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What a loving waste of flashpoint. I wanted a battle raged world, supergirl, and arrow in one. Instead we get The Flash: ButterflyEffect
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TLG James posted:What a loving waste of flashpoint. Yeah, it was kind of disappointing, perfectly fine episodes but not what flashpoint could have been. Especially considering the addition of Supergirl to the DC CW line-up, add in a Constantine appearance too, for good measure.
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Oct 14, 2016 06:59
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At this point, everything about this show and Arrow just feels so rote. They're not trying anything new or exciting anymore, they're just maybe tweaking the status quo a bit, probably only for an episode or two, and then getting back to the same tired melodrama and re-hashed
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Oct 14, 2016 13:30
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I'm actually glad flashpoint is over so quickly. The less time we waste in bullshit timelines that mean jack poo poo because they're only going to get erased anyway, the better.
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Oct 14, 2016 13:31
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Phylodox posted:At this point, everything about this show and Arrow just feels so rote. They're not trying anything new or exciting anymore, they're just maybe tweaking the status quo a bit, probably only for an episode or two, and then getting back to the same tired melodrama and re-hashed
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Oct 14, 2016 13:46
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That was my point, they rushed through the meat of the Flashpoint storyline, which could have been an amazing, multiple series-spanning, season-long event, just to get back to the "meta-of-the-week building up to facing off against another speedster in the last episode or two" framework that defined the past two seasons. It's like they didn't even really want to do a Flashpoint story, they just wanted to check that off the list because it's a well known Flash story and fans want it.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:10
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Phylodox posted:That was my point, they rushed through the meat of the Flashpoint storyline, which could have been an amazing, multiple series-spanning, season-long event, just to get back to the "meta-of-the-week building up to facing off against another speedster in the last episode or two" framework that defined the past two seasons. It's like they didn't even really want to do a Flashpoint story, they just wanted to check that off the list because it's a well known Flash story and fans want it. I mean, that's the issue right there. They're not going to hijack 2 other series outright (Legends presumably could have worked in the framework) to tell a Flash story. Like you're an Arrow fan and you tune in from last season to find Ollie dead and his father running around in the suit or whatever and every few episodes the Flash shows up to whine about how he ruined the timeline. So you're options are: 1) do it season-long but half-rear end it - you'd have to make super minor changes to not piss off fans of the other shows which means you're basically again not even really doing it. This is also kind of what we're getting right now anyway. 2) do it season-long but isolate it to the Flash - well maybe Legends could fit into the framework since they're outside of time anyway. And actually you could have Supergirl's show be normal but Flash is like "great scott you're part of our universe now!" (but then again even then you're not doing a ruined Flashpoint timeline). So maybe just Arrow is isolated to its own thing. But then you get this flowchart of like, Arrow can only cross-over with Legends maybe since they're shifting between timelines, but otherwise the other 2 are off-limits for Arrow. So it's a trade-off of not being able to do the big 4 series crossover, or smaller crossovers between just two shows, and again, things still have to be somewhat "normal" for it to work. 3) do this as the big series crossover - this is what I would have preferred but then again it would have been really cool for Flash fans and potentially just confusing or boring for fans of the other shows. Like, again, you're watching arrow and then at the end of some episode there's a flash of light and things are different and it's like "find out what happens next in: Flashpoint!" And now you're watching a different show with no stakes for you and it's mostly about The Flash. But yeah, I don't think we were ever gonna get a proper Flashpoint just like we didn't get a proper Civil War because even though everyone likes to talk up the shared universes, we are just not at the point they were in the comics when they launched these big storylines that crossed over into a dozen series each and played off decades of shared history. Although to be perfectly frank I am not a huge fan of the Flashpoint storyline anyway, since it basically erased the timeline I was familiar with and brought in the mostly boring New 52, and the novelty of seeing evil Wonder Woman and Aquaman didn't really matter to me. I think we could have shelved the "Flashpoint" moniker for later and then this wouldn't have been as disappointing a premiere to some of its fans, but I am kinda glad its off the table.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:34
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What other flash megaevents are there even in the comics? It seems like they literally threw away the biggest subplot that exists for the comics. It was pretty much their age of apocalypse. I'm really trying to think of any. I'm not the biggest DC fan though. Ironically, there was a deadpool/X-force comic that was in the AoA timeline a few years ago that summed this up, when listening to the AoA problems. We don't care about your fake universe's problems.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:49
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I don't think there was really anything stopping Arrow from being part of a Flashpoint story. Everything was pretty much wrapped up at the end of last season, and Arrow is suffering badly from just treading water at this point. Shaking everything up could have been just the shot in the arm they needed. And Arrow wouldn't need to be closely tied to Flash's season arc; maybe explain why everything is different in the first episode and have Arrow engage in its own alternate universe hijinx until it's time to resolve Flashpoint, or set it up as a season-long sub-plot that someone on team Arrow (Thea, probably) knows things are wrong and is trying to figure it out. But, no, we're never gonna get anything like that. That's my problem, really, these DC shows don't seem to have any ambition, anymore.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:52
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Both Arrow episodes were a million times better than these Flash episodes, so keep that stink away.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:53
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Yeah Oliver is back to murdering people and Barry isn't. Both shows can't be good at the same time.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:55
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Was Arrow's second episode of this season better than the first? Because the first one made me not give a poo poo so hard that now I'm permanently constipated.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:02
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TLG James posted:
drat, now I want Barry to run back in time until he's back in his mother's womb and strangle himself with the umbilical cord.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:07
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Phylodox posted:I don't think there was really anything stopping Arrow from being part of a Flashpoint story. Everything was pretty much wrapped up at the end of last season, and Arrow is suffering badly from just treading water at this point. Shaking everything up could have been just the shot in the arm they needed. And Arrow wouldn't need to be closely tied to Flash's season arc; maybe explain why everything is different in the first episode and have Arrow engage in its own alternate universe hijinx until it's time to resolve Flashpoint, or set it up as a season-long sub-plot that someone on team Arrow (Thea, probably) knows things are wrong and is trying to figure it out. The least well-regarded season of Fringe is season 4 where they basically did this. They were never going to throw out four seasons of established characterizations (though admittedly there's some, er, flexibility in those characterizations) just for a gimmick season that's going to get unwound. That's a really solid way to alienate your viewers, a good chunk of whom don't give two shits about The Flash and just want to watch Ollie beat up mooks and/or stare longingly at Felicity.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:11
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Arrow is better when he murders people.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:12
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howe_sam posted:don't give two shits about The Flash and just want to stare longingly Ollie doing the salmon ladder. greatn posted:Arrow is better when he murders people. Haha my wife was blurted out, "yes he's loving back!" in episode 1. Then Thea had to make Ollie remember killing is bad.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:14
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She wasn't successful, he gutted a guy this week.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:15
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greatn posted:Arrow is better when he murders people. I think Arrow was better when he murdered people. Important distinction. The link is correlative, not causative.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:16
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Idunno Season 2 Arrow was p good and had minimal killing. Of course we all know where it went to poo poo though. I'm kind of liking how season 5 Arrow is starting out, but that's about it. The moment Felicity turns on the waterworks or some dumb bullshit happens again it's going off my "watch in the morning while checking emails and poo poo before work" list.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:20
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TLG James posted:What other flash megaevents are there even in the comics? It seems like they literally threw away the biggest subplot that exists for the comics. It was pretty much their age of apocalypse. It's admittedly the only megaevent that centers solely around the Flash. This is because they wanted to reboot the DCU and Geoff Johns had just revived Barry Allen* and loves the dude and I think wanted to do one big story about how he's basically the most important character in the DCU. But there are other big Flash stories and also other megaevents where Flash plays an important role. Crisis on Infinite Earths is the big one where Flash sacrifices himself to stop the end of the universe, and this lead to Wally growing up and taking the Flash mantle. He also has a pretty big role in Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and Final Crisis (yeah they use that word a lot). There's no other Flash-specific mega event, but then again there's not really one for most single heroes in the DCU, it's usually just everyone or else obviously Superman (Green Lantern had Blackest Night as well). *imo I think even Johns was somewhat torn up about the New 52, he had just revived Barry Allen and reworked the Flash family and the Rogues and was supposed to be writing that series for the foreseeable future; after Flashpoint he stopped writing the main series and hasn't come back. This is all speculation and is neither here nor there regarding the series though.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:36
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Guy A. Person posted:He also has a pretty big role in Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, and Final Crisis (yeah they use that word a lot). I could definitely see this version of Barry being tricked into running into a guy's sword.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:44
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Wheat Loaf posted:I could definitely see this version of Barry being tricked into running into a guy's sword. Anything to get Crixus back 
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Oct 14, 2016 16:46
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Wheat Loaf posted:I could definitely see this version of Barry being tricked into running into a guy's sword. Anything would be better than the Iris romance crap at this point.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:18
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How do we show it's the 90s? Flannel, Dawson's Creek on TV and Soul Asylum of the juke box.
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Oct 14, 2016 18:39
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Guy A. Person posted:I mean, that's the issue right there. They're not going to hijack 2 other series outright (Legends presumably could have worked in the framework) to tell a Flash story. Like you're an Arrow fan and you tune in from last season to find Ollie dead and his father running around in the suit or whatever and every few episodes the Flash shows up to whine about how he ruined the timeline. So you're options are: I think it could've done just fine isolated to just the Flash, it is an alternate timeline so it doesn't matter if the other shows acknowledge it. I just wanted to see a JL team up of some sort, across maybe a couple episodes at least. And not in the way they did it last season where green arrow appears from the shadows with a well placed arrow shot and then he goes back home. The flash/supergirl crossover was literally "hey, I'm here from an alternate universe", doing something like that would've been fine for flashpoint.
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Oct 14, 2016 19:02
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Or they could conceivably not have Norah Allen living be something the effects the gender of Diggle's child. Or anything in a city 600 miles away. I understand the whole "butterfly effect" thing, but it's also not hard to suspend your disbelief that maybe it wouldn't radiate outward that far, that quickly. I mean, what? Does she later run over an ARGUS platoon killing Lyla? It didn't have to affect other shows, given that it had only been ~15 years and the major event that it somehow changed was no metas, which apparently only largely occurred two years ago.
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Oct 14, 2016 19:05
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The more important change is no Flash. Really Oliver should be dead. Barry directly saved his life a couple of times.
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Oct 14, 2016 19:12
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No Butt Stuff posted:Or they could conceivably not have Norah Allen living be something the effects the gender of Diggle's child. Or anything in a city 600 miles away. I understand the whole "butterfly effect" thing, but it's also not hard to suspend your disbelief that maybe it wouldn't radiate outward that far, that quickly. I mean, what? Does she later run over an ARGUS platoon killing Lyla? Which sperm reaches the egg is probably one of the things most susceptible to butterfly effect shenanigans.
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Oct 14, 2016 19:40
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THF13 posted:Which sperm reaches the egg is probably one of the things most susceptible to butterfly effect shenanigans. My money is on they couldn't get a male baby actor to match the previous season's one
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Oct 14, 2016 19:46
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Prediction: Flashpoint being 'fixed' in the first episode is a trick. We are actually watching the real flashpoint right now, and it will continue until the big crossover, when it'll finally get 'fixed'. Either that or Barry just goes on with the knowledge that he has irrevocably hosed up everyone else's lives.
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Oct 14, 2016 20:02
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WarLocke posted:Prediction: Flashpoint being 'fixed' in the first episode is a trick. We are actually watching the real flashpoint right now, and it will continue until the big crossover, when it'll finally get 'fixed'. Until using his super speed makes him forget that anything ever happened.
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Oct 14, 2016 20:24
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WarLocke posted:Prediction: Flashpoint being 'fixed' in the first episode is a trick. We are actually watching the real flashpoint right now, and it will continue until the big crossover, when it'll finally get 'fixed'. Don't worry, he'll fix it. By running faster. And maybe giving time another wedgie. Peptalks may be involved, as most likely will absolution from all guilt by his friends.
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Oct 14, 2016 20:57
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tsob posted:Don't worry, he'll fix it. By running faster. And maybe giving time another wedgie. Peptalks may be involved, as most likely will absolution from all guilt by his friends. One of them will have a dark secret though. Also, where the gently caress is wells, he is the reason I watch this show!
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Oct 14, 2016 21:12
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Bozart posted:Also, where the gently caress is wells, he is the reason I watch this show! Next week you impatient sumbitch
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Oct 14, 2016 22:45
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Cool a new season! Annnnnnnd the villan is... ANOTHER SPEEDSTER!! WOW! OH! Also he hosed up the timeline, again! C'mon guys you can do better than this.
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Oct 15, 2016 07:11
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Dr Alchemy isn't a speedster.
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Oct 15, 2016 08:35
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Bruceski posted:Dr Alchemy isn't a speedster. TBF we don't know that. If it is Draco Malfoy he got across town pretty quick after all...
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Oct 15, 2016 14:53
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Dr. Alchemy is going to turn the lead of a mediocre second season into solid TV gold.
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Oct 15, 2016 15:07
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At least the Rival isn't another superior speedster, Barry's whipped him pretty good twice now.
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Guy A. Person posted:TBF we don't know that. If it is Draco Malfoy he got across town pretty quick after all... Well so did Cisco
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