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lozzle posted:I don't see what any of that has to do with you telling a black man that he doesn't need to be afraid of racial violence in rural areas and comparing it to shark attacks. Police killing of minorities isn't confined, or is even significantly heightened, by being in a rural versus urban area. It's happening everywhere (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Night10194 posted:Are they seriously doing this? What the hell is wrong with Fox? This is low even for them.
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Tom Guycot posted:For a while I just kinda laughed or shook my head at how desperate trump was to try and paint poo poo bill has done as some mark against hillary, but the longer this goes on the more I'm just getting furious. Seeing all these surrogates over and over defending an admitted sexual predator while in the same breath blaming a woman for rape because of things her husband is accused of. I want to reach into the screen and strangle these shills and I even start to wonder if this poo poo is going to get e-mail and benjamin ghazi repeated ad nauseum into just become an accepted fact in the back of peoples mind that "well clearly Hillary is guilty of helping women get raped, its common knowledge after all." There isn't enough time. It took months and months to convince enough people to reflexively assume Hillary cackled in arrogant glee as she dipped her server in boiling acid while wiping her rear end with a congressional subpoena, or personally ordered the death of 4 Americans in Benghazi just to show the Islamic Extremists that she was on their side for a disrespectful video released about The Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). Additionally their short time table is exacerbated by the fact that their attacks super piss off women, who make up over 50% of the electorate. They'll probably drive up angry white male numbers by a percent or two though, totally worth it!
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Oct 13, 2016 02:09
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gfsincere posted:Affirmative action by and large mostly helped white women, as women are considered minorities in the program as they are underrepresented in a lot of workplaces. Why hire a black person when you can still get your diversity numbers up by hiring a white woman?
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Zwabu posted:Anyone can take a series of elections and cherry pick criteria to "retrofit" a predictive model. I don't believe the guy created the model 30 years ago and predicted all the elections since then. I think he created it more recently and it's retrofit bullshit and not worth the time.
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I'm still Arzying quite a bit, because Jesus Christ we're talking about a totalitarian misogynist racist rear end in a top hat to the Presidency, and even if he loses his totalitarian misogynist racist rear end in a top hat supporters are going to do their damnedest to stir poo poo up. How long until we get a militia holding people hostage demanding Congress overturn the "illegitimate" election and place President Trump in office, with Trump just sitting there smiling like a loving rear end in a top hat saying 'should have voted for me, this wouldn't have happened, told you Hillary was weak'.
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Tom Guycot posted:For a while I just kinda laughed or shook my head at how desperate trump was to try and paint poo poo bill has done as some mark against hillary, but the longer this goes on the more I'm just getting furious. Seeing all these surrogates over and over defending an admitted sexual predator while in the same breath blaming a woman for rape because of things her husband is accused of. I want to reach into the screen and strangle these shills and I even start to wonder if this poo poo is going to get e-mail and benjamin ghazi repeated ad nauseum into just become an accepted fact in the back of peoples mind that "well clearly Hillary is guilty of helping women get raped, its common knowledge after all." I've seen posts on conservative sites calling them "Hillary's rape victims". They seem weirdly convinced that Hillary Clinton was directly and personally involved in assaulting these women. Though they don't seem to care about Trump's assaults.
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theflyingorc posted:Police killing of minorities isn't confined, or is even significantly heightened, by being in a rural versus urban area. It's happening everywhere Shut the gently caress up you loving racist, you know absolutely nothing about this. You are human garbage for trying to pull rank about lynchings of all motherfucking things.
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a former Miss Teen USA weighs in: https://twitter.com/TheRealKamie/status/786353509595770880 https://twitter.com/TheRealKamie/status/786353787615281152 https://twitter.com/TheRealKamie/status/786354014384492544 https://twitter.com/TheRealKamie/status/786369802994671616 Kamie Crawford posted:The most Trump tea I'll spill for the day is this... when I was 17, I met Mr. Trump for the first time as Miss Teen USA. As the first WOC...to win the title in almost a decade - I was forewarned prior to meeting him that, "Mr. Trump doesn't like black people. So don't take it...""...the wrong way if he isn't extremely welcoming towards you. If he is, then u just must be the "type" of black he likes."
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Violator posted:That is what will happen. During the riots a few years ago I had a conservative family member post a long tirade on Facebook asking why blacks had to be so violent. The people of Ferguson are lazy and just want equal rights handed to them! They just want free stuff and you never see them trying to improve their lives! Why can't they be more like gay people? Gay people got their rights quietly, peacefully, and respectfully!!! She was actually arguing with a bunch of people of color about it. Not trying to be a dick or concern troll or what have you, serious question, was there any violence in the gay rights movement after the Stonewall Riot?
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Tom Guycot posted:I thought this way, but the more and more they go on about this, I'm starting to get worried its going to become ingrained that "well hillary is just as bad as trump about sexual assault so its a wash", and people will stop caring about pussygate and countless stories of him groping and walking in on teenagers naked to get his jollies. It feels like anything the right wants to stick to Hillary, gets stuck and theres nothing anyone can do.
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:The fact that most elections in the past 30 years have been really easy to predict, and he just got lucky in 2000 Also, his model is garbage in the way he operationalizes his variables. Like his "keys" are subjective enough he can arbitrarily alter it, and he assigns them a simple true/false as opposed to an actual scale with actual weight. After the last time he came up I talked to a friend of a friend who had a class with him, and FWIW, he's a namedropping jerk.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Shut the gently caress up you loving racist, you know absolutely nothing about this. You are human garbage for trying to pull rank about lynchings of all motherfucking things. Cool, I'm sure you have some recent scholarly data backing up your point?
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theflyingorc posted:Police killing of minorities isn't confined, or is even significantly heightened, by being in a rural versus urban area. It's happening everywhere ONCE AGAIN Sundown towns are still a thing, dumbass. You really think they are gonna report lynchings? negromancer fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Guy Goodbody posted:Thanks, I appreciate that. In all honesty, I was more just being a dick than making an actual argument. But I do think leftists are way too hard on rural poor. The rural poor have it pretty lovely in this country, and they've noticed that things don't tend to get much better for them. It's like what Obama said about them clinging to guns and religion. I see. I don't fully agree - BLM has coherence and a platform with policy goals, and has a fairly simple message - please don't murder black people, and further can black people be equal to white people. Whereas angry rural white Trump voters both lack coherence and what political goals they have are abhorrence. I think you're correct in the broad sense that both represent anger at the system, but I disagree on their equivalence. BLM seeks equality. Rural conservatives seek maintaining of and restoration of old privileges. I think we're hard on the rural white poor and I think they deserve our help, but I also think we need to address the rampant regressivism in many rural communities and how much of a block it is in helping them.
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Yeah, I started with that "distribution of all possible EV counts" graph and the polling data and just got "but Trump is breaking ALL THE RULES", and followed with "hundreds of people have had models for every election that are 100% accurate until they're wrong" and suggested he put some of his nervous energy towards campaigning for downticket races (he's against Trump but has also gone full South Park and refuses to vote Hillary, natch) and he totally clammed up. So it looks like I'm writing him off until after the election.
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Sky Shadowing posted:How long until we get a militia holding people hostage demanding Congress overturn the "illegitimate" election and place President Trump in office, with Trump just sitting there smiling like a loving rear end in a top hat saying 'should have voted for me, this wouldn't have happened, told you Hillary was weak'.
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FactsAreUseless posted:I actually didn't realize it didn't address these problems separately, which is really dumb, since white women and black men (and black women) obviously have very different situations and very different needs in how they should be addressed. It did not, and yet black people were still demonized for it because an overqualified black person got hired in a position they weren't qualified in the least for but they felt was owed to them.
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Lightning Knight posted:I see. I don't fully agree - BLM has coherence and a platform with policy goals, and has a fairly simple message - please don't murder black people, and further can black people be equal to white people. Whereas angry rural white Trump voters both lack coherence and what political goals they have are abhorrence. I mean, strictly you can also phrase both of those in the sense that both groups want what they perceive to be good for them, it would be weird if black people wanted white supremacism as a response to anger at the status quo. I suppose you could get separationism as an alternative to integrationism, and the reason you don't more often is perhaps because separationism doesn't have a breeding ground like white supremacism does. But even that allows you to reduce it to "people want what they perceive to be good for them and they tend to pick from ideas they are already exposed to in some form" OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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AmiYumi posted:Phoneposting so I can't really link anything, but a friend of mine is Aryzing hard about Allan Lichtman calling the election for Trump, with his "100% accurate" I've personally used Lichtman's model here to talk about the factors going into the race. The problem is that a lot of the factors are 100% based on another person's judgement. Lichtman really hosed up hard by making a lot of bad judgement calls about Obama's policies that make his model spit out a very wrong answer. I recommend telling them "garbage in garbage out". Also, models are just models, they only reflect reality to the degree that they align with reality. This is a truly exceptional election that has a serial sexual assulter and literal know-nothing on the ballot. Not to mention the polls: if you cling to a model or supposedly universal rule in the face of actual evidence of the reality on the ground, then you AND your model are flat out stupid. Hope that helps!
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predictive model. Has there been any mockery or discussion I can send his way?
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Oct 13, 2016 02:15
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Shut the gently caress up you loving racist, you know absolutely nothing about this. You are human garbage for trying to pull rank about lynchings of all motherfucking things. His angle is: 1) Calling me a black supremacist for always talking about black people stuff, but 2) Apparently neither you nor I know anything about black people stuff. His racism is quite idiotic.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I'm still Arzying quite a bit, because Jesus Christ we're talking about a totalitarian misogynist racist rear end in a top hat to the Presidency, and even if he loses his totalitarian misogynist racist rear end in a top hat supporters are going to do their damnedest to stir poo poo up. I mean, the US Government is very, very powerful my friend, and much better at dealing with crazies compared to the bad old days of Waco or Ruby Ridge. Don't worry so much. It'll be ok.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The fact that you're pulling this poo poo freely with no complaint from the white posters in this thread or the white mods is all the evidence anyone would ever need of racism in this community. You are filth.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I've seen posts on conservative sites calling them "Hillary's rape victims". They seem weirdly convinced that Hillary Clinton was directly and personally involved in assaulting these women. Though they don't seem to care about Trump's assaults. Yeah, this is what I mean. They're dismissing an admitted sexual predators acts while turning a woman into a rapist. Gyges posted:There isn't enough time. It took months and months to convince enough people to reflexively assume Hillary cackled in arrogant glee as she dipped her server in boiling acid while wiping her rear end with a congressional subpoena, or personally ordered the death of 4 Americans in Benghazi just to show the Islamic Extremists that she was on their side for a disrespectful video released about The Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). I don't think he can come back from such a polling gap at all, but I'm just seething that they're basically laying the groundwork for 8 years of "Hillary Clinton is a rapist who hates women and kills are soldiers (PS email)".
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gfsincere posted:ONCE AGAIN ...you think, in the current environment, that this wouldn't be making the news
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The fact that you're pulling this poo poo freely with no complaint from the white posters in this thread or the white mods is all the evidence anyone would ever need of racism in this community. You are filth.
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Lol Trump is openly threatening to sue the NY Times now over the new accusations. Go ahead and try it Donald, I'm sure it'll work out well for you.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Would you please shut the gently caress up you poo poo-sucking racist? There are at least two mods posting in this thread right now and it's appalling you haven't been banned. Do not ever flap your filthy mouth about any race issue again you horrible moronic trash person. gently caress you. USPOL continues to demand to be an echo chamber. If he's such a poo poo-sucking moron just destroy him with your superior logic. This in theory should be the whole point of the forum. (dont hurt me fans, you've taken enough blood this year)
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gfsincere posted:His angle is: The entire thread collectively pulls out the "angry" "crazy" "black supremacist" poo poo any time any of the what, half dozen? Black people here stand up for themselves and I'm loving sick of it.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:USPOL continues to demand to be an echo chamber. If he's such a poo poo-sucking moron just destroy him with your superior logic. This in theory should be the whole point of the forum. MattD1zzl3 posted:Have i ever been anything but an open racist in this thread? You must be new.
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theflyingorc posted:Police killing of minorities isn't confined, or is even significantly heightened, by being in a rural versus urban area. It's happening everywhere Get hosed you racist piece of poo poo. You seriously can't comprehend or even acknowledge the fear and anxiety and very real possibility of danger of this poo poo you have no goddamn business talking about it. I thought we were banning/probating racism? Or is that just black folks who say coon in cspam because gently caress context I guess, white privilege exists in dead comedy forums too!
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The fact that you're pulling this poo poo freely with no complaint from the white posters in this thread or the white mods is all the evidence anyone would ever need of racism in this community. You are filth. >checks report forum oh word?
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, strictly you can also phrase both of those in the sense that both groups want what they perceive to be good for them, it would be weird if black people wanted white supremacism as a response to anger at the status quo. My point, I suppose, is that BLM has a problem and they have a coherent solution that would fix the problem. Rural white conservatives have a problem and they have an incoherent solution that wouldn't fix the problem. That's why the comparison breaks down. I really do think rural white poor people have legitimate problems. I just also think that many of the solutions they want won't fix the problem and further would be bad for many other people. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:The fact that you're pulling this poo poo freely with no complaint from the white posters in this thread or the white mods is all the evidence anyone would ever need of racism in this community. You are filth. I don't have anything to add, I'm sorry. I think that a black man being murdered by police for no good reason is de facto modern lynching and I find the minimization of that abhorrent.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Not trying to be a dick or concern troll or what have you, serious question, was there any violence in the gay rights movement after the Stonewall Riot? I honestly don't know too much about this aspect of history, but a cursory search shows a bunch of results. I don't think anything else had the cultural impact or was of such large scale, but there was more violence through the years. Stuff like: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/18/nyregion/a-gay-protest-against-attacks-becomes-violent.html http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2016/2/27/violent-gay-protests-oscars-could-it-happen-again
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theflyingorc posted:Cool, I'm sure you have some recent scholarly data backing up your point? These are the lynchings in modern time that have actually made the news. http://rollingout.com/2015/03/21/5-horrific-modern-day-lynchings-blacks-america/ Dollars to donuts there's dozens more considering there are at any time 65,000 missing black women in the USA. Adding in black men its about 100k. You think all of them are just runaways? https://mic.com/articles/93780/64-000-missing-women-in-america-all-have-one-important-thing-in-common#.haWoVnuRx
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AmiYumi posted:Yeah, I started with that "distribution of all possible EV counts" graph and the polling data and just got "but Trump is breaking ALL THE RULES", and followed with "hundreds of people have had models for every election that are 100% accurate until they're wrong" and suggested he put some of his nervous energy towards campaigning for downticket races (he's against Trump but has also gone full South Park and refuses to vote Hillary, natch) and he totally clammed up. So it looks like I'm writing him off until after the election. He's freaking out about Trump winning but refuses to vote for Hillary? Sorry, your friend is a loving moron. 
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