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Combed Thunderclap posted:The original tweet is actually hilarious Hillary drinks? poo poo, she got my vote!
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Oct 9, 2016 05:23
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ImpAtom posted:No I'm not. I'm trying to drive home to you that no matter how 'logical' you argument are to yourself you're doing exactly the same thing everyone does. You want to disbelieve her because you don't like what it says despite the fact you don't have proof so you're pointing at her behavior and who she associates with and to you that confirms she must be lying Stripping any of all context to make yourself feel right does not in fact, make you right.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:23
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So if Trump is really due in court over this rape charge, why isn't this loving EVERYWHERE on every news outlet all the time?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:23
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BlueBlazer posted:Hillary drinks? poo poo, she got my vote! Means she's more manly than tee totaling, tiny Putin.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:24
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BaDandy posted:Here's an article about it if you're curious. Why do you guys think this is no big deal?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:24
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Combed Thunderclap posted:The original tweet is actually hilarious Haha I like her more now
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Oct 9, 2016 05:25
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bad boy in the boy band posted:So if Trump is really due in court over this rape charge, why isn't this loving EVERYWHERE on every news outlet all the time? http://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/pretrial_conference.html
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Oct 9, 2016 05:25
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bad boy in the boy band posted:So if Trump is really due in court over this rape charge, why isn't this loving EVERYWHERE on every news outlet all the time? There's no hard proof and people are very good at dismissing allegations like this when they have a vested interest in doing so. If something's going to come of it they're better off waiting for it to come out on its own at the trial, if not then they'll just look silly.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:25
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https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/784971631022211072
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Oct 9, 2016 05:25
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lothar_ posted:Folks, are there any write-in candidates I can vote for in Georgia that promise full communism now? That's all I really want. No, vote Democrat. Isakson, your local "safe" Senate Republican, is at 58%. He could be gone, and if the Democrats win you get Bernie Sanders in charge of the Budget Committee, and the Hillary homers in this thread have firmly convinced me he is a full communist.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:26
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ImpAtom posted:Nobody said you have to. How do you believe a rape accusation without believing that the accused did a rape?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:26
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gfsincere posted:Stripping any of all context to make yourself feel right does not in fact, make you right. What context is he missing in "if you don't know if someone's lying don't call them a liar"? Guy Goodbody posted:How do you believe a rape accusation without believing that the accused did a rape? You just don't dismiss it out of hand because it looks bad for your candidate. Deified Data fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Oct 9, 2016 05:26
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:Haha I like her more now "I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. She seems like someone that can drink me under the table"
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Oct 9, 2016 05:26
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gfsincere posted:Stripping any of all context to make yourself feel right does not in fact, make you right. Okay? So you're just going to keep doing this. You're going to keep accusing a rape victim of lying without any proof she is lying because it feels right to you. Because here is the thing you keep dancing around. Where is your proof. Not "It doesn't make sense to me" or "Well, Donald Trump is a rapist too!" Where is your actual proof she is a liar? Guy Goodbody posted:How do you believe a rape accusation without believing that the accused did a rape? ... are you serious? Do you think if someone accuses someone else of murder you instantly go "Well, he must be a murderer then!"
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Oct 9, 2016 05:27
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Reince Priebus swears he didn't see anything.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:27
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The complete failure of the Republican party to uncover or act on the very public information about Donald Trump's extensive dunghill of a life leads me to believe that competent political operatives may have finally stopped being willing to work for the GOP. Assume I'm a laid-off steelworker from Youngstown. Assume, for a brief shining second, I don't give a poo poo about racism, sexism, transexuals, ethnocentrism, socialism, Christianity, Islam, Terrorism, trade-deals, etc (this is an unlikely, perhaps impossible scenario). Assume I just care about my job or my kids going to college or some poo poo that I don't really care about as much as making GBS threads on N-words and the like. With that assumption, how does the GOP persuade my milquetoast dumbass? With promises of hulk smashing government? With promises of hulk smashing ISIS? I literally don't give a gently caress and want my town to be like that town from Footloose. How can the GOP even make a persuasive pitch that it's possible? All that's to say that I think any political operative that the Republicans and/or the people the Republican Party can hire are incompetent. I don't think they could sell water to a person dying of thirst. Habit and white skin may have carried them far, but their utter failure on every single register have proven them to be louts. This might actually be an opportunity. There seems to be only two things stopping Democrats from winning the house and imposing a Rooseveltian 100-Days Regime: 1) My perception of their historical cowardice for the past 30 years (which may be changing, based on the the debate performance tomorrow and the almost flawless campaign run by every single member of the Democratic Party on the national level). and 2) Their caution in the face of what was once a mighty and united 90s era Republican Party. I'm not worried about the election. Looking ahead, I'm more worried about the Democrats squandering their luck. How do they capitalize on potential Senate gains? I can't imagine they game planned for getting the House as well, but assuming they do, what is their policy? I really don't think they'd institute Hillary's platform even if they get a supermajority in both houses, so where do they compromise and what is the 5 year plan for the Democrats? Do they want Universal Healthcare? A new WPA? Breaking up the big banks? Single payer healthcare? Just some basic poo poo like infrastructure junk? I'd like to hear what you think is actually possible. Democrats have tended to be victims of their own success and terrible at capitalizing on their vanquished political foes. We know or suspect what the plan is if Hillary wins ant the house and the Senate stay (R). We suspect what happens if the Senate flips but everything else stays the same. What's the plan in the best case scenario? Or is that just one of those good problems to have?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:27
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Night10194 posted:I would like hard-drinking Hillary who punches men in the face to defend baby bunnies. She drinks you under the table, then when someone tries to take your wallet  cracks him in the face and knocks him straight out. ¡Viva la abuela temida!
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Oct 9, 2016 05:27
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Deified Data posted:What context is he missing in "if you don't know if someone's lying don't call them a liar"? Yeah, because that's what I said. Or what I actually said was "trying to take down a man you accuse of using his perceived power to sexually assault women by standing behind a man who described in detail of sexually assaulting women, one in particular, and using his perceived power to get away with it, with no romantic or familial ties to do that man, calls into question the validity of your original claim since you know, you're SUPPORTING THE VERY THING WITH EXTREMELY SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES YOU CLAIM TO BE AGAINST. Is it clearer now?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:30
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ImpAtom posted:... are you serious? If I know stuff about the case or the people involved I might have an opinion about whether or not the accusation is valid. If I don't know anything about the case then I won't have an opinion either way.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:31
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ImpAtom posted:Okay? So you're just going to keep doing this. You're going to keep accusing a rape victim of lying without any proof she is lying because it feels right to you. The case is pretty much he said, she said, and now she has said things that support a rapist talking about using his power to rape women and get away with it, so yeah, it casts a whole lot of doubts as to whether what she said originally is true.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:32
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Greatbacon posted:"I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. She seems like someone that can drink me under the table" "I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. She's someone I could have eight beers with."
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Oct 9, 2016 05:32
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gfsincere posted:Yeah, because that's what I said. Or what I actually said was "trying to take down a man you accuse of using his perceived power to sexually assault women by standing behind a man who described in detail of sexually assaulting women, one in particular, and using his perceived power to get away with it, with no romantic or familial ties to do that man, calls into question the validity of your original claim since you know, you're SUPPORTING THE VERY THING WITH EXTREMELY SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES YOU CLAIM TO BE AGAINST. No, because you're still not saying why they're wrong, just that they're hypocritical. Does being hypocritical instantly mean you're a liar?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:33
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Reminder: Trump has been very bullish on rehabing their 'concealed child rape for decades' bullshit. I WONDER WHY.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:33
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Icon Of Sin posted:She drinks you under the table, then when someone tries to take your wallet Not empty quoting. poo poo, she's anecdotally willing to belt a motherfucker.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:33
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Guy Goodbody posted:Why do you guys think this is no big deal? It was being shopped around to the media by a known anti-Trump Republican starting right after it looked like he had a chance at the nom, and they basically refused to play ball with any outlet that wanted to investigate, interview her or do anything more than just publish their pre-prepared press kit.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:34
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gfsincere posted:What do you call someone who openly supports Donald Trump and his description of how he has actually sexually assaulted women as "just talking"? A rape apologist. That doesn't mean she can't be a rape victim too. She might be an awful person in every way for all we know, it still doesn't mean that she can't have been raped. Either way, it's not really relevant here. Bill Clinton isn't running for president again. His wife is, and her one connection to this is spurious and dismissable (her thanking Juanita supposedly being her saying thanks for keeping quiet or whatever). It's not worth discussing here, except in the context of how monumentally stupid it would be for Trump to bring it up and how Hillary will crucify him for it.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:34
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Deified Data posted:You just don't dismiss it out of hand because it looks bad for your candidate. Broaddrick, Clinton, and these allegations have been in the public eye for decades. There have literally been books written about it. I think it's OK to have an opinion about it.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:34
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Themagicalgoat posted:The complete failure of the Republican party to uncover or act on the very public information about Donald Trump's extensive dunghill of a life leads me to believe that competent political operatives may have finally stopped being willing to work for the GOP. Honestly, I want to election reform. Overturn Citizen's United, mandate anti-gerrymandering requirements for states, national holidays for Presidential and midterm elections, automatic voter registration, the works
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Oct 9, 2016 05:35
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Not empty quoting. poo poo, she's anecdotally willing to belt a motherfucker. I cannot loving believe the guy who published that thought 'Little Hillary decks a neighborhood boy to defend adorable bunnies' was a NEGATIVE.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:35
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ImpAtom posted:No, because you're still not saying why they're wrong, just that they're hypocritical. Does being hypocritical instantly mean you're a liar? In circumstances such as this, yes it casts doubt as to the validity of the claim. Any competent lawyer in the world would destroy her in court.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:35
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Themagicalgoat posted:The complete failure of the Republican party to uncover or act on the very public information about Donald Trump's extensive dunghill of a life leads me to believe that competent political operatives may have finally stopped being willing to work for the GOP. Or that they don't know how to hire them anywhere. Bush prioritized proper ideology over competence, and the Republican Party as a whole has been obsessed with image over action ever since. Remember Karl Rove, the "wizard" whose first outing lost the popular vote, had the second one buoyed by 9/11, had an opponent in the third one incapable of expressing a coherent position on anything, promptly got his rear end kicked by the fourth time out, and ever since then has been a generic "expert'? The entire party is like that now. No joke- the moment that made me decide to vote Hillary rather than third-party was watching the first debate and realizing, to my shock and horror, that the main difference between Hillary and Trump was that Hillary had actually put serious thought into what she would do as President and Trump, to the extent he thought of anything at all, was just "how do I win the election". ...And before anyone shits on me for not springing into 2016 with fully formed correct political opinions, remember this. People like me are going to turn this into a Hillary wave. The most likely way Democrats can screw this up is by pissing us off.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:36
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gfsincere posted:In circumstances such as this, yes it casts doubt as to the validity of the claim. Any competent lawyer in the world would destroy her in court. Why does it cast doubts on the validity on the claim? Do you know there are people who have been sexually harassed who have supported sexual harassers? Does that make their claim they were sexually harassed invalid? People can be selfish and care more about what happens to themselves than others. That doesn't make the accusation wrong.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:37
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Themagicalgoat posted:Democrats have tended to be victims of their own success and terrible at capitalizing on their vanquished political foes. We know or suspect what the plan is if Hillary wins ant the house and the Senate stay (R). We suspect what happens if the Senate flips but everything else stays the same. What's the plan in the best case scenario? Or is that just one of those good problems to have? I do imagine there would be a lot of party cohesion with the Democrats given the March of the Deplorables. It might not last for thirty years, but I think it would last for twenty-four months.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:38
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The Glumslinger posted:Honestly, I want to election reform. Overturn Citizen's United, mandate anti-gerrymandering requirements for states, national holidays for Presidential and midterm elections, automatic voter registration, the works Do you think the party would have the political will for that? Does the Democratic party even want that? Wouldn't they prefer the Supreme Court take care of all those things in 15 years (except the Constitutional Amendment stuff. I don't see how the Federal Government could tell the state anything about voting districts. Maybe I'm wrong?). I suspect a state-by-state update of voting practices based on the California model. Less political risk.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:38
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Guy Goodbody posted:Broaddrick, Clinton, and these allegations have been in the public eye for decades. There have literally been books written about it. I think it's OK to have an opinion about it. "I have read books on the subject and there is definitive proof that she is probably lying" is very different from "She is supporting Donald Trump so she must be a liar." Also like.. we're literally talking about this with reference to Donald Trump who has been accused for years and had it swept under the rug due to his wealth and power.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:39
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Guy Goodbody posted:Broaddrick, Clinton, and these allegations have been in the public eye for decades. There have literally been books written about it. I think it's OK to have an opinion about it. As we've been saying, have an opinion but accept the possibility that you could be wrong. There's not enough evidence to support gfsincere's level of absolute certainty.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:39
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Deified Data posted:You just don't dismiss it out of hand because it looks bad for your candidate.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:39
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Nessus posted:I suspect they would pass a budget including generous infrastructure repair spending, probably do some fiddle-loving with the college finance system to the benefit of the kinderlach, probably various other aspects of Hillary's platforms... definitely get the SCOTUS refilled, possibly replace a retiring RBG. They would probably have some contention over what to do with Obamacare but I wouldn't be surprised if we got a public option. I find this-- particularly the Supreme Court stuff--persuasive. But what are the long-term costs of this? Does a public option lose voters in the medium term? Or is that just inevitable?
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Oct 9, 2016 05:40
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lmbo at the people itt pretending Bill Clinton is actually a rapist.
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