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Blinkman987 posted:Game industry he was talking about rich nerds
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Game industry pays great for coders.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Game industry pays great for coders. With the benefit of barely having to see them!
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BarbarianElephant posted:Game industry pays great for coders. Ummm, no, it most certainly does not.
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feedmegin posted:Ummm, no, it most certainly does not. It does if you work for a Ponzi scheme instead of a game company. I had a cowoker leave to go work at Chris Roberts cult (and then not stay long because everything other than salary was horrible).
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BarbarianElephant posted:Game industry pays great for coders. Until they get cut after the game ships.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Game industry pays great for coders. Blizzard Senior Software Engineer: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Blizzard-Entertainment-Senior-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E24858_D_KO23,47.htm Google Senior Software Engineer: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Senior-Software-Engineer-Salaries-E9079_D_KO7,31.htm Cicero fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Yes, coders can make more outside the game industry. But they still make good money, or at least good money for the games industry.
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WampaLord posted:Until they get cut after the game ships. Why wait until after the game ships, lay them off before. Bad With Money - Just Go Into The Game Industry
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BarbarianElephant posted:Game industry pays great for coders. monster on a stick posted:Bad With Money - Just Go Into The Game Industry
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BarbarianElephant posted:Game industry pays great for coders. quote:Yes, coders can make more outside the game industry. But they still make good money, or at least good money for the games industry. Most make *extremely* poor pay for coders, because so many people want the job.
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# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:35 |
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Nail Rat posted:
Between competition for openings at good companies, layoffs, release date crunch time, and the Steam Green Light lottery for those trying to go it alone, it certainly doesn't seem like a great gig for many.
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# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:38 |
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The games industry is notorious for crap/stressful working condition, long hours, no-warning layoffs, and relatively bad pay. A midlevel developer is likely to make 50-100% more money working a lot fewer hours for a non-games company. Also a lot of game companies are absolute poo poo when it comes to development process and project management. Really fundamental stuff that keeps a certain level of sanity like well-managed source control and build processes are frequently non-existent. Granted a lot of non-games companies are poo poo at this stuff too, but it's seems especially rampant in the games industry. And yet there are still so many people, mostly young-ish guys, that dream of working on video games money-be-damned so the wages are really depressed compared to same-level, same-skill roles in the market at large.
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Guinness posted:The games industry is notorious for crap/stressful working condition, long hours, no-warning layoffs, and relatively bad pay. A midlevel developer is likely to make 50-100% more money working a lot fewer hours for a non-games company. Also a lot of game companies are absolute poo poo when it comes to development process and project management. Really fundamental stuff that keeps a certain level of sanity like well-managed source control and build processes are frequently non-existent. Granted a lot of non-games companies are poo poo at this stuff too, but it's seems especially rampant in the games industry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWvfMLl4ho Who else is going to tighten up the graphics on Level 3?
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canyoneer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWvfMLl4ho I remember that we once got a resume in for some teen punk explicitly stating that they wanted to apply for a game tester job. This was a little bit confusing, as he handed it into the bakery I was working at the time. I realised later that he simply used his resume for every job without going to the minimal effort to change the stated objective.
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Sic Semper Goon posted:I remember that we once got a resume in for some teen punk explicitly stating that they wanted to apply for a game tester job. A business guy I know got a resume handed in from a guy who "always dreamed of working for Blizzard." My friend was not Blizzard.
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# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:51 |
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This week: a stress management counsellor at university told me to stop telling myself I can't afford a tropical vacation -- after all, "don't you have a credit card?" Also, re computer testing guy: any time you post a listing you get applications from people who aren't paying attention. In the last week I have a listing up that's attracted resumes with objectives of an entry-level HR role, computer programming, and music teaching, all of which have equally little to do with the role. Plus a cover letter customized to Addition Elle. (Not close, not remotely.)
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Saeku posted:This week: a stress management counsellor at university told me to stop telling myself I can't afford a tropical vacation -- after all, "don't you have a credit card?" You in Chicago and looking for someone in finance/insurance? I'm starting to really dislike my idea to throw myself into the world of banking.
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Solice Kirsk posted:You in Chicago and looking for someone in finance/insurance? I'm starting to really dislike my idea to throw myself into the world of banking. Be sure to send in a resume stating how much you've always wanted to be a circus clown.
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Sic Semper Goon posted:Be sure to send in a resume stating how much you've always wanted to be a circus clown. Circus clowns at least don't have to tell a hard working 20 year old kid that they now owe the bank $3200 because some other piece of poo poo wrote them a bad check and they didn't have the worldliness to know that a check "clearing" doesn't mean "funded." Kid is hosed beyond hosed and there's nothing I or anyone can do about it.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/57er4w/helpcanada_bc_i_screwed_up_big_time_i_lost_90k_in/ quote:I don't know where this kind of topic belongs too, this is going to be a long post. I've been involved in a startup business in June 2016. One company that's registered in my name as a sole proprietorship and the other registered as a ltd company with my "business partner".
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Oh my dear sweet God The balls on that BP though...impressive
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Guinness posted:And yet there are still so many people, mostly young-ish guys, that dream of working on video games money-be-damned so the wages are really depressed compared to same-level, same-skill roles in the market at large. One thing I wish teenagers would pick up on is that "cool jobs" inherently pay less than ones not considered cool because of supply and demand. I have worked with a ton of people that spent who knows how much money on Art Institute or Full Sail degrees and ended up working as A/V technicians in a corporate environment rather because you're fighting with a bunch of other people in the same situation for a (maybe) minimum wage job with inconsistent hours. Games programmer is theoretically better because I assume you might possibly learn some programming skills that can be transferred over to a less glamorous, but better programming job. Given how I see programming "boot camps" advertised I'm not necessarily sure that's true anymore.
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What the gently caress is up with boot camps for everything these days? I just had a slew of resumes come in for a position where people listed "professional business bootcamp" and thinks like that under their education or experience sections. Like, a boot camp on how to be a professional grown-up. I was tempted to reject them just for being dumbasses who paid too much for nothing, but in the end we hired one.
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Sundae posted:What the gently caress is up with boot camps for everything these days? I just had a slew of resumes come in for a position where people listed "professional business bootcamp" and thinks like that under their education or experience sections. Like, a boot camp on how to be a professional grown-up. I personally have known someone who walked from a scammy bootcamp where they paid too much to not learn anything into an $80k+ dev job, and not in one of the coastal cities with an insane cost of living. Either people have had it in them all along and lack the confidence to apply and interview seriously for stuff without a relevant college degree/ bootcamp certificate, or employers are starting to respect the bootcamp. I'm not sure which one.
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Guinness posted:The games industry is notorious for crap/stressful working condition, long hours, no-warning layoffs, and relatively bad pay. A midlevel developer is likely to make 50-100% more money working a lot fewer hours for a non-games company. Also a lot of game companies are absolute poo poo when it comes to development process and project management. Really fundamental stuff that keeps a certain level of sanity like well-managed source control and build processes are frequently non-existent. Granted a lot of non-games companies are poo poo at this stuff too, but it's seems especially rampant in the games industry. It's not a bad deal for the game company - testers are a pretty classic way to get people cheap ("I get to play games all day? WHOA!") with the lure that they will someday become game developers and designers. I know one or two testers who were able to call out design issues and eventually went into that, or became producers/project managers because they had good organizational skills, but that's uncommon, and typically testers are the first to go during layoffs since they are considered easy to replace.
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quote:I personally have known someone who walked from a scammy bootcamp where they paid too much to not learn anything into an $80k+ dev job, and not in one of the coastal cities with an insane cost of living. Yeah, I honestly wouldn't have hired him except that I was outvoted by the department in the end, and the people who were going to have to work with him most regularly really liked him. From my perspective, I felt that he lacked a bunch of critical "soft" skills that made him unpalatable as a candidate. For example, he needed his hand held through everything and couldn't even tell me where he'd start on evaluating improvement potentials on a simple system, in spite of the role being for an industrial engineer. I wasn't looking for the right answer (and I told him this), but for his particular approach. It was basically, "Let's say you had this system. I'll draw it out on the board for you and walk you through it. Ask me any questions you want to; consider me your system SME who can tell you anything you need to know about the process. We're looking for ways to improve the process on the floor to increase throughput by reducing overall downtime. Here are some common causes of downtime. Walk me through how you would get started on evaluating the situation, okay? Remember: You can ask me anything you need to know or about anything you don't understand." Guy stared at the board for five minutes, said nothing, asked no questions, and then said he didn't know. He didn't even offer ideas of where he'd start on trying to improve things. Not even a single question to clarify anything. In fairness, being compatible with your coworkers on a personality level is probably at least as important as being competent for keeping the office running smoothly, but god almighty, show some loving curiosity toward the subject if you're applying for a position. Maybe it was deer-in-headlights, but if so, it was a pretty bad case.
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Christ I would have immediately not hired that guy. The only two things I care about in an interview are: 1) Don't be a huge goober and 2) Can you loving THINK?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Christ I would have immediately not hired that guy. The only two things I care about in an interview are: 1) Don't be a huge goober and 2) Can you loving THINK? Have you ever hired anyone?
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At my last job i wasn't the hiring guy but i was the firing guy and during one period i fired like 7 of our 8 new hires during their probation period. After that they gave me a veto for the hiring process. And yeah i would have vetoed that guy hard.
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"Sell me this pen."
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Sundae posted:Guy stared at the board for five minutes, said nothing, asked no questions, and then said he didn't know. He didn't even offer ideas of where he'd start on trying to improve things. Not even a single question to clarify anything. That's pretty unforgivable. How the hell did he impress anyone else enough to get hired? I'm no industrial engineer but I'm pretty sure I could at least have a semi-intelligent conversation in that context.
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http://nyti.ms/2e3P5SZ The federal gov't spends 49 million per year boarding wild horses on private ranches so that they do not destroy federal land.
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VendaGoat posted:Have you ever hired anyone? We don't hire a whole lot of people.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:Games programmer is theoretically better because I assume you might possibly learn some programming skills that can be transferred over to a less glamorous, but better programming job. Given how I see programming "boot camps" advertised I'm not necessarily sure that's true anymore. Nah if you got a degree in videogames most serious programming places will roll their eyes at you without any other experience. The "best" way to get into videogames is to
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Sundae posted:Yeah, I honestly wouldn't have hired him except that I was outvoted by the department in the end, and the people who were going to have to work with him most regularly really liked him. From my perspective, I felt that he lacked a bunch of critical "soft" skills that made him unpalatable as a candidate. For example, he needed his hand held through everything and couldn't even tell me where he'd start on evaluating improvement potentials on a simple system, in spite of the role being for an industrial engineer. I wasn't looking for the right answer (and I told him this), but for his particular approach. At my last company this one girl we interviewed couldn't answer most of our basic questions (really not hard ones, just basic "what does this JavaScript function do?" kinda things) and then after the fourth or fifth question went "wowwww you guys are really smart!" and we just sort of looked at each other and sighed and wished her better luck next time
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monster on a stick posted:
Its interesting that there are still The Sting-style conmen out there putting in the hard work to take people's money. Compared to the money order scammers, payday loaners and kickstarter frauds I'd almost say they deserve it. Magic Underwear fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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No-one should go to a games school to learn coding. A regular CS degree is just fine and allows you to move into a regular company at 30 when you realize you want to see your kids occasionally.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Nah if you got a degree in videogames most serious programming places will roll their eyes at you without any other experience. The "best" way to get into videogames is to I personally know Full Sail graduates that left the gaming industry for better programming jobs without any issues. Maybe it depends on your actual skills as a programmer?
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monster on a stick posted:
That can't be a true story. This reads like something written purely for internet theater purposes.
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