WampaLord posted:

My (25F) boyfriend (21M) of five months is extremely close with his male best friend and their behaviour makes me uncomfortable.

with extra cheese posted:

My [24M] girlfriend/fiancée [24F] is upset that my mom [49F] bought her a nose job surgery as an engagement gift

Tender Bender posted:

My boyfriend keeps destroying his friend's rear end in a top hat right in front of me. He'll just ram the hell out of that thing with his erect penis, and when he cums his face has a look of sheer animalistic bliss. I know they're not gay, but it still makes me uncomfortable. Should I talk to him about this?

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Disclaimer As always, my posts are advanced level MRP. Newbies beware, do not try anything like this until you've been doing this correctly for at least six months (preferably a year), are objectively attractive, and have already built a solid frame, or poo poo like this could nuke your marriage. Keep stuff like this in your back pocket, as they say.

So if you've seem the movie The Usual Suspects (and you should)(mild Spoiler Alert), you'll recall the scene where rival cartels try to intimidate Keyser Soze by breaking into his house and holding his wife and kids at gunpoint. Keyser comes home, assesses the situation, draws his gun, and shoots...his own wife and kid! He then shoots the thugs, who are too shocked to react, letting one live to tell his bosses what transpired. The message: there is literally nothing that you can threaten to take from Keyser Soze to make him bend his will.

(Obviously I don't advocate this or any type of violence whatsoever)

So last Friday I'm reading some of Rollo's new posts, and this line stuck with me. To paraphrase: "No moment of pussy is ever worth a loss of frame". Little did I know that phrase was foreshadowing things to come.

So after a fun and sex filled weekend, I tell my wife Monday that I want her in her white lingerie so I can handcuff her to the bed and ravage her later. She says she'll put the outfit on before bed when we go upstairs after our cocktails. Whatever. So we discuss this trip she planned for a few Saturday's from now - a night at a hotel in a nearby casino city. She has a restaurant booked, arranged for the kid to stay at her mom's that night, the works. Anyways, I earlier in the weekend floated the concept of going to this Halloween themed party at a sex club in this city, and told her to look for good superhero costumes online. She doesn't shoot it down, initially plays coy. So Monday night I ask her if she found any good costumes.

her: Rex, wait, is this some kind of sex club?

Me: yes, I told you it was

Her: I told you I don't want to be a swinger

Me: me neither. We aren't doing anything with anyone. We're going to do something different by having some drinks, observing, and hanging out.

Her: So people can just be having sex there?

Me: yeah, they have areas for that if the mood strikes

Her: (now explosively angry) that sounds disgusting! Why would you ever think I'd want to go to a place like that!

Me: (probably should've STFU, but) Hey, it's a different, once in a lifetime thing to do for the experience. If it's hot and heavy, maybe we get hot and heavy. If everyone there is fat, old, and ugly, we'll have something we can laugh our asses off about the rest of our lives. Either way it should be interesting.

Her: shut up Rex! Just stop even talking right now, or I'm canceling the trip!

Me: [STFU and thinking about her threat to deprive me of something in order to end a simple discussion]

So as the show were watching is ending, I silently start cleaning up. She asks what's wrong with me. I keep STFU. We go upstairs, get ready for bed. Her: I'll still put on that outfit and have sex the way you wanted if you can be a nice boy. (Remember Rollo's line here. She doesn't actually want to gently caress me right now, she wants to use her pussy to pull me into her frame).

Me: not interested.

Her: why not?

Me: (could've STFU here, but) you are acting like a child, and I don't gently caress children. Goodnight.

Her: if you're going to have this attitude, then maybe we shouldn't go on this trip

Me: then cancel it

Her: I will

Me: pick up your phone and do it now

Her: I'll do it later

Me: OK.

So I get up, go to the computer room, cancel the trip, and bring her the confirmation sheet.

She explodes with all sorts of rambling, I keep saying "goodnight", she won't shut up, so I tell her I need to sleep and can't do it with her babbling, so I leave with my stuff and go to the guest bedroom.

We maybe say 10 words to each other the next day. I don't kiss her goodbye, nothing. I show no interest in returning to the main bed.

Yesterday morning, I realize that if I want normalcy, it's my job to lead her there. So before I leave for work, I give her a kiss and tell her to "be safe" like usual. Only one text during the day, telling her I'll meet her at my daughters gymnastics class later.

I show up at gymnastics, my Starbucks in hand, nothing for wife. When I see her, I act as though nothing ever happened - happy to see her, joking with kid, etc. Turns out she bought me a candy treat at the store, and commented on how I didn't get her anything from Starbucks even though I knew she would want something. Me: "I'll let you try some of mine. It's the new Chile Mocha". Evening proceeds as normal.

So later at home I'm going through the normal night routine getting daughter ready for bed. Wife comes upstairs, says she forgot her water downstairs, could I go down and get it? Me, jovially: "are your legs broken or something?" We banter for a minute, then she says she has a surprise down there for me. I go, and she has two glasses of wine poured, a lit candle, and a note asking if we can be friends again. I find out later that she has put on the white lingerie underneath her sweats, so she brings that out after kid is asleep. Passionate sex ensues. DEERing does not (before we have our wine she says "I'm not apologizing." Me: "me neither", give her a wink and a slap on her bare rear end.

The takeaways:

1. Nuking a nice trip like I did should only be done very sparingly, and only for a drat good reason. Why did I do it? Because I wanted to demonstrate to her that there is nothing, literally nothing, that she can threaten to withdraw or deprive me of that can alter my resolve (that I will not be browbeaten, disrespected, or made to capitulate under any sort of threat from her). Be careful with this men. Nuking poo poo like this too much for no good reason will make you come off as an unbearable, no-fun, mega prick, which equals unattractive. Don't be unattractive.

2. Whether nuking the trip was the correct move or not, owning that decision and holding frame thereafter is critical. I nuked the trip. I withdrew affection (leaving her to go to the guest room). I let her know that she was welcome back into my frame (good morning kiss two days later). I'm then given dark chocolate, wine, and porn star sex.

3. You must be "hawt" enough and have a frame made of solid titanium before you do something like this. You must have total, internalized abundance mentality, and you must truly give no fucks whatsoever as to her reaction. If you have not fully internalized this poo poo and have been living it every day, your wife will see right through you. You'll come off as a spoiled baby with a ridiculous attempt at wresting power away from mommy, and it will backfire on you hard core.

Edit: formatting (loving mobile)

Edit2: my "resolve" was not to force her to go to this club - it was that I will not tolerate being threatened in any way, shape, or form.

LethalGeek posted:

This may be outside the bounds of this cause of where it's sourced from but it seemed very in the theme of the thread and it's about a relationship so I wanted to share.

brotato posted:

I hated this story and I hope his wife smothers him with a pillow.

LethalGeek posted:

This may be outside the bounds of this cause of where it's sourced from but it seemed very in the theme of the thread and it's about a relationship so I wanted to share.

Better Fred Than Dead posted:

What a psycho. Opens with a comparison of murdering a family to maintain sovereignty and compares that to throwing a baby fit and canceling a vacation Jesus

Dial-a-Dog posted:

The finest relationships are those based on constant low grade psychological warfare. Also in the end this guy's efforts ended in the sex his wife was already planning to have with him, and ruining the trip his wife had planned, I don't even see what he's bragging about here

brotato posted:

I hated this story and I hope his wife smothers him with a pillow.

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The bottom line is that by following the MRP program, you are making a commitment to "Alpha Up." That is, our goal is to become more "Alpha." That is, our goal is to become a more attractive man. The problem is that we often focus on the sexual side of the equation to the loss of the rest of the relationship.

Yes, it is true that becoming a cave man muscular guy who doesn't take poo poo from anybody, and is in control of every situation is extremely attractive to women. It is also true that to a certain extent, "Beta" behaviors are counterproductive to the goal of sexual attraction.

That is, being the sweet, caring, considerate, thoughtful, reliable little pussy begger is counterproductive to the goal of increasing sexual attraction and interest.

Dial-a-Dog posted:

The finest relationships are those based on constant low grade psychological warfare. Also in the end this guy's efforts ended in the sex his wife was already planning to have with him, and ruining the trip his wife had planned, I don't even see what he's bragging about here

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

What kind of insane online community is that? An offshoot of PUA or MRA? I couldn't find anything using key words because I must know more of their terrible ideas.

brotato posted:

I hated this story and I hope his wife smothers him with a pillow.

bone app the teeth posted:

bone app the teeth posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/

gmq posted:

I can maybe maybe understand being all red pill if you're single and crazy. But acting like that with your wife for the rest of your life ? drat.

bone app the teeth posted:

brotato posted:

I hated this story and I hope his wife smothers him with a pillow.

CharlestonJew posted:

there is no wife

nomad2020 posted:

Suspension of disbelief enabled, the dude threw away a "once in a lifetime thing to do for the experience" to prove to the wife that he can be bought with candy and fancy underwear.

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... Fix her feelz ™.

Feelings are a drug to women. They crave feelings. Anything other than the feeling of being board. Happy, sad, in love, lust, mad, disgust... these are more powerful than any narcotic to most women. Accept this and you will better understand how they function.

As an MRP dude you are inherently logical. You accept that problems are a part of life and so you hold frame and fix them. Most women (and girly guys) are not like this. They are driven by feelings. When they are talking about problems, they are not asking for solutions. They are asking you to fix the feelings.

That's why the more often you try to give a great logical solution to a woman, the worse the reaction gets. "You don't get me!" "I just want you to listen, not to fix everything."

Examples

• Women wont take responsibility for her f* ups. Why? Because it doesn't feel good. They don't have the greater sense of righteousness for acknowledging her flaws and improving them. It doesn't feel good in the moment, so she doesn't do it.
  
• "Do I look fat in these jeans?" - She's not asking "How do I get skinnier?" or "Do you think another brand would fit my body type better?" She's asking you to make her feel good about her body right now... because she never feels good about it.
  
• "I had a bad day... Boss was a jerk... Stacy is a bitch... " - She's just venting. She doesn't want your logical answer. She wants you to confirm her feelings and move on. She wants the feeling she gets that she's worth listening too.
  
• Story telling - Ever notice that most women are bad at telling stories. Why? Because they don't about captivating the audience, painting a picture and keeping them on their toes. They only care the feelings they get by reliving the story themselves. Think about that. You're just an inactive, trapped audience there while she feel-jerks herself off with an emotional story.
  
• "I thought we'd have a new baby/house/car/whatever by now. I'm behind. I'm failing!" - No amount of reason and logic will solve this one. She doesn't want your drat rational thoughts. She feels lovely about these part of her life. Address the feelz by distracting her or fix the problem yourself.
  

This is why there's a hierarchy of suggested MRP responses when she's feeling negative and talking about it (sometimes poo poo tests):

1) Shut the gently caress up - You're too new and dumb still. Anything you say will mostly likely be responding to her words, not her feelz. And will backfire. Stay quiet and just don't make it worse.
2) Give her a hug - Stay quiet! Hugging is giving good feelz. Bear hug that woman when she needs it. It gives her both natural good feelz and the sensation of safety that is inbred in most animals.
3) AM and other sarcastic responses - My life got way better when I started replying to 80% of what my SO said with well-planned sarcasm. She doesn't give a poo poo about your logic (most of the time). Respond by controlling her feelings to what you want!! Think about that. You're using sass instead of debate to switch her feelings/thoughts around. It's more effective and everyone is happier. This is the way to put the brakes on when she's on the highway to negative feelz and swing down the offramp of your choice.
4) rear end smack, random dance, new music... - Anything that jolts her out of the spiral she's in. She doesn't need a solution. She doesn't want to discuss it. She wants to feel something different. This is you holding frame and communicating, "I'm not going to be pulled into your emotional poo poo. I wont allow you to control me." And.. if you're doing it right she'll be thinking, "Thank you for stopping my spiral. I appreciate a man that can cut through the poo poo and get us back on track."

This is why the rear end-hole got the girl. While you were determined to care about and fix her negative feelings (drawing into her frame) ... he was busy not giving a poo poo, being happy, and sucking them into his awesome feelings.
All of this has been said before. Shut the gently caress up. Hold frame. Bat poo poo tests. But hopefully this helps some of you digest the importance in a new way.

tl;dr - Fix her feelz. Ignore the rest.

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She wants the feeling she gets that she's worth listening too.

WampaLord posted:

Please please don't go down the red pill hole.

I did it like a year ago, just to gaze at the abyss, and the abyss was horrifying beyond belief.

Better Fred Than Dead posted:

The idea that one can be supportive and not a door mat is impossible to explain or understand to these morons

Everything is mania and extreme obsession and demands extreme action.

LethalGeek posted:

This may be outside the bounds of this cause of where it's sourced from but it seemed very in the theme of the thread and it's about a relationship so I wanted to share.