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MiddleOne posted:I must admit that they've gotten way better at dogwhistles over the years. The recent motion to supress media consolidation by "ethnic groups"( The last thing I have apparently missed? Care to elaborate?
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Cardiac posted:The last thing I have apparently missed? http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/sd-riksdagsledamot-minska-bonniers-makt-ta-bort-presstodet/ I believe someone is about to get the boot again.
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MiddleOne posted:http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/sd-riksdagsledamot-minska-bonniers-makt-ta-bort-presstodet/ So "pure ethnic" Swedes will only be able to own 5% of the newspapers? The stupidity of this is amazing. Especially considering most of the Swedish newspapers will be dead within 5-10 years, where papers like SvD (Norwegian owned) and GP will probably go first. Mittmedia recently said they would fire like 450 out of 600 journalists this year and next. There are speculations that Aftonbladet will go all digital this or next year, which will also make Expressen go all digital (they have the same printing press). If she were a Anyone going to be surprised when SD makes sure to cut pressstödet as well as other things related to culture in order to "save money"?
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So they want to reduce the media monopoly by cutting all financial support to them? Won't that just solidify the monopoly? They even want to get rid of SVT and SR to make sure of it. There's no way they're not just trying to create one big media company. Are we going to hear how they received a lot of funding from Bonniers in the future or something? Are they just using an unusually stupid SD member as a sacrifice so the rest of the party can make ridiculous claims: ”Sverigedemokraterna försvarar en ordning med fri och oberoende media. Vi ser pressfriheten som grundläggande samt ställer oss bakom public service” I haven't heard such an obvious lie since one of my friends claimed that his pick of race for pen and paper roleplaying wasn't at all imbalanced despite getting absolutely massive bonuses to all combat related stats. What a loving farce. One side is so incompetent they couldn't tie shoelaces and the other uses their minimal competence for pure malice. 
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Cardiac posted:Surprise that SD was right or that organised begging exists? That romani beggars were (often?) part of an organized effort on someone else's behalf. SD is right about things the way a broken clock is right every now and then. It's just that they and their supporters think that not being wring about something is worthy of adulation.
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McCloud posted:This. loving this. Who the hell are you supposed to support when one side is full of shortsighted career politicians who only care about their jobs and the other side is a bunch of Drumpfers. Ugh. Satanistiskt Initiativ "Why settle for lesser Evil?"
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freelancemoth posted:Satanistiskt Initiativ 
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McCloud posted:This. loving this. Who the hell are you supposed to support when one side is full of shortsighted career politicians who only care about their jobs and the other side is a bunch of Drumpfers. Ugh. rösta [blankt]
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Old video has surfaced of a current politican with a reasonably big assignment in which he tells a highlaaaaaarious story about a bunch of maxis who pummels a sheep to death while pretending it's a Jew. (Laughing, while reminiscing this happy occasion). Wanna guess what party? It's Swedish....and..."democratic"....
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MiddleOne posted:Speaking as someone actually from that side of Sweden, Göteborg has had troubles with crime and begging since way, and I mean waaaaay, before the current Romani situation. I'd be careful about conflating the two. Reallly? Because then the scale must have been way different. I literally nerver encountered beggars in the city center, except a few "regulars", until that EU expansion happened. We have had lots of homeless people, but they were not begging actively on the street for some reson.
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BigglesSWE posted:Old video has surfaced of a current politican with a reasonably big assignment in which he tells a highlaaaaaarious story about a bunch of maxis who pummels a sheep to death while pretending it's a Jew. (Laughing, while reminiscing this happy occasion). Sounds halalious. What mosque was it filmed at? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Zudgemud posted:Reallly? Did you literally never travel from the train station? I'm not sure how one could miss it.  But yes, the scale was different. It was a few hotspot instead of the current literally everywhere.
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MiddleOne posted:Did you literally never travel from the train station? I'm not sure how one could miss it. Cant remember that they were constantly there begging during late 90s early 2000s. There were definately numerous homeless people and Faktum sellers in the city center though.
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eightpole posted:Flashback is down and none of my friends will stop talking about it There is a TV debate among all the Swedish party leaders on at the time of your post. But we shouldn't talk about politics in this thread. Also, not the first time Flashback is down.
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eightpole posted:Who cares about Swedish politics tbh Considering the debate was mostly discussing the result of the last election, that was two years ago, no one?
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BigglesSWE posted:Åkesson was all like "environment concerns? naaah, not our concerns. Too bad literally no one supports SD based on environmental concerns. Also, what about that coal?
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One thing I noted in the debate was Löfvens deflections when it came to asylum seekers. Leaving that issue aside, he constantly deferred to EU to handle regulations which accordingly would relieve him of responsibility for future policy changes since it is all EU. While that is somewhat true, there are 2 issues with that argumentation. 1. Considering how asylum is handled in EU, that part will take a long time to happen. 2. Löfven is basically trying to transfer the blame to EU, making them the scapegoat. That line of argumentation is pretty bad and we have seen the result already in Europe with Brexit and UK politicians blaming EU for everything bad. He should also consider which parties in Riksdagen benefit from a negative opinion to EU i.e. V and SD.
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Cardiac posted:One thing I noted in the debate was Löfvens deflections when it came to asylum seekers. You really should give prop 2015/16:174 a read. Just page after page of the responsible government ministers answering "we're doing this because the EU minimum says so" over and over again when critiqued on the specifics by our courts, government agencies and civil society organizations. Doesn't matter that it's not true, that's the story they've decided on to sleep at night. Coincidentally, this has also been the answer provided whenever the issue has been brought up in interviews and debates since at least Almedalen. It's loving pathetic.
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MiddleOne posted:Just page after page of the responsible government ministers answering "we're doing this because the EU minimum says so" over and over again
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Poil posted:I don't know what I'm talking about but are they just admitting to just doing the bare minimum (even if it's true)? How is it EU's fault they're not doing a better job? Will they get punished by the other EU ministers by jantelagen or something? Please tell me I'm wrong again. Yes, but they're using it as a justification, as if there was some causal connection which there of course isn't.
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MiddleOne posted:You really should give prop 2015/16:174 a read. Just page after page of the responsible government ministers answering "we're doing this because the EU minimum says so" over and over again when critiqued on the specifics by our courts, government agencies and civil society organizations. Doesn't matter that it's not true, that's the story they've decided on to sleep at night. Coincidentally, this has also been the answer provided whenever the issue has been brought up in interviews and debates since at least Almedalen. I should do that. Even while we probably don't agree whether the actions were necessary, we probably can agree on that these justifications are kinda bad and probably in the end, directly counter-productive. Considering the massive PR campaign they did 2 months before the decision, I guess it would be a too massive loss of face to say " we were wrong" and instead they blamed EU. Saying they were wrong would however have opened up a new line of questioning where it would become very obvious that they had information indicating what would happen several months in advance and then not acting on it.
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Cardiac posted:Too bad literally no one supports SD based on environmental concerns. I once met a girl who voted for them because of their stand on animal rights. Could just be a very desperate excuse tho.
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BigglesSWE posted:I once met a girl who voted for them because of their stand on animal rights. You know who else was big on animal rights?  Wild Horses posted:They're right about nuclear power. And the military. Broken clocks and so on. I wonder if what we are seeing in the west is the beginning of a break-up between neoliberals and conservatives, where the latter have started to realise they are not working towards the same goals any longer when socialism is all but dead.
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Cardiac posted:Broken clocks and so on. Neo liberals are always for profit margin, "free movement" of capital and low wage servants wheras the conservatives are more of a "law&order" party. Not really into that "multicultural" society if it means more burned cars and letting rapits go.
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Cardiac posted:I wonder if what we are seeing in the west is the beginning of a break-up between neoliberals and conservatives, where the latter have started to realise they are not working towards the same goals any longer when socialism is all but dead. Yeah pretty much? Triangulation has been a thing in both the right and left after all. The traditional left gave up redistribution and the role of the state while the traditional right in reaction gave up on conservatism and the role of the military.
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah pretty much? Triangulation has been a thing in both the right and left after all. The traditional left gave up redistribution and the role of the state while the traditional right in reaction gave up on conservatism and the role of the military. Now we got the worst of both worlds.
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah pretty much? Triangulation has been a thing in both the right and left after all. The traditional left gave up redistribution and the role of the state while the traditional right in reaction gave up on conservatism and the role of the military. And now everyone is triangulating versus the conservatives, which turns out to be rather hard since it was a group that have been neglected for a long time by both sides. S conservative voters are literally dying off and M, C, KDs went SD when M, C went all liberal and progressive.
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Cardiac posted:You know who else was big on animal rights? :godwin Yeah, Kent Ekeroth was caught crying over a sick calf. Clearly he's fit for office! Or were you referring to a different nazi?
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BigglesSWE posted:Yeah, Kent Ekeroth was caught crying over a sick calf. Clearly he's fit for office! Holy poo poo, do you youngsters actually learn any form of history ? You clearly don't know your Godwin.
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Cardiac posted:Holy poo poo, do you youngsters actually learn any form of history ? The great irony hear (apart from my joke) is that I'm actually studying history at Örebro University. Clearly I need it amirite?
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BigglesSWE posted:The great irony hear (apart from my joke) is that I'm actually studying history at Örebro University. Clearly I need it amirite? Oh you poor soul 
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