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High-priority target eliminator definitely seems like it's a thing again at least at Mayhem and up. There's a real choice between high powered weapons for priority targets with low ammo count vs spray+pray weapons for normals. I'm having fun with Mayhem but it's definitely... I dunno, wonky. It's a kind of false-difficulty for sure in the sense that it's all just inflated HP but it's fun.
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xanthan posted:So any slow to fire weapon becomes worthless for anything you can't one shot if a medic is around and can't one shot them? TOTALLY REASONABLE! Medics have the same health as a Taser. Focus on the Medic first. I've also noticed that cops who get healed have a small window of invulnerability. Thats pretty annoying.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:01
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Thing I learned yesterday: If you're running dual bows, don't use Gambler. It's hard to get bonuses for picking up ammo when you can't actually pick up ammo 
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Oct 12, 2016 22:08
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Plan Z posted:I'm okay with the taser nerf. It's definitely more interesting than if they did some kind stat change. Going forward, if they unfuck the health bondoggle, this would be an interesting change to keep. It's not something I am keen to have right now with everything else being such a mess.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:12
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Safehouse Daily posted:Complete all 4 transport heists on overkill or above, with all members of the team only using saws as weapons. What the actual gently caress, Overkill? Yeah, this is totally on the same level as bagging 10 bodies or completing Diamond Store with 16 bags. 
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Oct 12, 2016 22:29
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"Bows are too powerful, they obsolete most of the other weapons!" ok, here's the medic, you can't one shot enemies when it is around unless you shoot him in the skull first "I can't one shot enemies, bows are worthless now!" gently caress tazer nerfs feel half deserved, half undeserved because it means you're hosed if you're low on/out of bullets in your magazine- wait a moment..please tell me that medics cant be healing tazers that are currently tazing
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Oct 12, 2016 22:30
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Coolguye posted:1D stealth is fundamentally the same as DW stealth and I honestly see no problem with that at this point in time. Sure, fine, go back and take a look at it after the loud mechanics are ironed out, but stealth still works and is a lot harder to make changes to than loud play just because so much is map-dependent. Not sure of your definitions of fundamental but a guard that is alert takes a full clip to take down... to the brain.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:32
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THE CHORSE posted:What the actual gently caress, Overkill? Yeah, this is totally on the same level as bagging 10 bodies or completing Diamond Store with 16 bags. There are 5 transports and when we did just one (underpass), we got the daily then and there. So either the description or the daily or both are borked.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:34
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Laputanmachine posted:There are 5 transports and when we did just one (underpass), we got the daily then and there. So either the description or the daily or both are borked. can you do another one for 6 more coins?
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Oct 12, 2016 22:45
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Okay how the gently caress do you do the Long Fellow trophy? Even with a vault spawn outside, 4:30 out of the compound is the best we could do, and then you get hosed by the Turret Van RNG blocking your path, sniper fire and "YOUR VEHICLE IS BROKEN". How the flying gently caress can we get this below 7 minutes? Do the movespeed skills affect forklifts? We're all running like maniacs with our dodge builds on but goddamn that is a thight loving limit. Also the Safehouse raid on Mayhem is pretty drat hard. But hey, we found out you can restart it with no penalty whatsoever.
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Oct 12, 2016 23:14
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Kikas posted:Okay how the gently caress do you do the Long Fellow trophy? LuciferMorningstar posted:7-minute Meltdown is possible on Mayhem, at the very least. Bring a saw, rush the cages for a crowbar, find the other two crowbars. Slap them all in the vault. Bring three forklifts around. Haul rear end directly to the train.
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Oct 12, 2016 23:21
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Malek posted:Not sure of your definitions of fundamental but a guard that is alert takes a full clip to take down... to the brain. I believe this has been patched for all guards except maybe Murkies and gangsters.
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Oct 12, 2016 23:25
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THE CHORSE posted:What the actual gently caress, Overkill? Yeah, this is totally on the same level as bagging 10 bodies or completing Diamond Store with 16 bags. That's as plausible as doing Shadow Raid in ICTVs. That is to say "gently caress THAT LOL". Discendo Vox posted:I believe this has been patched for all guards except maybe Murkies and gangsters. It's still kinda lame to shoot up alert guards versus one fwip to an unaware body.
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Oct 12, 2016 23:36
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THE CHORSE posted:
Is it still a war crime if we're not at war? Or is it a war between the Payday Gang and basically all law enforcement of the United States?
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Oct 12, 2016 23:40
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Tempest_56 posted:I've noticed that Tasers are taking a lot more damage to get them to break, too. Used to be able to clip 'em with one or two shots and get free - I got tagged on one of my non-Shockproof builds last night (thankfully at point-blank) and it took a good 8 shots to the face before I got loose.
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Oct 12, 2016 23:40
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Huh. We did it just like that, Saw, rush crowbars, stick crowbars in, drop the cops, get the nukes, and well that ain't "haul rear end" with forklifts involved. is there like a secret route you need to take to get to the train faster?
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Oct 12, 2016 23:46
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Yes. You can take a hard right after the first wear house building and sneak through a little gap as a forklift. We did it, with a breakdown of a forklift in 6:45.
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Oct 12, 2016 23:51
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widespread posted:That's as plausible as doing Shadow Raid in ICTVs. That is to say "gently caress THAT LOL". that one's easy? Buy the dumpster in the center of the map, right by the warehouse door, and go as long as you can in stealth by burning pagers, and then when you're discovered, ECM rush it. 12 bags is reasonable if you know where the loot spawns are to begin with. hell, we did that plus "secure the armor first" at the same time. You can actually secure the armor in ICTV without breaking stealth if you use the sewers carefully. It's silly, but it's possible! Psion fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 12, 2016 23:59
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yeah i solo stealthed the ICTV shadow raid thing last night of course, then i decided to be a smartass, parked myself near the van, and alt-tabbed out to play stardew valley for 3 hours to try to game the 'from income' coins. came back to realize the game wasn't accepting play input anymore  like i could hit escape, navigate the menu, do things like terminate the heist or whatever, but it wasn't accepting input to walk to the escape zone anymore.
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Oct 13, 2016 00:01
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A tip for those who want to stealth shadow raid with max detection: bring a suppressed Thanatos. If a Murkywater guard spots you from a mile away, go behind some cover and wallbang him through the cover. You oneshot him with zero chance of return fire.
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Oct 13, 2016 00:28
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^^^ Also just in general, you can often recover from bad situations in stealth just by ducking behind cover. Worst case scenario the guards start calling the cops, which is still better than firing off a shot. Best case scenario they chase after you into more favorable kill spots. ^^^Psion posted:correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the game select specific groups of enemies based on some point system when it's choosing what to drop in on you, and there is a predefined group which is 3 tasers + something else (a shield maybe?) Ended up in a 1D Counterfeit for some reason and the assault kicked off with four goddamn tasers barreling down the stairs into the basement.  Psion posted:can you do another one for 6 more coins? It properly completed in the side jobs menu, so my guess is no. John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 00:28
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I can't believe Overkill is making me rely on my teammates in this co-op game < >I think the post-Housewarming patch that irons out the health/damage weirdness will make this game pretty cool. Medics own, more dangerous tasers own.
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Laputanmachine posted:A tip for those who want to stealth shadow raid with max detection: bring a suppressed Thanatos. If a Murkywater guard spots you from a mile away, go behind some cover and wallbang him through the cover. You oneshot him with zero chance of return fire. You could also just not be at max detection in ICTV: a 34-conceal Bernetti or Gruber and a 32-conceal CAR-4 will get you to 43 detection with the right skills. Bring javelins or throwing axes or something to kill guards that have alerted, because both of those guns will be awful at it, but you should get spotted less.
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Oct 13, 2016 00:55
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Geight posted:I can't believe Overkill is making me rely on my teammates in this co-op game < After killing them, they thankfully aren't as immune as I was fearing to a flame blast or nade. They're as stupid as any other special, the fuckers just tend to protect others right before they fall.
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Oct 13, 2016 00:58
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Yeah and even if you aren't focusing them for whatever reason, they latch onto a single injured cop in the vicinity for a good couple of seconds, so feel free to go to town on everyone else while the medic gives a pep talk to the random tan standing next to him.
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John Murdoch posted:Yeah and even if you aren't focusing them for whatever reason, they latch onto a single injured cop in the vicinity for a good couple of seconds, so feel free to go to town on everyone else while the medic gives a pep talk to the random tan standing next to him. Are they single-target healers or AoE?
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Are they single-target healers or AoE? I've been wondering that too
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Are they single-target healers or AoE? I want to assume single-target because AoE anything is downright silly. Winters.
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Are they single-target healers or AoE? ST
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Malek posted:Not sure of your definitions of fundamental but a guard that is alert takes a full clip to take down... to the brain. alternately, one arrow  widespread posted:I want to assume single-target because AoE anything is downright silly. fwiw winters is specifically excluded from the healing effect as well, per the news releases earlier today
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Oct 13, 2016 01:23
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Oh. That's significantly less threatening.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:23
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Oh. That's significantly less threatening. yeah wtf why is anyone bitching That's downright lame and ineffectual.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:38
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Yeah, if you're already comfortable with killing cops on the difficulty of your choice, they're not going to present a huge problem except in certain circumstances (mainly rescuing specials, including other medics). They're less of a massive force multiplier and more of a backline equivalent to shields.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:38
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Oh. Well forget that then, that's way better. I was assuming an 8' radius heal effect. If it's just one that's a hell of a lot more balanced.
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Just to give a basic rundown of the mechanic (though I didn't get an absolutely thorough look at it since I've been doing gimmick poo poo all day): Medic exists -> you kill a cop near the medic - > medic swoops in to bring cop back to life with full hp -> cop gets up with a bright green outline and like 1-2 seconds of invulnerability so you can't just double tap them while they're in the animation. Repeat for as long as the medic is alive, though I don't know if they can repeatedly revive the same target.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:52
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The numbers of cops spawning is totally hosed. We did the safe house defense and everyone's game started chugging super bad. A little investigation revealed that the game was spawning seemingly endless cops on the other side of the chain linked fence out back. Just a mountain cops clipping in and out of one another, we couldn't kill them and they couldn't kill us. We eventually just quit because the game became borderline unplayable while the horde outside the gates bellowed unending screams of colossal goatfucks.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:58
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I kinda wanna play Big Lobby mod now.
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Oct 13, 2016 04:39
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Malek posted:I kinda wanna play Big Lobby mod now. Big Lobbies for Big Police Forces.* *Fat computers only
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Gamerofthegame posted:Speaking of bow supremacy, is there any skills that link up with a crossbow good beyond dodge builds? Apparently the marking skill doesn't get me to oneshot dozers on VH/OK/whatever-I-play-on-I'm-not-the-host despite the math saying so. Berserker boosts the heavy crossbow from 4000 damage to 5610 at 40% health.
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So, where does Captain Winters spawn on White Xmas? just, y'know ... curious 
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