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Leperflesh posted:I'm inclined to vote for it because gently caress drug companies and yay lower medical costs, but there's a good chance it's fundamentally unworkable and will be a disaster. Supposedly. If drug companies decide they'd rather sell none of a drug to the most populous state in the union than sell it at a price they already agreed to with the VA. There are a couple possible scenarios if the bill passes, I'll repost the California Legislative Analyst's take. The biggest worry isn't the bill simply being a waste of time. The biggest worry is that the drug companies will just raise the VA prices to what the other agencies would normally be paying anyway, and the end result of the bill would be an increase in drug prices. In fact, that's what big pharma did when congress tried a similar bill with Medicade. quote:Scenario #1: Drug Manufacturers Offer Lowest VA Prices to the State. If manufacturers choose to offer the lowest VA prescription drug prices to the state, this measure may achieve state savings to the extent that the lowest price paid by the VA is lower than that paid by state entities. However, these savings could be at least partially offset if manufacturers respond by raising the prices of other drugs paid for by the state but not purchased by the VA.
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I feel like tying prices to what the VA pays is only tiptoeing around the edges of the real factors affecting drug prices.
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Leperflesh posted:And Jill Stein is insane, so Here's a WaPo article on exactly that . She's not an anti-vaxx truther, she's distrustful of corporate influence inside the CDC. That's a position I can get behind . Single Payer Healthcare, everything else continues to be a farce. Eat the rich.
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A White Guy posted:Here's a WaPo article on exactly that . She's not an anti-vaxx truther, she's distrustful of corporate influence inside the CDC. That's a position I can get behind . http://gizmodo.com/now-jill-stein-thinks-wi-fi-might-be-hurting-kids-1784664503 uh huh
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A White Guy posted:Here's a WaPo article on exactly that . She's not an anti-vaxx truther, she's distrustful of corporate influence inside the CDC. That's a position I can get behind . I'm kinda failing to see the relevance of "I don't trust vaccines because Monsanto". Unless it's "I don't trust vaccines because Monsanto makes ones that cause autism".
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A White Guy posted:Here's a WaPo article on exactly that . She's not an anti-vaxx truther, she's distrustful of corporate influence inside the CDC. That's a position I can get behind . She does think we need to keep wifi away from kids
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Artificer posted:http://gizmodo.com/now-jill-stein-thinks-wi-fi-might-be-hurting-kids-1784664503  Reminder that we're not exactly electing the best and brightest here. Gary Johnson didn't know what an Aleppo is. Hillary Clinton tried to insinuate that Bernie Sanders didn't care about black people (despite that whole "I literally marched with MLK" thing). Trump has...well, I don't think I really need to elaborate on that point.
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A White Guy posted:Hillary Clinton tried to insinuate that Bernie Sanders didn't care about black people (despite that whole "I literally marched with MLK" thing). The "I have a black friend" of politics.
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Should I vote for Sanders or Harambe? I mean, Clinton's gonna win California anyways, but it's the thought that counts. EDIT: I meant Colonel Sanders. gently caress I forgot about Bernie. GenderSelectScreen fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Oct 14, 2016 17:34
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I'm writing in Erdogan
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I'm voting for Clinton even though in California it's a given she wins, because I want to help inflate the national vote total for her. It's meaningless in an electoral college vote, but press will still publish and promote and endlessly talk about the grand total and sometimes it's even used to declare the winner to have "a mandate" (or not). Also even though I'm not enthused about Clinton, I think a lot of people are gonna wake up on November 9th and say "holy poo poo, we're going to have an actual woman as president" and I want to be part of that. I'm gonna help elect the first woman president ever. I also helped elect the first black president ever. 
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I'm voting Clinton because I think she's legitimately the best candidate on the ballot by a pretty wide margin. Also the Democrats this year have a very progressive platform (by Democratic standards), and Hillary's platform in particular has a lot of good stuff in it, and I think voting for them now that they have moved left encourages them to continue moving left.
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How boring. You should have fun with your throwaway vote.  EDIT: And before anyone says anything: seriously vote for your local stuff, since that actually matters. GenderSelectScreen fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:How boring. You should have fun with your throwaway vote.
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i'm a single-issue voter who will only vote for a candidate who's not an anti-vaxxer that pretty much leaves hillary clinton, so...
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Well if you're going to have fun voting third party, how's Peace And Freedom? They seem decent from a cursory glance, but with that kind of nanoparty you never know if they have some completely awful view that you've just happened to miss.
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I voted Hillary since I want her to crush Trump in the popular vote as well.
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Instant Sunrise posted:i'm in anaheim and our congressional race is between a democratic state senator who votes party line and lists no actual positions on his website and the gay mayor of garden grove who is trying to challenge from the left (also a democrat) I actually got to meet Lou Correa in one of my classes and he was an alright guy in person. He outright identified as an Orange County Democrat so "relatively conservative" and he said he wasn't looking forward to the inevitable "pot wars"  He's probably going to win against Bao Nguyen given that there's been some older conservative Vietnamese apprehension about him due to him being gay and coming against the community on some anti-Nam stuff. Bao's pretty cool, he led a protest against John McCain when he came to Westminster (or one of the other Little Saigons) for his 2000 campaign.
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VikingofRock posted:Well if you're going to have fun voting third party, how's Peace And Freedom? They seem decent from a cursory glance, but with that kind of nanoparty you never know if they have some completely awful view that you've just happened to miss. I was honestly shocked to see them on the ballot. I have not heard a peep about them or their candidate this election.
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Last time Peace and Freedom ran Roseanne Barr and and I recall her public statements being full of "gently caress trannies" and "gently caress Palestinians" so that's about all you need to know.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:I was honestly shocked to see them on the ballot. I have not heard a peep about them or their candidate this election. The only time I recall Peace and Freedom getting any attention was when they nominated Roseanne as their Pres candidate. They're basically the Green Party but actually leftist. I imagine they have the same proportion of kooks as any minor party, though. ^^^Edit: I forgot she ran such a lovely campaign, but that's the risk you run when you nominate a celebrity for the sole purpose of getting attention. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/about-us/platform/summary-platform Lots of stuff in the platform to like, lots that is ridiculously impractical, and some basic failures in understanding. (For example: corporate personhood is essential in that it permits corporations to sign contracts, without which there cannot be corporations at all, so "eliminate corporate personhood" is a call to eliminate incorporation entirely. The stated goal is to eliminate the "right" of corporations to spend money as free speech, which is actually a much narrower and more achievable/practical goal.) Basically I think the party's platform is adorable. There's a lot that I like. I assume it's infested with crazies and idiots, per our previous discussion.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:I actually got to meet Lou Correa in one of my classes and he was an alright guy in person. He outright identified as an Orange County so "relatively conservative" and he said he wasn't looking forward to the inevitable "pot wars" yeah the thing that honestly bothers me the most about correa is that he doesn't have any actual positions listed anywhere that i can seem to find, so i'm reduced to looking up scorecards from progressive orgs to figure out what his actual positions are.
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Anyone have a good writeup on prop 57, I'm having a hard time with this one.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Anyone have a good writeup on prop 57, I'm having a hard time with this one. Vote yes. https://lwvc.org/vote/elections/ballot-recommendations/prop-57-public-safety-and-rehabilitation-act http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-end-proposition-57-20161004-snap-story.html http://www.peterates.com/props-1116.shtml#prop57
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Anyone have a good writeup on prop 57, I'm having a hard time with this one. it cuts down on the number of children tried as adults, by making it the judge who decides to try kids as adults rather than the prosecutors, who have been increasingly trying kids as adults for no real reason, even though crimes committed by kids has been dropping. vote yes on it.
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I work in a DA's office and everyone here is real salty about Prop 57. Vote yes if you want to piss off some DAs (I'm voting yes).
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Prosecutors have wayyyy too much discretion, especially where it comes to coercing defendants into plea bargains. And the fact we elect them makes it worse, because they invariably run on a "get tough on crime" platform that translates to "as many convictions as possible with the longest sentences possible, no matter what." The idea that these people will exercise "discretion" when they're so heavily incentivized not to is crazy. If we can't somehow make them appointed instead of elected (can we do that?) the next best thing is to reign in their discretion in every way possible.
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Yeah the argument against was basically "But that makes it harder for us DA's to use plea bargains!  " so it's 100% a yes vote for me.e. Also Loretta Sanchez is apparently against so double down on that yes vote. Sydin fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Mandatory Minimum Sentencing is the loving worst and needs to go away yesterday.
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I always vote for whatever will make DAs angriest. Much of what's wrong with our justice system can be traced back to them being given too much leeway to advance their career at the expense of the less fortunate and too few checks on their prosecutorial power.
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So what's the deal with Harris and Sanchez? I remember hearing stuff about the former not pursuing cases that she should and stuff that makes her sound not great, but the latter hasn't had much good about her that I've heard either. I mean, from the sounds of it Harris is going to crush her (and I half-jokingly asked my dad which of the two he's voting for, since he's super conservative, and he started ranting about Harris, which indicates she's probably the better option anyway), so it might not matter, but a quick breakdown there would be nice. Also there are a couple of Fresno County-specific things on here about amending the Fresno County Charter. Is there anyone here more familiar with these specific issues? These look like they were written to be impenetrable to people not already familiar with what they're about.
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Roland Jones posted:So what's the deal with Harris and Sanchez? I remember hearing stuff about the former not pursuing cases that she should and stuff that makes her sound not great, but the latter hasn't had much good about her that I've heard either. I mean, from the sounds of it Harris is going to crush her (and I half-jokingly asked my dad which of the two he's voting for, since he's super conservative, and he started ranting about Harris, which indicates she's probably the better option anyway), so it might not matter, but a quick breakdown there would be nice. I live in Sanchez's district, she's literally a Blue Dog Democrat. On top of that she's had a history of saying racist poo poo. Don't vote for her.
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Instant Sunrise posted:I live in Sanchez's district, she's literally a Blue Dog Democrat. Oh boy, I hadn't heard that yet. Thanks for the info. Was already against her for the reasons you quoted, but, jeez.
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I voted for Harris, but I had to google which one said the racist poo poo because I had forgotten about it, and I came across this monument to Right wing nutjobs . Apparently not choosing to fight a losing fight against gay rights makes you a fascist  .But yeah, Sanchez said some pretty racist and asinine poo poo, don't vote for her.
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Okay, yeah, Harris it is. On props, meanwhile, trying to make sure I have this right. A lot of my info is coming from voter guides I've seen (particularly the League of Women Voters and the California Progressive Voter Guide), so I'm not sure if I'm missing anything important. Prop 51: School bill, does something important but might favor the wrong people or something? Leaning yes. Prop 52: Extends Medi-Cal fee that exists to help children. Primary critique is that it'd be better to take care of through the legislative process. Leaning yes. Prop 53: Some right-wing rear end in a top hat wants to block infrastructure projects. No. Prop 54: LWV is for, while the CPVG is 2-3 for-against, which seems odd to me. (and is the only thing on the latter where the votes aren't all unanimous or neutral). Transparency seems great to me, so what's the downside here? Something about attack ads? Prop 55: Tax the rich to fund healthcare and education. Yes. Prop 56: Cigarette tax. CPVG is in favor here but the LWV is neutral, and someone here has redtext calling them racist for supporting it. What's up? Prop 57: Reform how children are tried under the legal system and stuff. Yes. Prop 58: Repeal the ban on bilingual education. Yes. Prop 59: Tells our reps to oppose Citizen's United, which... Seems like a really odd thing to make a proposition? Prop 60: A bunch of stuff relating to porn. Mandates condom usage in porn, makes the guy who wrote the initiative a state employee who monitors all the porn, and makes the identities of porn actors public. That last one seems like reason to oppose this in and of itself because it sounds like a big violation of privacy; is that the case, or...? Prop 61: Something to lower the cost of medicine that could wind up backfiring because the people responsible for said prices being so high could just gently caress things up even more. Tentative yes? Prop 62: No more death penalty. Yes. Prop 63: Various gun safety measures that my dad would be so pissed if he knew I supported. Yes. Prop 64: Marijuana legalization. Yes. Prop 65: Something involving plastic bags but is not actually an environmentalist measure in the slightest. No. Prop 66: Fasttrack the death penalty. No. Prop 67: Another plastic bag thing, but actually good this time. Yes. Anything I'm missing there? Anyone able to provide more info on 54, 56, and 60, among others? Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Man if I could dupe the public into giving me a salary as the state's Designated Porn Watcher I'd hella try to get that passed.
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