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punk rebel ecks posted:During the primaries, one of the key arguments against voting for Bernie Sanders (at least with some) was that he would be too radical to get elected president. Clinton basically adopted his platform wholesale for the GE, so it's a moot point. But the advantage now is that because Clinton has positioned herself as a centrist for so long, adopting Sanders' platform is shifting the Overton window to the left by quite a bit.
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Apraxin posted:Lol, good job Donald: 
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Instant Sunrise posted:Clinton basically adopted his platform wholesale for the GE, so it's a moot point. I might need a source on that.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:20
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Instant Sunrise posted:Clinton basically adopted his platform wholesale for the GE, so it's a moot point. The entire primary fiasco between the two candidates really seems incredibly stupid today. Rodenthar Drothman posted:I might need a source on that. Wholesale? No. However, her rhetoric has changed significantly. Bernie himself complemented her.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:23
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I might need a source on that. Well, her college plan doesn't literally cover everyone but unless you're making six figures you won't pay that much.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:23
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Oh man that "why do people hate hillary" thread is a treasure
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Oct 6, 2016 01:26
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I might need a source on that. The platform promulgated at the DNC is the most progressive in the party's history, and encompasses a good 75% of what Bernie wanted. Also can we find out who Cheeto Benito's supposed friend who was supposedly murdered for mispronouncing
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BiohazrD posted:Oh man that "why do people hate hillary" thread is a treasure Welcome brother
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BiohazrD posted:Oh man that "why do people hate hillary" thread is a treasure Mel Mudkiper posted:Welcome brother We should start some kind of club.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:33
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punk rebel ecks posted:Wholesale? Yeah, that I know and saw. I'm intrigued by the "75%" estimation too. I know she brought some rhetoric on and adopted some of the stances, but thought she largely remained the same.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:35
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BiohazrD posted:Oh man that "why do people hate hillary" thread is a treasure using 'contempt' when they meant 'content' is what really makes your av for me.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:36
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lozzle posted:We should start some kind of club.  Dibs on Arn
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Oct 6, 2016 01:37
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radical meme posted:Rand Paul and Tim Scott; that's it. Lol Rand Paul.
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hey guys member this good times good times
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BiohazrD posted:Oh man that "why do people hate hillary" thread is a treasure I hope you're worth spending another $10 on to fix that grammar error.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:42
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I think Sanders would have lost. In the history of America as a nation, in the battle between socialism and nationalism among the working class, socialism has never won You must be from that alternate timeline where the subprime mortgage crisis never happened.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:45
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Freakazoid_ posted:You must be from that alternate timeline where the subprime mortgage crisis never happened. There are people who think that was because of excessive state intervention in the economy
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Freakazoid_ posted:You must be from that alternate timeline where the subprime mortgage crisis never happened. how did that make socialism a popular force among the working class?
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Oct 6, 2016 01:46
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Sanders would have given a lot of shitheads an excuse to vote Trump, but would also have turned out a lot of younger voters.
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I don't know how progressive Hillary is on the inside. It's just not something we can truly know, and honestly, I think pretty much every politician has one or two big issues they care about, a few small issues they have opinions about, and a bunch that they're ambivalent about and just follow the lead of the rest of the party. My gut feeling is that Clinton's #1 issue, the one that's near and dear to her heart, is destroying the Republican Party. So if Democrats who vote want progressive, she'll be progressive. If students might actually show up if she promises to do something about tuition, she'll make that an issue. I don't think it's impossible that she'll do some centrist stuff, but I think it will always be part of an agenda to dismantle the Republican Party.
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I know a lot of people have expressed concern that Trump might not concede if he loses but I thought of an even more absurd scenario - If, before the results even start being announced, he walks out onto the stage to the cheers of his huge election day crowd and starts giving a victory speech. I don't even know how Hillary and the Dems, Pence/Ryan/Priebus, and the media would react to that.
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Hodgepodge posted:Sanders would have given a lot of shitheads an excuse to vote Trump, but would also have turned out a lot of younger voters. It's really impossible to tell. Sanders put himself in a position where compromising on anything would likely have sent a chunk of his supporters spiraling out of control regardless, but the added youth and independent vote would have made up for it. The bigger question for me if he and his campaign team would have his poo poo together enough to capitalize on Trump. Trump certainly has done a lot of damage to himself, but Hillary and her election team have helped him along significantly. I don't know if everyone on Hillary's team now would be working with Bernie, or if they would have stayed home, or what. I don't think Bernie can goad and bait Trump the way Hillary can, and I don't know if he would have been able to provoke Trump into many of the mistakes he ultimately ended up making. I do know that a general election campaign run by Jeff Weaver would be a giant disaster, though, and given he couldn't even follow through on the one request his Our Revolution people had (please please please don't make us work with Jeff Weaver) he shoved him in there anyway and ruined the whole thing, I can't imagine him benching Weaver out for the general. It's all speculation, though. We have no way of knowing and never will, and at this point it's irrelevant.
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I legitimately think that Hillary Clinton's big issue is women's rights, which is totally toxic in today's political environment. If anything, I think this is why she seems so ambivalent about pretty much everything else in a political kind of way
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Yeah, that I know and saw. I'm intrigued by the "75%" estimation too. I know she brought some rhetoric on and adopted some of the stances, but thought she largely remained the same. That's because they aren't that far apart to begin with
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cult member at airport posted:I know a lot of people have expressed concern that Trump might not concede if he loses but I thought of an even more absurd scenario - If, before the results even start being announced, he walks out onto the stage to the cheers of his huge election day crowd and starts giving a victory speech. I don't even know how Hillary and the Dems, Pence/Ryan/Priebus, and the media would even react to that. If that happens and he loses it'll just be 'Dewey Defeats Truman' - 21st Century Edition.
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cult member at airport posted:I know a lot of people have expressed concern that Trump might not concede if he loses but I thought of an even more absurd scenario - If, before the results even start being announced, he walks out onto the stage to the cheers of his huge election day crowd and starts giving a victory speech. I don't even know how Hillary and the Dems, Pence/Ryan/Priebus, and the media would even react to that. Everyone laughs, Hillary dunks on him hardcore in the real victory speech, someone (probably Biden) cracks a premature ejaculation joke, Trump cements his place in history as a nutcase loser and America rides into the sunset.
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Oct 6, 2016 01:58
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Supercar Gautier posted:Everyone laughs, Hillary dunks on him hardcore in the real victory speech, someone (probably Biden) cracks a premature ejaculation joke, Trump cements his place in history as a nutcase loser and America rides into the sunset. Atlantic City is left a smoking ruin by the first electoral demonstration of the Chaos Dunk.
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Does Trumper get to choose the venue for that final speech? He should have it be that new hotel of his
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Lol noted alt-right Twitter spammer Ricky Vaughn (named after the character in Major League) got banned. He was infamous for ALWAYS being one of the first commenters on literally every single election related tweet because he definitely had some scripts running. Now the alt right Twitter brigade has "Free Ricky" trending at number 1 because they are a bunch of complete babies crying about their poor wittle hate speech being silenced. Ahahahanah Hopefully @assbott will survive the culling of scripted twitter.
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cult member at airport posted:I know a lot of people have expressed concern that Trump might not concede if he loses but I thought of an even more absurd scenario - If, before the results even start being announced, he walks out onto the stage to the cheers of his huge election day crowd and starts giving a victory speech. I don't even know how Hillary and the Dems, Pence/Ryan/Priebus, and the media would react to that. Romney was ready to do that in 2012, but was juuuust smart enough to wait for the results.
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Pick posted:Does Trumper get to choose the venue for that final speech? He should have it be that new hotel of his I'd laugh if he did a pouty faced look at the WH and just murmured something like "eh, mine's bigger anyway"
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Oct 6, 2016 02:05
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In my dream world Trump's concession speech would get zero media coverage at all. Then again, it would be a shame to lose the meltdown of the century to history.
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This is probably the harshest burn I've seen on Pence. Doubly so based on who wrote it."Matthew Yglesias posted:And I can tell you this about Mike Pence: he has no idea what he's talking about. The man is a fool, who deserves to be laughed at. He's almost stupid enough to work in cable television.
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Oct 6, 2016 02:10
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I just hope Clinton curbstomps him again. I'd like this wild ride to be over.
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I want Trump to make that victory speech and actually think he's the President for a full 2 terms, while his handlers just smile and nod.
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Oct 6, 2016 02:11
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Likely a few pages back, but Strickland is a poo poo candidate. Portman outflanked him by getting a handful of unions to endorse him, and Strickland responded by disparaging the unions in question. He also had a town hall forum in Cleveland back in August where he said out loud what lots of people post in this thread, that Scalia's death was a good thing for labor due to Friedrich's becoming 4-4. That got recorded by an attendee and went to all the Free Beacon / Red State / Breitbart sites. So if this is indeed true, what's the impact on the Dems' chances of seizing the Senate?
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Quorum posted:So if this is indeed true, what's the impact on the Dems' chances of seizing the Senate? 538 has it at 61.5% and a Strickland victory at 6.2%. So it's not helping but it's not the one thing standing in their way either
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I could easily see Trump refusing to concede while Preibus and the rest of the party desperately try to make it clear that they accept the results.
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Maybe he'll buy an island somewhere and declare himself god-emperor. The island would probably be bankrupt and on fire by the end of the week, but he'd be the leader, drat it
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Yeah, that I know and saw. I'm intrigued by the "75%" estimation too. I know she brought some rhetoric on and adopted some of the stances, but thought she largely remained the same. "75%" is too extreme. But I'd say 50% is accurate looking at the bigger picture. Aerox posted:It's really impossible to tell. Sanders put himself in a position where compromising on anything would likely have sent a chunk of his supporters spiraling out of control regardless, but the added youth and independent vote would have made up for it. Trump hurts himself the most. Hillary is essentially a world class boxer fighting mental patient who continues to stab themselves over and over again.
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