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Brannock posted:Wow, insightful and incisive. He's not wrong.
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sarmhan posted:Nah, that's dumb because she was regent for many years, de facto ruler for others, and key adviser for more. If the latest EU4 expansion has taught me anything its that a Queen regent counts as your ruler for all intents and purposes. Funny, no one seemed to complain about having Bismark as the leader of Germany in civ 4 and 5. Its almost as if the complaints about her not being officially the monarch are just an excuse for people to cover their real motivations or something.
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Yeah, the whole point of the Deluxe Edition of this game is that it'll get you four DLC packs cheaper. (And the soundtrack, I guess.) We know there's going to be paid DLC, and that it will be "maps, scenarios, civilizations and leaders". (...Which, tangentially, makes it really obvious that multiple leaders is going to be a thing.) The question is price and how much each bit of DLC contains; since it's twenty bucks more for the Deluxe Edition, which is four "packs", each pack is going to cost five or more bucks when sold separately, at the least. I'm glad they were smart enough to make the Aztecs free, even if the timed exclusive preorder bonus thing is silly, though.
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I remember they mentioned that an encampment can hold a stables OR a barracks. Are there any other building dilemmas, that people know of?
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Krazyface posted:I remember they mentioned that an encampment can hold a stables OR a barracks. Are there any other building dilemmas, that people know of? Interestingly, it looks like archaeologists are tied to museums- each museum city needs to make its own archaeologist which doesn't have any listed charges or uses, and once you've filled up your museum the archaeologist disappears (except England, which can build two archaeologists to fill up each of its six slot archaeological museums). If you lose your archaeologist to barbarians (as Quill18 did) it just teleports back to its home city. It's a system that every streamer I've watched has had issues with, as it's deceptively similar to Civ V, but works somewhat differently. You don't just spam archaeologists anymore, as each one is really just production phase two of a particular museum you built. And likewise there's no reason to spam archaeological museums unless you can afford to follow them up with expensive archaeologists. Eiba fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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So the game mechanics encourage the English to plunder ancient treasures instead of making art? Hahah, that's great.
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Krazyface posted:So the game mechanics encourage the English to plunder ancient treasures instead of making art? Hahah, that's great. They seem like a strong cultural civ. Just not their own culture. And all their foreign continent bonuses and personality traits seem to be supporting that end goal. So while Spain gets intercontinental bonuses to encourage a global religious victory, England is encouraged to settle cities all over the world with the ultimate goal of gathering up exotic ancient treasure from every civilization to put in museums to win a cultural victory.
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Rule, Britannia!
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Can archaelogists get into Academic Combat where they badmouth eachother and try to get eachother blacklisted from journals? How do you stop England when they're trying to grab your precious marbles?
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:People also complained that she wasn't actually ever the leader of france, which is at least somewhat relevant
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Cheatum the Evil Midget posted:Can archaelogists get into Academic Combat where they badmouth eachother and try to get eachother blacklisted from journals? How do you stop England when they're trying to grab your precious marbles? Just be thankful they're not Paleontoligists 
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Grapplejack posted:I would honestly really like to see an Israeli civ lead by Solomon, but I don't know how well that would go over with people. Alternate leader: Herod the Great. That would be even more popular!
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Not as popular as Pontius Pilate would be 
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Groke posted:Alternate leader: Herod the Great. That would be even more popular! Sandy Koufax is the only good choice Cheatum the Evil Midget fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Kassad posted:Not as popular as Pontius Pilate would be He'd be the equivalent of a Great General, surely? He was only a governor.
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Captain Oblivious posted:He's not wrong. I don't think anybody had a problem with Catherine the Great or Queen Elizabeth in previous games? Most of the grognarding probably came from European nativists.
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I too have Opinions About Leaders, but then I remind myself that this is not a simulation; it's not even an abstraction (Paradox games are abstractions, not simulations). It's the 4X equivalent of Clone High, and having a diverse and colourful cast is more important than historical fidelity. "Leaders" should be less about how much official authority they held, and more about how they represent their culture. PS. Catherine de Medici is a better choice than Napoleon ever was.
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There's not a thing in the world that someone isn't going to complain about on the internet, who the heck cares?
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Bloodly posted:He'd be the equivalent of a Great General, surely? He was only a governor. His unique GP ability would be, kill the next Great Prophet any civ generates and found your own religion instead
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Bloodly posted:He'd be the equivalent of a Great General, surely? He was only a governor. Yeah, not to mention that he was a Roman. Hence fury from anyone who really wants to see Israel in the game.
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This is pretty interesting- same site as before, but looking at a different page. It's all the tech/civics/wonder quotes. All the techs and civics have 2 quotes, all the wonders have 1. It's the first strategy game I know of that numbers John Carmack, Brian May, Terry Pratchett and George Carlin amongst its source contributors.
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quote:His unique GP ability would be, kill the next Great Prophet any civ generates and found your own religion instead Depending on how the higher difficulties work, that could actually work, sadly enough.
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Hogama posted:This is pretty interesting- same site as before, but looking at a different page. It's all the tech/civics/wonder quotes. Paulo Coelho quote for writing, lol. That will make elitist brazilians really mad
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Hogama posted:This is pretty interesting- same site as before, but looking at a different page. It's all the tech/civics/wonder quotes. Adam Savage and Lemony Snickett, too!
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As expected, it's Gorgo!
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Gorgo looks super cool! I bet somebody is going to complain she looks too masculine sarmhan posted:Nah, that's dumb because she was regent for many years, de facto ruler for others, and key adviser for more.  but it as at least more relevant than "she wasn't even born here!"Ghostlight posted:It's as relevant as it is for Gandhi or Nobunaga, among others. To be clear here, I hate that Gandhi leads India every game And I also know the real reason they bring these things up about the female leaders and not the male ones Jump King fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Krazyface posted:So the game mechanics encourage the English to plunder ancient treasures instead of making art? Hahah, that's great. This is wonderful and I can't wait to do this.  e: Gorgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syS-SFtr-44 SlothBear fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Gorgo looks cool and I can't wait to roll with her and Tomyris as warrior queens. I can't remember what the hoplite graphics were for Pericles. Were they the same, or does Gorgo's UU have a different, Spartan model? I noticed her capital also defaults to Sparta instead of Athens, which is a cool touch.
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Gorgo's hoplites do indeed have minor skin change.  Spartan lambda on Gorgo's hoplites. ...And then I noticed, actually, that some of Pericles' had it, too. Ah well. Gorgo's Greece does have a different border color, and it was confirmed that both leaders can be in a game at once. Hogama fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:I bet somebody is going to complain she looks too masculine "LOVE the delts on her, will have to play as her just so I can flex them :-)"
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Byzantine posted:"LOVE the delts on her, will have to play as her just so I can flex them :-)" Yeah surprisingly I haven't seen anything like I was expecting, which I thought would happen because people complained that Tomyris "looked like a man" As somebody stated before, somebody will be a shithead about everything they release, so I should really just stop caring.
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Byzantine posted:"LOVE the delts on her, will have to play as her just so I can flex them :-)" MMM Whatchya Say posted:I bet somebody is going to complain she looks too masculine MMM Whatchya Say posted:Yeah surprisingly I haven't seen anything like I was expecting, which I thought would happen because people complained that Tomyris "looked like a man" quote:lol didn't know Greece had trannys back then Though the comments sections mostly seems to be either upset that we didn't get Leonidas (famous for being a man and losing his most famous battle) or being enamored with her boob shake (hell, same).
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you guys would be happier if you stopped caring what the boogeyman other from non-SA sites thinks
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So nice to have multiple leaders per civ confirmed. I missed that feature coming from IV to V. I just hope like in IV you can mix leaders and civs willy-nilly in custom modes. Admittedly in IV the leaders were mostly a list of traits and personalities so it was a bit easier. But Gorgo of the Aztecs would be fun.
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Alkydere posted:So nice to have multiple leaders per civ confirmed. I missed that feature coming from IV to V. I just hope like in IV you can mix leaders and civs willy-nilly in custom modes. Admittedly in IV the leaders were mostly a list of traits and personalities so it was a bit easier. It might also create some problems though, like Mvemba a Nzinga of Russia/Arabia.
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Not hard to imagine a "Classic Leaders" DLC is in the works with longtime series veterans like Alexander, Isabella, Elizabeth, and Catherine (Russia). Maybe package it with a Classic Civilizations DLC or expansion bringing back Persia, the Mongols, and the Inca.
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I do hope the other civ's will get a second leader over time, I really dig how Pericles and Gogo both want to pursue the culture win, but have different ways of getting there. I think if you did that for all the civs that'd be pretty darn good! For example, as it stands America has Teddy Roosevelt, who in conjunctions with his Civ does this: -Founding Fathers (America): Earn all government legacy bonuses in half the usual time. -Big Stick (Teddy Roosevelt): Likes peaceful civilizations that have a city on his home continent. Hates civilizations starting wars against a city-state or civilization based on his continent. -Units receive a +5 Combat Strength bonus on their home continent. +1 Appeal to all tiles in a city with a National Park. Gain the Rough Rider unique As stated in the video, America shines in the mid/late game with strong military units and extra cultural production, while stacking bonuses from the past. Roosevelt provides the military edge with his Rough Rider unit, and his focus is on protecting his home continent. From this you could tweak another leader to try and synergize with America cultural bonuses in another way. Maybe have Franklin Roosevelt as your leader and you earn culture fighting in wars away from your home continent or do something like that with Woodrow Wilson (unique unit: Doughboy). Alternatively, you could play with the Founding Fathers ability and have a leader like Thomas Jefferson and get extra culture for switching your government around or playing with different policies and options. Really you could do a lot of really cool stuff with multiple leaders for a civ, the small tweaks can really add up to different playstyles and different interactions with the AI.
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Hogama posted:
Weirdly that never clicked for me but yeah I first heard of Catherine from Beach's Virgin Queen
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Krazyface posted:They could do the Statue of Liberty, though I understand why they might be reluctant after all the BS over de Medici. I don't think some small group of people upset about de Medici had any effect whatsoever on future leaders to include or not include.
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Is Digital Deluxe edition a pro buy or should I just preorder the regular? I can't remember if Civ V's version of the bonuses was worth it or not, all I remember was maybe Babylon + Denmark + Spain and some other maps. If it includes something like Gods & Kings eventually I'm down but otherwise I'm a little skeptical if it's worth the extra $20 or not.
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