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I keep watching clips from the debate of Trump meandering around and getting way too close behind Hilary on mute and it's just hilarious. Trump looks like a lost man accidentally wandered onto the stage sometimes.
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Talking to some NJ friends. I wonder if the fatass from NJ didn't tell Donnie about the train crash or natural gas leak in Paterson(the place Donnie said was dancing during 9/1) that destroyed a couple of homes. Donnie would definately go tinhat if he heard about these news items.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:05
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lol, Trump skipping the third debate would be a total disaster. He can't possibly think this would improve his numbers, especially at a time where his campaign is on life support and the party is looking for a reason to pull the plug.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:06
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Kilroy posted:Haha if he drops out of the third debate after weathering the relatively more hostile first and second then he really is just throwing the fight. There is no other explanation. What can their strategy even be? Is Bannon just stringing Trump along as a sacrificial figurehead for the alt-right?
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Oct 10, 2016 07:06
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Lid posted:Explain the brilliance of this plan. His debate performances are not good enough to give his campaign longterm stability and he's not winning any new voters. If anything, the debates present unnecessary risk. He gets to mitigate risk, end the debates on a high note and also show the voting public that he doesn't follow the "political establishment" and their rules. If he can do that and keep his campaign in order for another few weeks, he can ride to a slim victory in November. EDIT: SomeMathGuy posted:I'd imagine at this point the gameplan is less about winning and more about trying to make it look like he only lost because the system was against him. This too - it gives him a great martyr status combined with being a rebel/maverick. Amergin fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Oct 10, 2016 07:06
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HorseRenoir posted:lol, Trump skipping the third debate would be a total disaster. He can't possibly think this would improve his numbers, especially at a time where his campaign is on life support and the party is looking for a reason to pull the plug. I'd imagine at this point the gameplan is less about winning and more about trying to make it look like he only lost because the system was against him.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:07
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Maxwell Lord posted:Oh please throw a tantrum over this, yes. https://twitter.com/costareports/status/785359908891799557 Sounds like the tantrum's already happening.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:07
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trash person posted:The whole Bill thing was an absolute non-starter. That's why I don't get why he did his press conference with them before the debate. Do it on Tuesday or Wednesday. Not literally right before something that will inevitably be a far bigger hold on the news cycle. I think the real answer is that Trump (and presumably his handlers who can't do their job handling the Don) has less ability to compute logic coherently than the Baby Executive in your avatar.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:07
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Red Bones posted:I just woke up in Europe, how did the debate go? Clinton left a lot on the table and didnt really attack Trump. Mostly policy talk and awkward looks. Trump spent 30 minutes farting into a microphone then 9 minutes talking gibberish. Then he bailed as soon as it was done, again, instead of mingling with the
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Oct 10, 2016 07:07
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HorseRenoir posted:lol, Trump skipping the third debate would be a total disaster. He can't possibly think this would improve his numbers, especially at a time where his campaign is on life support and the party is looking for a reason to pull the plug. Periodiko posted:What can their strategy even be? Is Bannon just stringing Trump along as a sacrificial figurehead for the alt-right? If he legit skips the third debate? Yes.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:07
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Amergin posted:keep his campaign in order
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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Periodiko posted:What can their strategy even be? Is Bannon just stringing Trump along as a sacrificial figurehead for the alt-right? Threaten the poo poo out of the committee, tell them you're quitting, compromise by showing up but letting the Clinton rape accusers sit in the front and punch Bill in the face. Art of the Deal.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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If I were less lazy I'd replace trump with confused travolta in gifs
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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speng31b posted:I wonder if the moderators knew about this shitshow before the debate? That would explain a lot of their hostility towards him. Imagine being told that you were in charge of properly moderating this loving monstrosity and that Trump was throwing a shitfit because he had been trying to seed the audience with political props. God drat. Yeah, this would explain a lot
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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Amergin posted:His debate performances are not good enough to give his campaign longterm stability and he's not winning any new voters. If anything, the debates present unnecessary risk. The debate will happen with or without him, and he will be only be pandering to his base by absenteeism. Mitigating risk is like tonight - showing up and being graded on a curve. Not showing up is a terrible terrible plan and you would fail any political science class running this argument.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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I hope so http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-debates-biggest-loser-was-the-gop/article/2004794 quote:The Debate's Biggest Loser Was the GOP
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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Periodiko posted:What can their strategy even be? Is Bannon just stringing Trump along as a sacrificial figurehead for the alt-right? I don't know Bannon well at all but his strategy as of late is like an Internet troll having to come to terms with the fact that, hey, clicks and page views and attention on the Internet does not translate into success in real life adult world. Like Palmer Luckey's meme funding.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:09
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Lid posted:The debate will happen with or without him, and he will be only be pandering to his base by absenteeism. Mitigating risk is like tonight - showing up and being graded on a curve. Not showing up is a terrible terrible plan and you would fail any political science class running this argument. The debate doesn't happen without him. Without him, it's just a little town hall for Hillary that will garner 0 attention. EDIT: Unless they get it to be a Fox News interview 1-on-1 with Hillary, but she/her campaign wouldn't play ball with that.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:10
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Amergin posted:His debate performances are not good enough to give his campaign longterm stability and he's not winning any new voters. If anything, the debates present unnecessary risk. Things Matter - nonattendance isn't neutral, it's a huge loss. The Clinton campaign is competent and it will hurt him yugely.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:13
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Periodiko posted:What can their strategy even be? Is Bannon just stringing Trump along as a sacrificial figurehead for the alt-right? If the best you can do is hold a press conference with women linked to Bill Clinton and then throw a tantrum when they aren't allowed to confront him during a debate like this, you're in a lot of trouble. This is on top of the fact that they have spent 2-3 days now handwaving Trump's awful comments about women without a good line of defense other than 'oh this is not the Donald I know'.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:13
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trash person posted:I don't know Bannon well at all but his strategy as of late is like an Internet troll having to come to terms with the fact that, hey, clicks and page views and attention on the Internet does not translate into success in real life adult world.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:14
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Of course Trump will attend the third debate. They are doing this because by threatening to pull out it distracts from his tapes and gets the media to talk about something else.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:15
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/785351012416716800 Yeah, sure, whatever. I wish I was capable of this level of denial.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:16
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https://twitter.com/BryFun1/status/785310574917804032
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Oct 10, 2016 07:16
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if trump ditches the 3rd debate, would they just have hillary debate an empty chair a'la clint eastwood?
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Oct 10, 2016 07:17
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joepinetree posted:Of course Trump will attend the third debate. They are doing this because by threatening to pull out it distracts from his tapes and gets the media to talk about something else. "Heh we can get them to stop talking about our roof being on fire by pointing out our water pipes are bursting at their rivets!" - Giuliani
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Oct 10, 2016 07:17
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joepinetree posted:Of course Trump will attend the third debate. They are doing this because by threatening to pull out it distracts from his tapes and gets the media to talk about something else. You're still assigning competent strategy to them.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:17
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Wow, this is actually really fascinating! I never really thought about gender and power dynamics in the Western world in the 1970s, but this is really cool to read through, thanks!
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Oct 10, 2016 07:17
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Night10194 posted:You're still assigning competent strategy to them. It could be accidental competence.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:18
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Night10194 posted:You're still assigning competent strategy to them. That's still not a competent strategy, it only works if you assume there aren't enough hours in the day to make Trump look bad in two distinct ways. It worked when Teflon Trump was still a thing, and the myriad poo poo Trump did made it all seem like a blur, but those days are gone.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:19
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speng31b posted:That's still not a competent strategy, it only works if you assume there aren't enough hours in the day to make Trump look bad in two distinct ways. It worked when Teflon Trump was still a thing, but those days are gone. I think they're going to have a hard time adjusting to the fact that that dumb lolnothingmatters aura is gone.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:19
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Instant Sunrise posted:if trump ditches the 3rd debate, would they just have hillary debate an empty chair a'la clint eastwood?
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Oct 10, 2016 07:20
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Mike Pence is not attending another event Monday. As for the Trump/debate commission/family box situation, are the rules for the family box as strict as it sounds, as in specifically family only or family and close persons/campaign members? I get that Trump would be Trump and throw a bitch fit but at the same time it seems really loving stupid to throw a tantrum, even for Trump. Also Amergin, I cannot see how anyone would think skipping the third debate could possibly benefit Trump in any manner in terms of his ability to win.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:21
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FlamingLiberal posted:Bannon/Conway are the perfect people for Trump because they will just buy into his nonsense and amplify what he says to his crazy alt-right supporters. They are not the kind of people you want to have in charge of a national campaign. they're good insofar that they've sort of fully realized the art of pushing and manipulating narratives. take dropping out of the third debate. on the surface, its stupid. but they know fully well how to create a story about how trump is so upset over how unfair the debates were to weave it into their narrative of trump the super strong business master outsider here to make america great again. The fact that there is not one iota of fact to back up their claims doesn't matter, because most centrists go off of tummy feels and whatever story most supports the quasi-romanticism style story of a little guy fighting against nebulous Bad Things like corruption or whatever. I think they could get away with doing it and a lot of voters would be willing to "consider" their story aka throw it in a trashcan with the truth and go I DUNNO I GUESS THEYRE ALL BAD its not enough cuz trump is ridiculous but its a scary sort of power that i dont like them being good at.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:22
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Doing a dumb freak out to attract attention is a standard Trump strategy. Hillary didn't put the boot in during the debate but maybe there's a strategy to let Trump talk and pick over it later. Presumably stuff like the arrest threat will be picked over later.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:22
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Trump skipping the debates while still losing in the polls makes it look like he's giving up.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:23
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Fangz posted:Doing a dumb freak out to attract attention is a standard Trump strategy. It's already in the top bulletpoints the media is running with. It's like an infected wound, it's just going to get worse.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:25
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Night10194 posted:You're still assigning competent strategy to them. yeah this is reminding me of some of the stories that came out of the russian space program about how they would look at the space shuttle and think that america must have had some super-secret reason for designing the shuttle the way we did and that it couldn't just be that it's a weird compromise design between wildly different requirements in order to get funded.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:26
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remusclaw posted:Trump skips the debates while still losing in the polls looks like he's giving up. Reminder: He was favored to win Iowa back when we didn't realize he was going to be nominee yet, skipped the debate, and lost there. Also, as soon as he could get away with it as frontrunner, he stopped appearing in debates. Honestly, I think he just loving hates them. They're weird and uncomfortable for him.
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I'm really glad ~48 hours of Trump and his team's brainstorming led literally only to, "Hey guys what if we just made Bill Clinton shake hands with his accusers???"
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