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Cigar Aficionado posted:'16 will be just like '12. in 2012, Paul Ryan initially seemed to have done a bit better by lying his rear end off and seeming nice to Biden's aggressiveness, but in the long run, we remember Biden winning the debate. Same with 2016. Pence seemed to do better because he could sell cigarettes to children with a smile on his face, but in the long run he lost. Hung his running mate out to dry, lied his rear end off, provided the Dems with good attack ad material. And Hurricane Matthew is gonna wipe this completely off the media The US hasn't had a huge hurricane in a while, so I think a lot of us have forgotten how much moist CNN gets over them It'll be endless clips of reporters trying to stand up in 100 mph winds
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I was in a food coma for a few hours, but I like that Donnie firing and replacing his VP with his daughter he wants to gently caress is now a slightly higher non-zero chance. Though I still want the (3rd) campaign staff shakeup to happen.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:04
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Clinton team already putting out "Pence: Trump didn't say those things he said" style articles on their FB page, so I imagine they'll have that in video from by tomorrow.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:06
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At some point, the moderator just should have moved on to domestic issues. And I mean early on. The foreign policy questions are always going to suck, because the average person has no idea what these issues are and doesn't actually care about them. You don't get a lot of time with the vice presidential candidates, and they are not really the commander-in-chief. At that point, people just want to know some fluffy platform poo poo. Be like, hey, we are the Democrats, our administration gave you gay marriage. We are all happy about that now, right? And have the Republicans be like, hey, remember needle exchange programs, we hate those. We want all the poor to die.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:08
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A few pages back but the url to https://www.thatmexicanthing.com has this on the page. Tim Kaine button pack. It's perfect.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:09
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In the Nothing Matters election I suspect the VP debate which never matters will matter even less. The broomcloset of history, indeed.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:11
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If you missed the debate, Stephen Colbert made it slightly more palatable: https://www.facebook.com/colbertlateshow/videos/953213141490104/
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Oct 5, 2016 06:12
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PhazonLink posted:I was in a food coma for a few hours, but I like that Donnie firing and replacing his VP with his daughter he wants to gently caress is now a slightly higher non-zero chance. "thomas eaglewho?"
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PhazonLink posted:I was in a food coma for a few hours, but I like that Donnie firing and replacing his VP with his daughter he wants to gently caress is now a slightly higher non-zero chance. The chaos would be fun, but it'll actually always be a zero chance because remember, the VP is also technically a nominated position by the RNC.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:26
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TheGreatGnocchi posted:Absolutely not. By the time the VP debates happened, our economy was already plunging into recession due to economic policies passed down by Republicans. McCain was gasping for air at that point. Additionally, Sarah Palin was seen as "folksy" and "charming" and many polls saw her as equal or even beating Biden in the debate. So try again before pulling bullshit out of your rear end. Yeah a lot of people watched Biden/Palin mainly to see if Sarah would end up lighting the podium on fire or something, but it was ultimately a sideshow.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:30
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As a follow-up on this, if you go to the Regan Battalion twitter, you see follow-up tweets that make this seem more and more like a hoax.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:31
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berserker posted:The chaos would be fun, but it'll actually always be a zero chance because remember, the VP is also technically a nominated position by the RNC. It's not unprecedented for a VP candidate to drop out after the convention, McGovern's running mate Thomas Eagleton dropped out of the race in 1972 after his history of mental illness was exposed in the press. But that (among a whole lot of other things, including the literal Watergate break-in) helped sink the Democratic ticket in 1972.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:32
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Covok posted:As a follow-up on this, if you go to the Regan Battalion twitter, you see follow-up tweets that make this seem more and more like a hoax. Nooo I need this kind of own-goal in my life.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:34
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Oct 5, 2016 06:35
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lozzle posted:Nooo I need this kind of own-goal in my life. Well, it does seem like other people are tweeting a similar story. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/783514764249034754 So, there is that. But, the stuff The Reagan Battlion is saying is just too hyperbolish to be true. Stuff like claiming he said "Melania was right" and banging a table sounds like too much for just some anonymous source.
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Oct 5, 2016 06:36
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Oct 5, 2016 06:47
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That passage Kaine quoted at Pence was a dagger in the side of someone evangelical who would know the rest of the quote, and his response being "oh lol that mexican thing again" was pretty bad
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Oct 5, 2016 06:50
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I'm watching the VP debate now and uh, wow, is it a shitshow like this the entire time?
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Oct 5, 2016 06:51
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Epic High Five posted:That passage Kaine quoted at Pence was a dagger in the side of someone evangelical who would know the rest of the quote, and his response being "oh lol that mexican thing again" was pretty bad That's implying that evangelicals have read and/or give a poo poo about the text of the Bible
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Oct 5, 2016 06:52
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:That's implying that evangelicals have read and/or give a poo poo about the text of the Bible Pence probably has his reaction to the line certainly made me think he at least knows enough to know that passage
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm watching the VP debate now and uh, wow, is it a shitshow like this the entire time? Yeah
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Oct 5, 2016 06:53
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:That's implying that evangelicals have read and/or give a poo poo about the text of the Bible In my experience evangelicals tend to know the text of the bible much better than Catholics. Their skill in exegesis tends to be much worse, but they certainly know the words.
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The analysis I'd seen (on ABC I think?) seems to agree with a lot of what the thread's saying. Pence came ahead on style, and Kaine didn't do that well for himself. However they point out that Kaine kind-of did his job as VP because, although he loses personally, the campaign comes out ahead. Especially now that it's been pointed out that there's plenty of room for news and ads to replay "Mike Pence denied Trump said this, but here's Trump saying this exact thing." And if it turns out that Pence winning personally by dodging on Trump instead pissed off the narcissist? Yikes. So, one of those "minor tactical loss but solid strategic win" things. vyelkin posted:Apparently the only thing one of my liberal friends on facebook took away from this debate is that Tim Kaine is pro-life. Pages late, but as has been pointed out, your friend is kind-of right. Except Tim Kaine is that kind of "pro-life" who responds to "Actually, pro-life would be against the death penalty" with "Yeah, I completely agree!" and "Actually, proper sex-ed is better than abstinence-only ed in reducing abortions" with "Oh my gosh, really? Thanks! I'll change my position on it going forward."
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Oct 5, 2016 07:01
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Ogmius815 posted:In my experience evangelicals tend to know the text of the bible much better than Catholics. Their skill in exegesis tends to be much worse, but they certainly know the words. In my experience their ability to care about the text is not quite as good though. See: their support for Donald Trump
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https://twitter.com/YohanaDesta/status/783417823456526344 This is from earlier but I don't recall seeing it up thread.
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lozzle posted:In my experience their ability to care about the text is not quite as good though. Supply side Jesus says otherwise.
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FAUXTON posted:https://twitter.com/YohanaDesta/status/783417823456526344  
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Epic High Five posted:That passage Kaine quoted at Pence was a dagger in the side of someone evangelical who would know the rest of the quote, and his response being "oh lol that mexican thing again" was pretty bad The evangelical right doesn't give a drat about the bible beyond selectively quoting passages to suit their prosperity gospel-driven apostasy.
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Oct 5, 2016 07:39
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vyelkin posted:Apparently the only thing one of my liberal friends on facebook took away from this debate is that Tim Kaine is pro-life. Link them to this: https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections/candidates/president/tim-kaine 100% voter rating from Planned Parenthood.
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Psawhn posted:Pages late, but as has been pointed out, your friend is kind-of right. Except Tim Kaine is that kind of "pro-life" who responds to "Actually, pro-life would be against the death penalty" with "Yeah, I completely agree!" and "Actually, proper sex-ed is better than abstinence-only ed in reducing abortions" with "Oh my gosh, really? Thanks! I'll change my position on it going forward." As others have probably already mentioned, Kaine's a Jesuit-educated Catholic. You can probably bet that he's leagues more socially, economically, and really every kind of progressive than top of ticket. Whether he personally believes in the Church's stance on abortion is anyone's guess, but we know his public policy stance on it is party line at worst. Nothing to worry about from Tim everyone's-dad-Kaine.
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Oct 5, 2016 07:49
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The Glumslinger posted:Thats the good stuff I think that's going to be the post-debate take away. If Pence were at the top of the ticket, his strategy of Romney lying the whole time would have worked.
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The Glumslinger posted:And Hurricane Matthew is gonna wipe this completely off the media Don't forget that the Town Hall debate is five days away as well.
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Oct 5, 2016 07:59
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Lightning Knight posted:I have no clue, I was just spitballing. The props not being allowed thing is also a good reason. Reminder that Trump is just as old and feeble as McCain was when he ran. Trump is also a lot fatter, making it more likely that he'd die while in office. VP debates still don't matter much, though
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Ogmius815 posted:In my experience evangelicals tend to know the text of the bible much better than Catholics. Their skill in exegesis tends to be much worse, but they certainly know the words. I would argue that exegesis is much more important than knowing the words verbatim. They're loving translated texts anyway, who gives a poo poo
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QuarkJets posted:Reminder that Trump is just as old and feeble as McCain was when he ran. Trump is also a lot fatter, making it more likely that he'd die while in office. I'd say McCain was in worse shape what with being a cancer survivor and all.
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QuarkJets posted:Reminder that Trump is just as old and feeble as McCain was when he ran. Trump is also a lot fatter, making it more likely that he'd die while in office. It's really not that likely. The life expectancy for rich old dudes is actually pretty high. McCain dying in office would have actually made him a statistical outlier. Trump probably has another decade and a half in him.
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Trump is fat though. There's also talk of him abusing diet pills that are basically amphetamines, which would account for his manic late night shitposting. I hope he strokes out a little after his failure as a presidential candidate sinks in, sometime after inauguration.
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Oct 5, 2016 08:13
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:I'd say McCain was in worse shape what with being a cancer survivor and all. Trump looks like he's going to have a heart attack sometimes. Cancer is a big deal but heart disease is actually America's #1 killer
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Casimir Radon posted:Trump is fat though. There's also talk of him abusing diet pills that are basically amphetamines, which would account for his manic late night shitposting. I hope he strokes out a little after his failure as a presidential candidate sinks in, sometime after inauguration. We probably shouldn't wish death on him until after the election... but no really gently caress him
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QuarkJets posted:Trump looks like he's going to have a heart attack sometimes. Cancer is a big deal but heart disease is actually America's #1 killer This is very true. Heart disease is sort of preventable as far as being a fat gently caress and eating poo poo goes. If only we had some info about Trump's health not from Dr Oz like we do for other candidates... Ideally Trump would stroke out after hearing Fox call it for Hillary and him losing the ability to speak. drat I feel horrible after typing that.
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