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mcmagic posted:You're wrong. There was no actual teeth in the bill that would've given Congress authority over anything. It was pure grandstanding. The very idea of doing it is really dumb for the reasons I just mentioned. Wanting to politically influence the Fed is really, really dangerous.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hillary is more well liked among actual democrats than Sanders, so this is wrong. I still can't get over him knowing what will happen for a fact in 2018 if Hillary is elected. He KNOWS!
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hillary is more well liked among actual democrats than Sanders, so this is wrong. I said base voters, not democrats in general. Grassroots activists. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The very idea of doing it is really dumb for the reasons I just mentioned. Wanting to politically influence the Fed is really, really dangerous. Now who's moving the goalposts?
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mcmagic posted:It's very likely that you are right but we KNOW Hillary will not have base enthusiasm in 2018. Bernie might have had it, might not have, depending on how he governed. You think people may or may not like Bernie as a critical evaluation of how he governs, but people won't like Hillary no matter what. This says more about you than it says about Hillary or Bernie, friend.
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Pick posted:Huma for Supreme Court Bill for first laddy. Huma for first lady.
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Doctor Butts posted:He's been polling ahead for a while. I believe Trump has a chance to win Ohio. Pretty much agreed, but if Ohio is polling Clinton ahead consistently, any chance of Trump winning effectively evaporates. Florida is looking more and more solid for Clinton. Assuming the "eleven standard swing states" (meaning GA and AZ are going to Trump), Trump needs to sweep every one of those if Clinton takes VA, PA, and FL. If Clinton takes CO, NH+NV, WI, NC, MI, /or/ OH, she wins. Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:If Dems get 50 seats in the senate (+Kaine), would that be enough to get through all of Hillary's Supreme Court picks? or do they need a super majority? Rules are a simple majority. Also: https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/783723188370931712
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mcmagic posted:I said base voters, not democrats in general. Grassroots activists. Bernie's "Base" voters didn't even register to be Democrats.
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mcmagic posted:I said base voters, not democrats in general. Grassroots activists. Since when the gently caress are actual democrats not the actual base for democrats?
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Oct 5, 2016 18:45
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Pastrymancy posted:https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/783699028534067200 My fiance is Chinese and holy gently caress this set her off. It's so insanely racist and offensive that I cannot wrap my mind around how anyone could say otherwise. 
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mcmagic posted:Now who's moving the goalposts? I am not? I said that auditing the fed which at its core is a move to make the fed politically influenced is one of the dumbest ideas of the tea party.
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Pakled posted:Supreme Court appointments are by majority, not supermajority. Even a 50/50 split means we're getting a liberal justice.
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:If Dems get 50 seats in the senate (+Kaine), would that be enough to get through all of Hillary's Supreme Court picks? or do they need a super majority? only if she nominates hurricane matthew, it's going to destroy a lot but the damage will probably hit poor people the hardest so the republican senate should love that
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Lemming posted:You think people may or may not like Bernie as a critical evaluation of how he governs, but people won't like Hillary no matter what. No, I didn't say that at all. I said she wouldn't be able to drive out base turnout, not that they wouldn't like her. Obama wasn't able to and the base loves him.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:46
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/783715834543874048 But she won the nomination by a pretty solid margin! Most likely, she will win the general election and become president. The bulk of the population is not angry but docile and would prefer a president who will keep the banks afloat (and thus their checking accounts) and not cause any major disruptions. So like the Beidermeier period in Germany, when people turned inwards and focused on refining simple, utilitarian interior decorating styles. We even have IKEA for that now. It all catastrophically imploded in 1848, so we might be headed for a big kablooey. But I don't think we're there yet.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:47
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I am not? I said that auditing the fed which at its core is a move to make the fed politically influenced is one of the dumbest ideas of the tea party. And I'm saying that you are very dumb for equating this kind of show vote that is just political grandstanding to things like ending SSI or Medicare, National Right to Work or any number of other professed things the Tea Party wanted to do.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:48
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mcmagic posted:In a world where Bernie Sanders could win the presidency, he could keep his voters more mobilized than what we know is going to happen when Hillary wins. She's going to take office already being underwater with most of the democratic base and that isnt a great way to win midterms. But keep laughing because it's so funny. Obama had fantastic young people outreach, what happened in 2010? You're completely unable to separate how much you like Bernie from what would happen if he were the nominee, it's literally amazing
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mcmagic posted:And I'm saying that you are very dumb for equating this kind of show vote that is just political grandstanding to things like ending SSI or Medicare, National Right to Work or any number of other professed things the Tea Party wanted to do. I see you don't understand the importance of an independent central bank (or how telling voters that it needs to be politically controlled is bad.) Thanks for playing.
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On Terra Firma posted:My fiance is Chinese and holy gently caress this set her off. It's so insanely racist and offensive that I cannot wrap my mind around how anyone could say otherwise. Jesse Watters is a piece of poo poo, plain and simple. I'd call him a prick to his face if I ever saw him. Cue the usual groans, but Olbermann did a great bit (that I can't find, naturally) on Watters back when he had a show of his own and not a feature on GQ's YouTube channel 
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Oct 5, 2016 18:49
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I see you don't understand the importance of an independent central bank (or how telling voters that it needs to be politically controlled is bad.) Thanks for playing. I see you can't read that piece of legislation since it did nothing to actually undermine the FED any more than the political rhetoric around it the last 6 years has. The bill had literally nothing to it whatsoever.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:51
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Oct 5, 2016 18:51
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mcmagic posted:No, I didn't say that at all. I said she wouldn't be able to drive out base turnout, not that they wouldn't like her. Obama wasn't able to and the base loves him. In just the house Democrats fell off by about 2.5 million votes from 2006 in 2010. Republicans gained over 9 million votes from 2006 to 2010. That's way less of an issue with the democratic base not turning out (although young people that were enthusiastic for Obama left him at the alter in 2010) than it is for republicans being wiped into a frenzy over their hatred of Obama.
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A Winner is Jew posted:In just the house Democrats fell off by about 2.5 million votes from 2006 in 2010. And their hatred of Hillary will have the same effect in 2018 and there won't be democratic turnout to counteract it.
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mcmagic posted:You can personally attack me if you want but I don't see any one else defending his dumb statement. Isn't cheerleading still against the rules? You're wrong, by the way: letting this congress anywhere near the Fed is about as safe as hosting an arsonists convention in an active flour mill.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:53
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On Terra Firma posted:My fiance is Chinese and holy gently caress this set her off. It's so insanely racist and offensive that I cannot wrap my mind around how anyone could say otherwise. Alright, after reading this I finally took the bait and clicked play and yeah it's pretty racist. Of course, I'm not Asian so I don't take personal offense to it, but as a video editor I at least hated the vignette and editing. All I've ever seen of the O'reilly factor were clips of Bill spewing ignorance and hate though. I wasn't aware they also did these horrible on the street pieces.
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mcmagic posted:And their hatred of Hillary will have the same effect in 2018 and there won't be democratic turnout to counteract it. Hows that republican hatred of hillary working out for her right now?
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mcmagic posted:I see you can't read that piece of legislation since it did nothing to actually undermine the FED any more than the political rhetoric around it the last 6 years has. The bill had literally nothing to it whatsoever. This is the equivalent of going "I'm not touching you" while hovering your hand 2mm in front of someone's face.
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mcmagic posted:And their hatred of Hillary will have the same effect in 2018 and there won't be democratic turnout to counteract it. I almost posted this dumb thing before you did because I knew it was your response You're right, Bernie Sanders, who would not be on the ticket in 2018, would somehow magically inspire so much love that Democrats would have come out in record numbers to vote for people who weren't him. You don't live in reality edit: Seriously, what's the connection? Would they be inspired by his complete inability to get anything passed during his first two years? Would anti-semites cease to exist? If I grant you your (dumb) point about Sanders mobilizing people this year - in what way does that translate to them being mobilized in 2018?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Hows that republican hatred of hillary working out for her right now? The beauty of general elections vs midterms?
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If you're a leftist disappointed in Clinton you should be working to either 1) help with close Congressional and Senate races so that she doesn't have the opportunity to make ugly compromises with a GOP congress, 2) engage in direct action on behalf of a non-electoral pressure group like Black Lives Matter, Planned Parenthood, anti-war groups, etc, 3) unionize your workplace and those of others or 4) (editor's note: this is the best one that will help the US Left the most) shitpost about Bernie Sanders in USPol for days and days so we get to read Bi Now Gay Later, fishmech, and computer parts make the same posts they've been making for the past literal year.
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mcmagic posted:And their hatred of Hillary will have the same effect in 2018 and there won't be democratic turnout to counteract it. So you are in fact admitting that 2018 would be a repeat of 2010 even with Bernie.
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The whole audit the fed thing is kind of opaque because by now there have been so many different versions and amendments that it's hard to keep track. Generally speaking, auditing the fed is dumb but not necessarily damaging, but Audit the Fed (the bill) is super idiotic and every bit as bad as Bi Now Gay Later said. Originally the push for an audit came up because during the financial crisis it became clear that nobody had any real idea what was on the Fed's balance sheets. An audit would solve that, and... not do much besides. Then it became a bill (H.R. 24) which moved away from an inspection of the Fed's balance sheets to this:quote:The intent of this legislation is to allow Congress The keyword here is "accountability". H.R. 24 as proposed, with all the amendments (almost all, because this poo poo gets complicated once you look at all the proposed amendments) is super dangerous and would effectively put the fed unter political control. That's something you don't want to happen. The reasoning given in the house report on the bill is also full of misunderstandings of what it is the fed actually is supposed to do, which doesn't make this any better. An audit, in a vacuum, would not be a terrible thing. (It also wouldn't do much.) But the political effort known as Audit The Fed is idiotic and dangerous.
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mcmagic posted:I see you can't read that piece of legislation since it did nothing to actually undermine the FED any more than the political rhetoric around it the last 6 years has. The bill had literally nothing to it whatsoever. The basic premise of the bill is really loving dumb. At it's heart its literally questioning one of the key underpinnings for how the central bank and the economy works. It doesn't matter if it had "literally nothing to it." At it's very core it's a tremendously terrible idea and it's the kind of absolutely dumb poo poo that leads to government shutdowns over the loving debt ceiling. It's an incredibly dumb idea, like really loving dumb and it's part of a course of political thought that has been incredibly destructive to the nation. And guess who went along with it -- your boy, Alan Grayson.
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This entire thread knows that midterms tend to be awful for Democrats, and I can't imagine that that knowledge is limited to this thread only. So why are they still consistently awful? Does the DNC just not try hard enough? Do their GOTV and campaigning strategies just not work? Is congressional gerrymandering just that bad?
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computer parts posted:So you are in fact admitting that 2018 would be a repeat of 2010 even with Bernie. That is very likely. I think it's less likely with Bernie but we will never know.
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mcmagic posted:The beauty of general elections vs midterms? You mean the exact same issue that Sanders would have... except not because your magical fantasy land where Sanders wouldn't face massive opposition in the midterms from republicans since he's the sitting president is a loving magical fantasy land? A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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GalacticAcid posted:If you're a leftist disappointed in Clinton you should be working to either 1) help with close Congressional and Senate races so that she doesn't have the opportunity to make ugly compromises with a GOP congress, 2) engage in direct action on behalf of a non-electoral pressure group like Black Lives Matter, Planned Parenthood, anti-war groups, etc, 3) unionize your workplace and those of others or 4) (editor's note: this is the best one that will help the US Left the most) shitpost about Bernie Sanders in USPol for days and days so we get to read Bi Now Gay Later, fishmech, and computer parts make the same posts they've been making for the past literal year. Hey, I am willing to talk about other issues. BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:This entire thread knows that midterms tend to be awful for Democrats, and I can't imagine that that knowledge is limited to this thread only. Old people vote in every election, young people only care about presidential elections. That's basically the whole story. I bet a depressing amount of younger voters don't realize we have midterm elections.
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