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mcmagic posted:Why does it matter than white people are driving her unpopularity? It doesn't matter a whole lot but it looks bad when you just get the topline average without the context of it being dragged down by racists.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:22
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mcmagic posted:Why does it matter than white people are driving her unpopularity? So your argument is "literally only white people matter." Gotcha.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:23
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DICKS FOR DINNER posted:Ted Cruz is a loving calamity-bringer to Trump's campaign. He gives that weird "vote your conscience" speech at the RNC and like a week later, Trump gets into a fight with gold star parents, then he sorta-semi endorses Trump without specifically naming him and then the debates happen and Trump polymorphs into a corncob. He is bad luck weaponized. The sense I get from Cruz is that he's a very good backroom knife fighter when it comes to regulations, rules, and parliamentary procedure, but he's *terrible* at reading people and situations and so tends to make tremendous mistakes.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:23
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Artificer posted:Evangelical Asians for one don't care about the xenophobia. So once again evangelicals are the worst. They also latch onto prosperity gospel stuff on the economic issues and are very fygm. But a subset of those people really care about maintaining public school quality so are somewhat more flexible on down ballot races.
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Eifert Posting posted:Is there a way to melt a website down and inject it into your veins? 538 right now. Unf. 75% polls plus and nearly 80 polls only? 
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Oct 6, 2016 16:23
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If Trump gets corncobbed as hard at debate 2 as he did at 1, it's over. I hope and pray Hillary pulls it off just as well. Or better.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:25
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FAUXTON posted:It doesn't matter a whole lot but it looks bad when you just get the topline average without the context of it being dragged down by racists. You aren't going to get an argument from me about how terrible while people in this country are but I have a hard time believing that her unpopularity is driven by racism rather than by 30 years in the public eye being hammered for scandal after scandal no matter how valid they are.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:26
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He looks soooo sad and it feels sooooooooo gooooooddddd.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:30
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:75% polls plus and nearly 80 polls only? I would ignore the gently caress out of polls plus, as it has stupid poo poo baked into it like "This will be a normal election and both sides will run roughly equivalent campaigns."
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Oct 6, 2016 16:30
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mcmagic posted:You aren't going to get an argument from me about how terrible while people in this country are but I have a hard time believing that her unpopularity is driven by racism rather than by 30 years in the public eye being hammered for scandal after scandal no matter how valid they are. If this were true, wouldn't you expect it to be reflected in literally any other demographic?
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Oct 6, 2016 16:31
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WampaLord posted:I would ignore the gently caress out of polls plus, as it has stupid poo poo baked into it like "This will be a normal election and both sides will run roughly equivalent campaigns." Yeah, remember the hyper accurate predictions he made 4 years ago were from Polls-Only Polls-Plus is a new one for this election
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Oct 6, 2016 16:32
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lozzle posted:If this were true, wouldn't you expect it to be reflected in literally any other demographic? It doesn't have to be reflected in any other demographic in order to have an effect on the outcome of the election. Whites are the largest demographic.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:33
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Ohio is blue? Arizona still has a chance of flipping this late in the game? 
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Oct 6, 2016 16:34
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Night10194 posted:The sense I get from Cruz is that he's a very good backroom knife fighter when it comes to regulations, rules, and parliamentary procedure, but he's *terrible* at reading people and situations and so tends to make tremendous mistakes. He's basically Evil Hillary. There's a certain kind of politician who is very good "at politics" but doesn't actually understand people at all. Trump is the exact opposite, he "gets" people but he'd fail a 10th grade civics class.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:35
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mcmagic posted:It doesn't have to be reflected in any other demographic in order to have an effect on the outcome of the election. Whites are the largest demographic. That doesn't explain how it isn't racism.
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Cythereal posted:Asian-Americans don't have the same experience in the modern US that African-Americans, Latin-Americans, and Middle Eastern-Americans do. In the modern political climate they're virtually honorary white people by and large, though there are exceptions like that ad from the other day. Except in Hollywood
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Guy Farting posted:This is just not true. Literally the above poll re Hilary/Trump favorables argues against this. Fox News just ran a super racist otherizing anti Asian "comedy" segment on national TV yesterday. It's untrue as a whole and it's dismissive to suggest this. Not to mention that Asians voted more democratic than Hispanics in 2012. Asians tend to be high on family values, but they also tend to be very pro gun control and outside of the evangelical block, very pro-choice.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:36
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And like Hispanics, Asians are a very diverse group of people we tend to toss into a single demographic.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:37
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hiddenriverninja posted:Except in Hollywood To be fair Hollywood discriminates on everything. Age/Sex/Nationality/Weight You name it Hollywood discriminates against it.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:37
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Did anyone watch the California Senate debate yesterday? Harris ran circles around Sanchez... And this happened. https://twitter.com/philwillon/status/783874781665865729
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Oct 6, 2016 16:38
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ImpAtom posted:That doesn't explain how it isn't racism. I mean it makes no logical sense that it would be racism but sure. What are they racist against Methodists?
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Oct 6, 2016 16:38
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WampaLord posted:No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm actually a pretty big fan of when someone posts a tweet that's a snarky comment on a tweet that links to an article which is the actual thing they wanted to post
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Oct 6, 2016 16:39
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Pick posted:He's basically Evil Hillary. There's a certain kind of politician who is very good "at politics" but doesn't actually understand people at all. Trump is the exact opposite, he "gets" people but he'd fail a 10th grade civics class. Hillary doesn't fail to understand people, she's just a dork. Not having the same social skills as others doesn't imply a lack of empathy.
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I hope these polls showing doom for  translate to the senate. Losing Harry Reid's seat in this one is unacceptable. Dems HAVE to gain as much as possible and losing even one seat really nerfs it for them.That is my daily  and 
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mcmagic posted:I mean it makes no logical sense that it would be racism but sure. What are they racist against Methodists? "I am voting for Donald Trump because I am racist and scared and Hillary Clinton is my enemy." The Clinton campaign scandals seem to have the largest impact on people looking for an excuse rather than being the thing that drives them.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:40
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ImpAtom posted:So your argument is "literally only white people matter." Gotcha. Jesus christ.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:41
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Lightning Knight posted:Hillary doesn't fail to understand people, she's just a dork. Not having the same social skills as others doesn't imply a lack of empathy. Really, connecting with individual people seems to be one of her strongest points. She's just weaker at connecting with a crowd, like Bill can.
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Lightning Knight posted:Hillary doesn't fail to understand people, she's just a dork. Not having the same social skills as others doesn't imply a lack of empathy. The lack of empathy is what makes Cruz the evil one. Obviously Hillary is going to do fine in a one-on-one because she is a kind person. Neither one of them has a knack for the optics of politics though, they're both exceptional at the actual workings of the system. They're both dorks, Cruz is just the dork from hell.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:42
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Periodiko posted:Jesus christ. This is the same guy who won't shut up about Hillary's unfavorables and how it means everyone hates her and we should have elected Bernie. So it's hard not to take what he said as that because it has been the central thesis of his argument for a while.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:42
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ImpAtom posted:"I am voting for Donald Trump because I am racist and scared and Hillary Clinton is my enemy." I can see that affecting head to head polling but the bankshot to personal popularity is a giant leap that makes no sense.
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Oct 6, 2016 16:43
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Pick posted:He looks soooo sad and it feels sooooooooo gooooooddddd. In fairness, that's just his face. It's turned down at the sides for some reason.
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WampaLord posted:Really, connecting with individual people seems to be one of her strongest points. She's just weaker at connecting with a crowd, like Bill can. Exactly. Public speaking and charisma are secondary skills in government. Those are for getting elected, not making and enforcing law. Pick posted:The lack of empathy is what makes Cruz the evil one. Obviously Hillary is going to do fine in a one-on-one because she is a kind person. Hillary is a dork. Cruz is a sociopath.
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ImpAtom posted:This is the same guy who won't shut up about Hillary's unfavorables and how it means everyone hates her and we should have elected Bernie. So it's hard not to take what he said as that because it has been the central thesis of his argument for a while. The logical leap you needed to take to get to this is pretty impressive.
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cult member at airport posted:Did anyone watch the California Senate debate yesterday? Harris ran circles around Sanchez... And this happened. Is this an actual Phoenix Wright breakdown?
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cult member at airport posted:Did anyone watch the California Senate debate yesterday? Harris ran circles around Sanchez... And this happened. Holy poo poo she's a Kamen Rider 
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WampaLord posted:Really, connecting with individual people seems to be one of her strongest points. She's just weaker at connecting with a crowd, like Bill can. Also, I'd call her wary rather than secretive. She knows anything she does is going to be turned into some insane conspiracy theory and while she's tough enough not to break down, articles like that one where she thought they were suggesting she was a dogfucker and broke into tears in private show it still hurts her to have to deal with it. So when she's with a big crowd being reported on directly I can't imagine that doesn't make her a bit more hesitant. Add to that that she has to walk a fine line between appearing tough and competent but not 'shrill' (just look at Sam B's bit on the debate advice/reviews about smile more, don't smile so much, keep an even tone, show passion, no too robotic, etc) and she's on a tightrope in every major public appearance. That has to make reading the crowd directly and firing them up harder.
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mcmagic posted:The logical leap you needed to take to get to this is pretty impressive. I mean, you also think that fraud and domestic abuse aren't important in a congressional election. Your standards are bizarre and bad.
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mcmagic posted:I can see that affecting head to head polling but the bankshot to personal popularity is a giant leap that makes no sense. mcmagic posted:The logical leap you needed to take to get to this is pretty impressive. You sure seem to like to retreat back to the "giant leap" phrasing every time someone calls you on something.
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ImpAtom posted:You sure seem to like to retreat back to the "giant leap" phrasing every time someone calls you on something. The things you are "calling me on" bare no resemblance to ANYTHING i said and are pretty much only in your mind. Lightning Knight posted:I mean, you also think that fraud and domestic abuse aren't important in a congressional election. Your standards are bizarre and bad. Yeah, another thing I didn't say. Those sound like legal issues, were they any charges pressed? Was police involved?
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