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freebooter posted:Something that's always fascinated me about UHC debate in both the UK and the US is that the politicians and media act like they're the only two countries that exist. Any move to universalise health in the US must be the slippery slope to a creaky, crumbling fully-state-run system like Britain, and any move in the UK to tinker with the NHS must surely be the foot in the door for full-on American corporate privatisation. Nobody seems to consider Canada or the Netherlands or Australia or New Zealand or Denmark or any of the dozens and dozens of other countries where the private and public health sectors co-exist quite well. there is no room for a profit motive in providing essential healthcare
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Having never looked into the Juanita Broaddrick claims and without the time to do so before the debate, can someone sum up the evidence for/against (or if you know good links that could be quick reads)? Even if the whole situation afterwards (the threatening and whatnot) seems a bit ... overplayed? (not sure what word I'm looking for here is), it still is a very serious claim, and the claim is at least feasible inside of the power structure dynamic and (alleged) behaviors of Bill? It probably happened honestly. She made some very accurate remarks. Like outside of the hotel room there was a prison being built in sight, and Bill made a comment on it. Going back to that room and the timeline, that would actually be a thing. It's a very specific obscure minor detail that makes the whole thing plausible. But who knows? It's plausible but it's a he said she said thing.
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Stereotype posted:Things we know for sure: Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump abused their power and fame to have sexual relationships with women who were not their wives. This is basically my argument, and for any rape victim who has been blowing that horn publicly for 30 years to back the dude who openly admitted to sexual assault casts doubt. I always believe accusers at face value, but I'm not going to ignore any evidence that may disprove their claim, and this casts some serious doubts.
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This guy was the head of the College Republicans at my university. It makes me really happy to imagine how miserable this election has made him.
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WampaLord posted:How are people not understanding why this is a huge deal? He's been doing horrible poo poo for months now. There are accounts going back decades of him racially discriminating, sexually harassing, cheating on his wives, abusing Marla, cheating his clients and partners, cozying up to enemies of the US, trashing veterans and their families, and on and on. These have all been horrible things. It's totally obvious why this recording should be a huge deal. The surprise in it actually being a huge deal is that we've all known he was this awful the entire time, but none of it has blown up quite like this even though every single one of those things should have.
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Scent of Worf posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/784951109173579778 As angry as the Trumpstaffle is, I expect far worse for any minority group. We're about to see what encouraging delusional neo-Nazis really means. I only hope that the GOP are held accountable for it, though I know they won't be.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Sad to say this happens more often than gets reported.... gently caress god damnit. See, there's a relatively huge Sikh community in the CA Ag valley, places like Modesto and Ceres, etc, a lot of Sikh immigrants come to the US and get into trucking/logistics there because the food needs to get to the warehouses and it pays well. It's a good way to go from immigrant to solid middle class and have nice things for your kids and be able to go back and visit your family and support them, etc. Problem is, that region is right up against the part of the state infested with deplorables so you've got this tension where deplorables and their garbage inbred families think Sikhs are some wave of Muslim immigrants there to rape their shitheaded daughters when Sikhs are actually regular old religious people and definitely not Muslim at all. But you wouldn't expect white deplorable trash to know the difference, in fact a few years back one of them shot up a Sikh temple because to racist hillbillies nobody other than a Muslim would wear a turban. Man that poo poo pisses me off, all the Sikhs I've ever known have been cool and good like it's a religious requirement to be excellent to others and of course it's goddamn white trash who are too drat stupid to just accept people who don't gently caress their sisters and drink Coors light while eating chik fila.
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/784944534283100160 Maybe those influential Rs shouldn't have been pushing this Clinton Murder And Mayhem Machine narrative since the 90s and we wouldn't be here.
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swimgus posted:It just seemed to me that the mexican judge thing and the elizabeth-warren-pocahantas thing, and the mocking disabled reporter, and the joking about assasinating hillary, and a bunch of other things were all huge deals, then Trump just kept on Trumping, and people shrugged and didn't pressure him to drop out. And after this thing everyone says he should quit. I'm not saying this isn't a huge deal, and I agree that what he said in the video was beyond the pale, it's just that he should have been disqualified as soon as he said Mexico was sending rapists here in his announcement speech. They like veiled racism, mocking reporters, and insurrectionist gun narratives. You can do that poo poo in the Republican party if you get votes. You can't openly break basic sexual mores on video while also losing the election to a woman who they've spent decades villifying. If one or the other wasn't true, he'd be fine.
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FactsAreUseless posted:My favorite thing today is the poster in this thread calling out Jim Davis for being a sellout. Yeah, the guy behind the multi-million dollar Garfield product empire might be in it for the money.
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FAUXTON posted:gently caress god damnit.
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FAUXTON posted:gently caress god damnit. Sikhs drink like sinks and that's why their weddings own.
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FactsAreUseless posted:My favorite thing today is the poster in this thread calling out Jim Davis for being a sellout. Yeah, the guy behind the multi-million dollar Garfield product empire might be in it for the money. It's about ethics in cartooning.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:So what happens if Trump actually drops out? I stand on my roof at 2 am and howl at the moon while taking a glorious piss.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:So what happens if Trump actually drops out? The world ends. Because he's not dropping out. It'll be hilarious if Pence does though. Anyway, has this been posted yet? 
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:So what happens if Trump actually drops out?  is my best guess
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I hope the forthcoming schism between social conservatives and small government conservatives keeps liberals in power for the next 400 years.
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gfsincere posted:This isn't a "well what were you wearing" or a "why did you go on a date with him if you didn't want to have sex" argument. Did uh. Did I miss something?
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Casimir Radon posted:Yeah but it's not funny. He's also a bit of a whore, he released an official Garfield Without Garfield book to cash in on that while it was relevant. Jim Davis isn't a bad person his creation just isn't something enjoyable by anyone over 7. Jim Davis may be a hardcore sellout, but the things he's created by selling out range from harmlessly bland to actually kind of great ("Garfield: his nine lives", the original animated series). He's a better and more honest business man than Trump, that's for sure.
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lozzle posted:I've already seen deplorables who insist that this is just Donald Trump being an alpha male and sexually aggressive (which is a apparently a Good Thing) and anyone who doesn't act like that is a beta male. Asking for consent to kiss or touch women makes you a pussy. Dubplate Fire posted:Like really, who gives a poo poo? He's just talking poo poo. I guess people without friends don't understand social interactions.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:So what happens if Trump actually drops out? They have to try to litigate a case to overturn state laws setting an end date for putting new candidates on the ballot and try to force states that have already started early voting to recognize votes already cast for Trump as votes for the new candidate possibly against the wishes of the actual voters. It'll be a glorious clusterfuck, basically.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Did uh. Yes. Trump has a rape trial for raping a 13 year old girl on one of Jeffery Epstiens wild flights that starts on Oct 14th.
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Stereotype posted:Alaska is actually much more likely to go blue than most other states. It is more likely than Texas according to 538. Yeah I didn't mean to leave it red...must have been the proximity to Russia.
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birds posted:I talked to my Trump supporting roommate today about the video today and he said he won't watch it because he said didn't care. I read him parts of the transcript and was told something along the lines of "oh wow i thought you were going to tell me something actually bad, bill clinton did much worse!" I have a feeling that a great deal of Donny's support comes from people like your roommate. His support does largely come from High School educated white males, who are not a high turnout to vote group. I really wouldn't be surprised if most of his support comes from people who aren't registered or who are but aren't going to vote anyway. And that's aside from him not even having RNC GOTV support anymore.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Jim Davis may be a hardcore sellout, but the things he's created by selling out range from harmlessly bland to actually kind of great ("Garfield: his nine lives", the original animated series). He's a better and more honest business man than Trump, that's for sure. I will always love Jim Davis for this. The dude is actually a loving great artist: http://books.google.com/books/about/Garfield_Presents_Babes_and_Bullets.html?id=LFftrXfV4tYC
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gfsincere posted:Yes. Trump has a rape trial for raping a 13 year old girl on one of Jeffery Epstiens wild flights that starts on Oct 14th. I'm not so sure anything's going to come of this. Even Jezebel said that this case is pretty dubious and probably a sham on part of a NeverTrump group.
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smg77 posted:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/784944534283100160 They spent decades demonizing minorities/women/leftists and built up their own media bubble to further brainwash their voting base. I find it hard to believe that they are actually surprised at the outcome of all those their party has done.
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gfsincere posted:This isn't a "well what were you wearing" or a "why did you go on a date with him if you didn't want to have sex" argument. You're denying a rape accusation because "she's lying and wants to ruin a man." I'm just pointing that out.
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gfsincere posted:Yes. Trump has a rape trial for raping a 13 year old girl on one of Jeffery Epstiens wild flights that starts on Oct 14th. Just to add, it's a civil case not a criminal one because the statute of limitations.
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gfsincere posted:IMO being so angry that you back another rapist and potentially create even more victims makes one a rapist enabler, and wipes away any sort of empathy or compassion I could possibly have and casts a serious doubt on their accusation. I can see why her behavior would make you lose your compassion for her, but it really doesn't have any bearing on whether or not her accusation is legit. People do illogical, counterproductive poo poo all the time
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Jim Davis may be a hardcore sellout, but the things he's created by selling out range from harmlessly bland to actually kind of great ("Garfield: his nine lives", the original animated series). He's a better and more honest business man than Trump, that's for sure. and his charitable causes are actually legitimate charities
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