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Lightning Knight posted:We probably shouldn't wish death on him until after the election...
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Clinton is going to carbonite all her enemies and make sure they all live and see their GOP nightmares come true.
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Oct 5, 2016 08:23
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Here's a round up of Tweets on the debate
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Oct 5, 2016 08:23
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Here's a map using 538's prediction for each state and drawing a line at 60% and 80% odds: http://www.270towin.com/maps/1lrVl Looking pretty good. No post-VP debate polls yet though (lol) Yes, Arizona currently seems about as likely to flip blue this year as Florida is to go red. (EDIT: this is using polls-only. The nowcast is for suckers.) Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 08:27
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https://twitter.com/mikegehrke/status/783500890829381633
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Oct 5, 2016 08:36
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This election truly is a referendum on 1984 style memory holes isn't it?
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Oct 5, 2016 08:36
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The worst part is now the Republicans get to declare that they were right to release that article declaring Pence the winner before the debate even started.
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Oct 5, 2016 08:39
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Dr Christmas posted:The worst part is now the Republicans get to declare that they were right to release that article declaring Pence the winner before the debate even started. Ehh it's really a wash. Mike Pence won this debate. He did very well. But Donald Trump he was one of the losers in this debate. His VP literally would not defend him. Edit: Mike Pence's career was the real clear uncontested winner in tonight's debate. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 08:59
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The narrative is already changing on the debate. People are cottoning onto the fact that Pence spent a whole lot of time lying about Trump, which is already getting airplay. People are already talking about how Trump is likely angry at Pence for his performance. It's looking like a loss in the moment but a win for the week. The only people who watch the VP debates are the junkiest pol junkies. Everyone else is going to get this debate in bite sized chunks, where the interruptions wont be played for lack of good soundbites. On the other hand, Pence is going to look absolutely awful pleading amnesia when contrasted with the clips of all the various things he denies Trump said.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:00
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remusclaw posted:The narrative is already changing on the debate. People are cottoning onto the fact that Pence spent a whole lot of time lying about Trump, which is already getting airplay. People are already talking about how Trump is likely angry at Pence for his performance. It's looking like a loss in the moment but a win for the week. It's vice versa, really: Pence won the debate, but lost the week for the Trump campaign. remusclaw posted:The only people who watch the VP debates are the junkiest pol junkies. Everyone else is going to get this debate in bite sized chunks, where the interruptions wont be played for lack of good soundbites. On the other hand, Pence is going to look absolutely awful pleading amnesia when contrasted with the clips of all the various things he denies Trump said. The Dems pretty much counted on this and the latest ads are about Trump being so toxic that his own VP denies him.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:06
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"Pence won but Trump lost" is the sort of clever-sounding thing journos love, that's going to be the takeaway and Trump's going to be mad again.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:06
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Young Freud posted:It's vice versa, really: Pence won the debate, but lost the week for the Trump campaign. That is what I meant. Thank you for making it clear that I was anything but.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:09
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Can't wait to hear Fox News trying to sell the idea that the election is REALLY about getting a good VP.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:09
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Angry Trump the best Trump.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:09
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Yeah, I was a little worried about Kaine's constant interruptions sending the Decorum Police into a tizzy, and while that did happen briefly, it looks like the bigger issue was Pence's utterly lovely defense for Trump. Furthermore, all the reports say that Trump is pissed, and we all know what happens when you make Trump angry. edit: and as an added bonus, it's going to be great to see Pence spending the next week defending everything he refused to defend at the debate. Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 09:10
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That is definitely what I was trying to get at. Kaine was the loser as of an hour after the debate. Now, several hours later, it seems we were wrong and he won after all.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:12
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Epic High Five posted:That passage Kaine quoted at Pence was a dagger in the side of someone evangelical who would know the rest of the quote, and his response being "oh lol that mexican thing again" was pretty bad That's good poo poo: https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke%206%3A45 A good tree does not bear rotten fruit, nor does a rotten tree bear good fruit. For every tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not pick figs from thornbushes, nor do they gather grapes from brambles. A good person out of the store of goodness in his heart produces good, but an evil person out of a store of evil produces evil; for from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:13
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Wait, wait, wait. I think I misunderstood the reasons for Trump's rage. I thought he was pissed that Pence didn't do a good job of defending him. But what he actually seems to be pissed off at is that Pence is getting better post debate coverage than Trump himself did?
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Oct 5, 2016 09:30
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, wait, wait.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:34
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, wait, wait. Yes. To both.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:36
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Also LOL at Pence falling for Donnie's shadow prez con. Like it's dictator 101 to pretend to delegate/give power to minions, but make an environment where they all backstab each other and defer to you for everything.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:41
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PhazonLink posted:Also LOL at Pence falling for Donnie's shadow prez con. Pence didn't fall for poo poo. This was the launch of Pence '20.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:46
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Looks like #thatmexicanthing is still trending 7 hours after debate, so I would chalk that as a good guys win.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:50
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Bassetking posted:Pence didn't fall for poo poo. This was the launch of Pence '20. Nothing like launching your campaign with obvious lies that can be played over and over again in perpetuity alongside the evidence. But hey, who knows, maybe the evangelicals embrace cloning over the next few years and repopulate themselves enough to sweep Pence to victory!
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Oct 5, 2016 09:50
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remusclaw posted:Nothing like launching your campaign with obvious lies that can be played over and over again in perpetuity alongside the evidence. But hey, who knows, maybe the evangelicals embrace cloning over the next few years and repopulate themselves enough to sweep Pence to victory! Pence's performance was a masterful move in getting the establishment republicans on his side while making himself likeable and a known face to the Trumpster base. And he probably succeeded. At least with the establishment. Any politician worth his or her paycheck knows 2016 is Hillary's victory barring something unpredictable happening. People won't care about the lies, just he looked far more presidential than Trump ever did. Mike Pence was protecting his future career.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:52
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The Trumpster base is apparently cross with him over his Putin comments. Pence is the very model of an far right evangelical, a group so worthless and depleted now that they couldn't even get their guy through the primaries. With all the absolute poo poo on his record, what with fetal funerals and all, he is a prime candidate to be a tomato can in 4 years. You couldn't ask for a better opponent, except possibly another attempt by Trump.
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Oct 5, 2016 09:57
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Bassetking posted:Pence didn't fall for poo poo. This was the launch of Pence '20. This is the last thing that also makes Trump mad. Only he gets to waste other people's time to shill a personal brand.  canepazzo posted:Looks like #thatmexicanthing is still trending 7 hours after debate, so I would chalk that as a good guys win. Yesss, open the blood gates. ~strokes Bond villain kitty~
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Oct 5, 2016 10:00
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remusclaw posted:The Trumpster base is apparently cross with him over his Putin comments. Pence is the very model of an far right evangelical, a group so worthless and depleted now that they couldn't even get their guy through the primaries. With all the absolute poo poo on his record, what with fetal funerals and all, he is a prime candidate to be a tomato can in 4 years. You couldn't ask for a better opponent, except possibly another attempt by Trump. I didn't say it was a GOOD plan. I only said that it was HIS plan.
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Oct 5, 2016 10:01
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remusclaw posted:The Trumpster base is apparently cross with him over his Putin comments. Pence is the very model of an far right evangelical, a group so worthless and depleted now that they couldn't even get their guy through the primaries. With all the absolute poo poo on his record, what with fetal funerals and all, he is a prime candidate to be a tomato can in 4 years. You couldn't ask for a better opponent, except possibly another attempt by Trump. Pence's career has shown that he never lets little things like most people hating what he thinks get in the way of gathering more power. So long as he has Trump to compare himself to, he figures that he can shine hard enough that the GOP will latch onto him.
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Oct 5, 2016 10:09
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Maybe him and Cruz will thunder dome in 20'.
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Oct 5, 2016 10:14
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Geostomp posted:Pence's career has shown that he never lets little things like most people hating what he thinks get in the way of gathering more power. So long as he has Trump to compare himself to, he figures that he can shine hard enough that the GOP will latch onto him. If Trump managed to lower expectations so much that 4 years from now, a conventionally terrible republican has a shot solely on the basis that he isn't Trump, things could get ugly. But demographics should likely do a decent job of protecting us from that, as while the white male conservative voters will forgive and forget, minority groups and women will not, and they will be even stronger than they are now as a voting bloc. That's not to say you are wrong. Pence likely comes out of this with a better look than he had going in, though I wouldn't necessarily bet on it. Trump seems to be a career killer for Republicans, and I would have sworn Cruz was getting out of this cycle smelling like roses as compared to the rest of the party and he basically committed suicide by endorsement. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 10:16
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remusclaw posted:If Trump managed to lower expectations so much that 4 years from now, a conventionally terrible republican has a shot solely on the basis that he isn't Trump, things could get ugly. But demographics should likely do a decent job of protecting us from that, as while the white male conservative voters will forgive and forget, minority groups and women will not, and they will be even stronger than they are now as a voting bloc. I think it'll be a mixed bag. "Independents" and moderates will love them some not-Trump "sensible, compassionate" establishment conservatism to cut some taxes and deregulate some business without being a crazy racist or religious nut. Conversely, I think the base will throw a tantrum at anything not approaching Hitler in terms of messaging and fight a primary war over which group gets control. The party better do a good job of writing the rules so that only they can win. Edit: basically I'm going to reach forward in time and take a wild guess at a Cruz/Kaisch/David Duke three way split for who is most likely to take the nomination. 
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Oct 5, 2016 10:18
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remusclaw posted:If Trump managed to lower expectations so much that 4 years from now, a conventionally terrible republican has a shot solely on the basis that he isn't Trump, things could get ugly. But demographics should likely do a decent job of protecting us from that, as while the white male conservative voters will forgive and forget, minority groups and women will not, and they will be even stronger than they are now as a voting bloc. You have to realize that if absolutely everyone endorses Trump it doesn't matter. At least among republicans they won't be able to point to their fellow and say, "I didn't endorse Trump, but he did". Kasich is the only moderately sized name out there left that rejected Trump. By forcing Cruz to kiss the ring they take a powerful moral card out of his hands come 2020 if Trump loses because his specter will remain. In short, Cruz was both made to concede to back the party and humiliated by endorsing him in order to spike his wheel in 2020. Or at least that's my guess. His disgrace was thorough.
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Oct 5, 2016 11:21
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Kasich is just a milder, more Grandpa-y Pence by the way.
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Oct 5, 2016 11:23
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I think the people on this board are overvaluing the effect of Cruz's ring-kissing. After 4 years of HRC and 12 years without an R in the White House I doubt anyone on the R side will give a poo poo about purity tests.
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Oct 5, 2016 11:24
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Barbe Rouge posted:I think the people on this board are overvaluing the effect of Cruz's ring-kissing. After 4 years of HRC and 12 years without an R in the White House I doubt anyone on the R side will give a poo poo about purity tests. The right is pretty much entirely about purity tests at this point.
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Oct 5, 2016 11:25
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Barbe Rouge posted:I think the people on this board are overvaluing the effect of Cruz's ring-kissing. After 4 years of HRC and 12 years without an R in the White House I doubt anyone on the R side will give a poo poo about purity tests. Yes they will. That's why we got Trump in the first place.
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Oct 5, 2016 11:26
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Sorry to ask but I didn't catch the debate or the aftermath can someone give me a quick rundown on what happened, TIA.
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Oct 5, 2016 11:42
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Axetrain posted:Sorry to ask but I didn't catch the debate or the aftermath can someone give me a quick rundown on what happened, TIA. Pence did pretty well by pretending that he was VP for Romney instead of Trump. Forcefully arguing for GOP orthodoxy, especially in foreign policy with regards to Russia, and totally refusing to defend Trump's more outrageous statements.He deflected or spun them as either straight up not happening or being a product of Trump bein an unpolished politician whom the media is misinterpreting in the worst light. Basically he threw Trump under the bus to win thr debate and launch Pence 2020 and the Donald is pissed. Kaine was overagressive, interupting constantly and a bit befuddled by Pence's smoothly blatant lies. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Yes they will. That's why we got Trump in the first place. How? I think he fails every single R purity test you can think of. All he does is dogwhistle and rile up the base.
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