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Lightning Knight posted:Hm. I wonder if a liberal court could change that. Frankly it's unlikely. Off the top of my head Ginsburg has written opinions (notably Untied States v. Virginia, regarding VMI being male-only) based on intermediate scrutiny for gender delineation under the 14th, without the usual hint-dropping that comes along with a certain wing of the court looking for an avenue to do something.
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Evangelicals get into that stuff because they are misogynistic and want to punish women for having sex not stop abortions. It's like how they didn't really give a poo poo about politics until desegregation started and suddenly whites and blacks in the same school was an affront to their religious beliefs and they needed to vote for politicians pushing against it.
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Radish posted:This guy is worse than that rear end in a top hat who said class warfare against the rich is like the Holocaust since he's responsible for killing 29 people and whining about a year sentence for that. If it makes you feel better, Fortune has an article by Gary Johnson titled "What Clinton and Trump Won't Tell You About Entitlements". I can only hope there is a counter article titled "What Johnson Won't Tell You About Anything That Can Be Found On A Map".
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JohnCompany posted:Frankly it's unlikely. Off the top of my head Ginsburg has written opinions (notably Untied States v. Virginia, regarding VMI being male-only) based on intermediate scrutiny for gender delineation under the 14th, without the usual hint-dropping that comes along with a certain wing of the court looking for an avenue to do something. That's thoroughly unfortunate. Shows me for being optimistic about the 14th, I guess. It makes a certain degree of sense considering the context it was ratified in, but I feel like the literal text of the amendment should support much stronger anti-discrimination initiatives than it does. 
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Carter's career before politics was as a nuclear engineer in the Navy, and it showed style of governance. He'd get super involved into specific policy details, and when the time came to start making deals he would refuse to budge on anything. One of the big things that came up right in the first few months of his Presidency was a big bill for water projects-Carter had campaigned against pork barrel spending, thought it was all a bunch of useless waste, and was completely against it. But it was incredibly popular in the (Democratically controlled) Congress, since it brought a lot of money to a wide range of congressional districts. So of course, Carter vetoed it-and Congress overrode his veto, setting the pace for what would become an incredibly acrimonious relationship between Congress and the Presidency, similar in a few ways to what Obama's faced over the past few years. But while Congressional opposition to Obama has all been political expediency, when it came to Carter it was all almost purely out of spite. To follow up on this - Tip O'Neill (who was Speaker of the House when Carter was President) has nothing good to say about Carter and his staff in his memoirs, lamenting about how Carter assumed he could just intimidate Congress into going along with his direction just because he was the President, and that even Reagan treated O'Neill with more respect and coordination than Carter ever did. As another example - in 1978, Carter proposed a massive energy bill that would have seriously put more effort into renewable sources and put more taxes into oil producers. As O'Neill tried to find compromises so that the Democrats could get it passed over Republican objections and a near unanimous opposition from the TX/LA/OK delegations, the Carter Adminsitration offered no help, and in fact every once in a while threw out suggested "good idea changes" that would wreck promises O'Neil had already made. In the end, O'Neill got it passed in the House, but it got filibustered in the Senate and the Carter administration agreed to let it die because they didn't like the compromises O'Neill had made.
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lozzle posted:You would need sex ed, which is apparently also a sin. Yeah, that's why I said I'm not sure how you'd make it happen. Anything attempting to explain sex to teenagers would get thrown out as "ungodly lies" to a certain type. I know I believed Plan B was abortive for years, but that's largely because even when it first came out and was heavily debated, nobody ever challenged it on that point when I saw it discussed. The morning after pill is ALWAYS presented as being an abortion issue and nobody ever stops and says "whoa, no, it doesn't work that way."
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lozzle posted:You would need sex ed, which is apparently also a sin. Tell me about it. My wife was fairly clueless about things when we got married and she went to school in Yorba Linda (yes the place were Nixon is buried)
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Lightning Knight posted:Ah yes, jazz, one of the most important foundational and vivid artistic movements in modern American culture, totally not legitimate music. Holy poo poo dude. i always like bringing up orchestral jazz whenever idiots start bagging on it that george gershwin isn't a legitimate musician and rhapsody in blue is just random notes also gives them the opening for some bonus antisemitism on top of the other racism
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i always like bringing up orchestral jazz whenever idiots start bagging on it Frankly I don't even enjoy traditional jazz, but holy poo poo it's like the foundation of everything good in modern American popular music, like what the gently caress. Like for real people aren't kidding when they say all the good music is because of black Americans.
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm fairly sure the only reason they're opposed to it is because women having sex outside marriage or otherwise possessing independent thinking and sexual agency are Not Good for evangelical social engineering. Specifically, Hobby Lobby's "religious objections" don't make any sense outside of it - they probably don't think people should drink to excess, either, but it's not like they didn't want cirrhosis covered. There's zero compatibility between Evangelical thought and no-pill-for-anyone outside of the misinformation campaign.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Tell me about it. 
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Yes, I imagine image hosters like tripod were one way that people got their sexual education
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Lightning Knight posted:Frankly I don't even enjoy traditional jazz, but holy poo poo it's like the foundation of everything good in modern American popular music, like what the gently caress. you can also point to jamaica for lots of where current music today comes from particularly studio production
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Goatman Sacks posted:pick one lol @ using implying greentext arrows in the year of our lord 2016 Lightning Knight posted:Frankly I don't even enjoy traditional jazz, but holy poo poo it's like the foundation of everything good in modern American popular music, like what the gently caress. Honestly, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbCt-iXIXlQ This is arguably more "modern" jazz but musicians like Miles Davis were absolutely definitive in shaping American music.
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e:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ extremely relevant album to this postOn Terra Firma posted:Uhhh Bill Evans would like a word beyond the grave John McLaughlin would like a word from England. e2: man that Goatman post is just the trifecta of really lovely unfunny troll, "ironic racism", and musical ignorance. HELL YES IM MAD 
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Anyone who hasn't should watch Ken Burns' documentary on jazz, which is available to watch for free on PBS' website. I can't really do it justice with a short description, but after watching you'll understand how unlike any genre that came before jazz is uniquely American and full of innovation that continues to have great influence on other genres in the modern day. Makes for great ambience if you have it on while you're doing something else too.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Arguably the greatest white jazz musician. But you should know him from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD21CBN6KkE If idiot hellfuckers like Goatman can listen to that and put musician in scare quotes they need to have their eardrums ripped out and fed to them
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Jazz is great and there is a strong case for music being a primary driver for progress in race relations throughout American history. Nowhere else in the world can even begin to gently caress with America's musical output during and past the 20th century.
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Question: I'll need some good political books and movies to pass by the time in the hurricane. I'm looking into the Game Change books and movie; anything else you all would recommend?
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Lightning Knight posted:Ah yes, jazz, one of the most important foundational and vivid artistic movements in modern American culture, totally not legitimate music. Holy poo poo dude. Jazz is absolutely important as the foundation for much of American music. In general, it also sucks rear end. Give me the Blues any day.
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Munkeymon posted:But you should know him from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD21CBN6KkE Pfft those stupid idiotfucker non-musicians keep putting an extra beat in every bar  Abrasive Obelisk posted:Question: I'll need some good political books and movies to pass by the time in the hurricane. I'm looking into the Game Change books and movie; anything else you all would recommend? Don't you need electricity to watch movies?
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Eletriarnation posted:Anyone who hasn't should watch Ken Burns' documentary on jazz, which is available to watch for free on PBS' website. I can't really do it justice with a short description, but after watching you'll understand how unlike any genre that came before jazz is unique, uniquely American, and full of innovation that continues to have great influence on other genres in the modern day. Makes for great ambience if you have it on while you're doing something else too. With the possible exception of country, most of the uniquely American genres of music - jazz, hip-hop/rap, disco - originated in the black community. It's a wonderful testament to the fact that what makes us good and unique is the same thing that white conservatives hate: our diversity and the strengths of our minority communities. Jazz doesn't suck. It's just kind of dull and puts me to sleep. I'm a big fan of electronic jazz but I feel like in general my tastes in music may be super terrible and mark me as a young millennial suburban shithead. 
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Talmonis posted:Jazz is absolutely important as the foundation for much of American music. Was coming in to post more or less this 
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Lightning Knight posted:With the possible exception of country, most of the uniquely American genres of music - jazz, hip-hop/rap, disco - originated in the black community. It's a wonderful testament to the fact that what makes us good and unique is the same thing that white conservatives hate: our diversity and the strengths of our minority communities. Listen to this poo poo then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OZq2cactvc or yknow, any new Kendrick. or Thundercat
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A bit late, but thanks for the Carter information. It sounds like his ideas were good but was entirely unable to play ball with folks. That's a bummer. Especially as a lot of his concerns seem to have come true, but he couldn't start the engines of change, as it were. I suppose if nothing else it's a great lesson in recognizing the perfect as the enemy of the good.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Pfft those stupid idiotfucker non-musicians keep putting an extra beat in every bar I'll see if I can't get a DVD for any movies.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Listen to this poo poo then My first thought listening to this was "intro to a '70s-'80s TV show set in New York." I don't know if that's justified or not, but there you go. 
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:I'll see if I can't get a DVD for any movies. Are you hand-cranking that DVD or what? Genuinely just curious, I would have thought blackouts and no generators were the norm in a storm
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Question: I'll need some good political books and movies to pass by the time in the hurricane. I'm looking into the Game Change books and movie; anything else you all would recommend? First post has a bunch of suggestions.
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Lightning Knight posted:My first thought listening to this was "intro to a '70s-'80s TV show set in New York." I don't know if that's justified or not, but there you go. I'd watch the gently caress out of that show
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Eletriarnation posted:Anyone who hasn't should watch Ken Burns' documentary on jazz, which is available to watch for free on PBS' website. I can't really do it justice with a short description, but after watching you'll understand how unlike any genre that came before jazz is unique, uniquely American, and full of innovation that continues to have great influence on other genres in the modern day. Makes for great ambience if you have it on while you're doing something else too. and also why jazz is considered a dead artform thanks to people like stanley crouch and wynton marsalis
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Abrasive Obelisk posted:Question: I'll need some good political books and movies to pass by the time in the hurricane. I'm looking into the Game Change books and movie; anything else you all would recommend? Thirteen Days
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Lightning Knight posted:With the possible exception of country, most of the uniquely American genres of music - jazz, hip-hop/rap, disco - originated in the black community. It's a wonderful testament to the fact that what makes us good and unique is the same thing that white conservatives hate: our diversity and the strengths of our minority communities. The defining traits of country compared to "folk music" have their roots in the black community too, mostly the "wrong" notes that give country its twang. Southern folk music was played by white and black folks, despite the community being very white now.
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Good music in the USPol thread. This is the best derail ever. 
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Lightning Knight posted:With the possible exception of country, most of the uniquely American genres of music - jazz, hip-hop/rap, disco - originated in the black community. It's a wonderful testament to the fact that what makes us good and unique is the same thing that white conservatives hate: our diversity and the strengths of our minority communities. country very much has its roots in black musical traditions
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Phone posted:If it makes you feel better, Fortune has an article by Gary Johnson titled "What Clinton and Trump Won't Tell You About Entitlements".
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comingafteryouall posted:The defining traits of country compared to "folk music" have their roots in the black community too, mostly the "wrong" notes that give country its twang. Southern folk music was played by white and black folks, despite the community being very white now. Alec Bald Snatch posted:country very much has its roots in black musical traditions Fascinating. I didn't know that. It doesn't really surprise me. Too bad country isn't so great anymore.
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Lightning Knight posted:Fascinating. I didn't know that. It doesn't really surprise me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWJmN8D820
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Alec Bald Snatch posted:country very much has its roots in black musical traditions Pretty much all "white" music has it's roots in black musical traditions. Lightning Knight posted:Too bad country isn't so great anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJvvxEs1_pE Look how wrong you are.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Hillary's really loving good one on one, though. I am much less sure about Zodiac. Zodiac didn't know some senate procedure/rules and hosed up and allowed some B-Rock appointees through. I mean he achieved his goal of being an attention whore, bbbbbbuuuuutttttttt
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