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Instant Sunrise posted:Basically Michigan has a constitutional amendment that states that if a city is running a deficit, the state can appoint an Emergency Manager who takes over from and can do whatever without much the city government or city residents can do about it. And as I understand it, the water is still bad? As in, they still haven't fixed it?
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Stacks posted:Anti-Hillary lefties own "Guys I just don't know if we should unite against fascists!" Also, PEC just ticked up to 98% hilldawg victory.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:58
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Stacks posted:Anti-Hillary lefties own There's a difference between "I am going to criticize Hillary for policies I don't agree with" and "I am going to be mad we don't have a perfect leftist candidate and be smugly morally superior to others about not supporting the imperfect candidate that's good."
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Oct 15, 2016 05:59
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:Eh there's so many at this point the general populace is going to see it as white noise That...really shouldn't be the case. Also, who would flop back to Trump at this point? Like, if you're not his base, who waffles back? How can Hil's lead diminish, barring scandal, this far into the election? I wonder if the decrease in the polls are a selection thing.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:59
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Yes. I volunteered for Sanders during the primary and volunteer in my city for mayoral and city council races. State races are a little more difficult because most of our choices are economic black holes because of who they're competing against and we don't have much funding. That's awesome. I am genuinely glad to hear that. State races are clusterfucks unfortunately but we gotta persevere!
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Oct 15, 2016 06:00
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Stacks posted:Anti-Hillary lefties own Actually you're still just about the dumbest poster in this entire thread. Enjoy not being able to choose between fascism and not-fascism though.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:00
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:Eh there's so many at this point the general populace is going to see it as white noise The Trump accusers are currently THE story on every media network there is aside from the standard conservative outlets. No one is drowning it out.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:00
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Covok posted:That...really shouldn't be the case. Maybe you're such a low information voter that you just change your mind randomly? I have no idea. There's no one left who is in the tank for Donald except people who absolutely never turn away from him. Similarly, I don't think he has any mechanism to increase his support; he's probably at the absolute nadir of what a Presidential candidate in America can actually get in the popular vote.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:00
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Seriously I'm all for criticizing Hillary. Please god if she sucks and decides to declare war on syria or some poo poo I hope to god she loving gets run against in the democratic party in 2020.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:00
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Covok posted:That...really shouldn't be the case. We honestly haven't seen the effects of The Groping yet. I'm also going to guess that the GOP stopping (for now) their total rout of running from Donald stopped the panic in their voters for the second. They're probably doing so because a lot of their voters want them to back the nominee no matter what and polling also showed no-one is giving them credit for backing down from him now anyway, so they're just going to cling as hard as they can for now.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:01
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Covok posted:I respect your opinion on the matter and it was correct in hindsight, but I make no apologies for how I felt back then. Nor should you. None of us can control how we react in circumstances as extreme as that, and it's not like the pacifism of a random teenager was doing the world any particular good at the time.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:01
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Covok posted:That...really shouldn't be the case. I dunno if people will go back to Trump if new Clinton scandals crop up. I imagine people will be pushed away from both at that point and be altogether discouraged.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:01
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StrixNebulosa posted:And as I understand it, the water is still bad? As in, they still haven't fixed it? It is orders of magnitudes more expensive to fix than the cost-cutting measures were supposed to save. So yes.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:01
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Covok posted:That...really shouldn't be the case. Third debate + some kind of nebulous October surprise for Hillary. That's basically the worst case scenario right now and even then she probably walks away with 300 EVs easy.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:01
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Night10194 posted:"Guys I just don't know if we should unite against fascists!" It's like that part in It Can't Happen Here where all the leftists are still arguing about the minutiae of socialism after they've been locked up as political prisoners
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Oct 15, 2016 06:02
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lozzle posted:Actually you're still just about the dumbest poster in this entire thread. Enjoy not being able to choose between fascism and not-fascism though. Oh, wait, that guy wasn't joking and making fun of those posts, was he. Yeah, that guy's an idiot.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:02
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StrixNebulosa posted:This is the single best thing I've ever seen in these forums. This is like the one thing keeping me positive and optimistic atm 
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StrixNebulosa posted:And as I understand it, the water is still bad? As in, they still haven't fixed it? yep. and yeah as people on the previous page posted, it was voted down by a huge majority by referendum, but rammed through on a budget bill anyway.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:03
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Lightning Knight posted:Third debate + some kind of nebulous October surprise for Hillary. What chance is there of the 3rd debate even happening now? last I checked, the chatter was that Donald was going to be put in an untenable position because he'd have to plead the 5th on national television. Was that just wishful thinking or have things changed?
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Night10194 posted:We honestly haven't seen the effects of The Groping yet. Inb4 n-word tap drop. Also, why does Nate Silvers keep saying McMillian taking Utah could mean a tied election? Clinton was never going to win it so how does that matter? You get what I mean?
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Covok posted:Inb4 n-word tap drop. Like I said prior, Nate thirsty for them clicks.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:04
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Covok posted:Inb4 n-word tap drop. The N-word tape is the least surprising scandal about Donald I've ever heard and, knowing the kind of people who support him, I doubt it moves the needle at all. There's nothing left to take away from his support at this point. He's got his true believers.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:05
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Penisaurus Sex posted:What chance is there of the 3rd debate even happening now? Clinton and Trump have both said they look forward to the third debate.
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Covok posted:Think the seven (and growing) accusers will pushin Hil back up? I think we're at 11 right now. Almost up to 1/3 of a Cosby clusterfuck.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:What chance is there of the 3rd debate even happening now? Third debate is his home game, with Fox. He'll go and just deny everything and Hillary will get bogged down in dumb email questions.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:06
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Dexo posted:Jill Stein has consistently shown she doesn't know how the government works. Has never been elected to a serious public office and has nothing what so ever to show that she would be capable of running the highest loving office in the land. If you are considering a third party vote hold them to the same loving standards that you would an actual candidate. Jill Stein can say literally anything she wants because she knows she's not winning and thus can promise every pie in the sky thing. Jill Stein is woefully underqualified to be the president of the United States. Like gently caress Gary Johnson, but like he's at least been a governor of a state, and "theoretically" has experience as a public official. Hillary is literally the only candidate worth a loving drat that's running this year. Like seriously look at Hillary's voting record, look at poo poo she's actually done. She's nowhere near as much of a centrist or hawk as people make her out to be. https://twitter.com/whitepants/status/787105144911593472
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StrixNebulosa posted:And as I understand it, the water is still bad? As in, they still haven't fixed it? The pipes were ruined, is the thing, so while the issue is that the people are getting poisoned water the actual source of the water (as long as it goes through the pipes at least) may as well not matter now, as far as I understand it, because the pipes will contaminate it with lead anyway. So, yeah. Still bad, and still far from being fixed.
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Gyges posted:I think we're at 11 right now. Almost up to 1/3 of a Cosby clusterfuck. What account is the most recent to have taken place?
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Does it help if I say that I'm in probably the absolute safest Red state in the entire election and plan on voting for mostly Democrats and independents at the local level? Then why are you fretting about who to vote for or if it matters? You don't get a vote on the presidential election out side of make believe in the first place.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:What chance is there of the 3rd debate even happening now? Fox News is hosting the debate, a Fox host is running it, Bill kicked the poo poo out of him and humiliated him on live TV 15 years ago, the topics are almost all things potentially favorable to Donald, and Fox is really, really trying to stop the bleeding to keep this closer for the downballot. It's going to be an ambush for Hillary and she's probably still going to kill Donald IF he shows up, but they're going to try to put the knife in, I think.
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It's a "this is technically possible thing", it's not anywhere near likely. It involves McMuffin taking Utah when the other two are more or less tied, bringing them both under the cutoff and then Congress choosing McMuffin since they choose if no one gets a majority.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Nor should you. None of us can control how we react in circumstances as extreme as that, and it's not like the pacifism of a random teenager was doing the world any particular good at the time. Eh, head's up: this is going to be probably tone deaf and all over the map, but bear with me for a sec. Outside of being a brilliant comedy show that has stood up fairly well over the past decade, I think Arrested Development might have been an accidental barometer. The thing I keep on coming back to is them lampooning the free speech zones that were Definitely A Real Thing and how incredibly on the nose it was.
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Lightning Knight posted:There's a difference between "I am going to criticize Hillary for policies I don't agree with" and "I am going to be mad we don't have a perfect leftist candidate and be smugly morally superior to others about not supporting the imperfect candidate that's good." Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: SWEET MOTHER OF gently caress ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS poo poo?!?! DONALD TRUMP IS THE NEXT HITLER! HE'S MING THE MERCILESS! VOLDEMORT IN THE FLESH! loving CHRIST CAN YOU JUST NOT DO THIS?! WE'RE IN THE FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES HERE!!!!!! Like, I get that goons in this thread are mostly centrists so no one is going to have sympathy here but Trump never had a chance. Appealing solely to a dwindling demographic was a massive misfire. He was doomed from the start.
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My enduring memory of the W. presidency post 9/11 is that everything was very off. Like you were living in a satire of reality and couldn't get out, or you were waking up every morning with a medium fever. It was incredibly strange and I'm glad we got out of it as a country.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:You know what, throwing all my "angry black girl" rep on this one: I'm with you. It's actually okay to have empathy for more than one type of person. We don't have to fight over this. When I lost my job years ago and I had to go group interviews at a bunch of different companies black people were always the first to be cut out of the process. It didn't matter if they were qualified, or if they put up a good showing during the interview. They were just cut. It always ended up being the same group of people making it through to the end and I was always a part of it. I'm a tall white guy and everyone else at the last stage was too. It is impossible to walk away from that without feeling sympathy for how hard minorities can have it. One thing that I never hear about that I think is massively important is how the cards are stacked against people going into an interview for a white collar job. If you don't have just the right kind of resume, you get cut. If you show up and you aren't dressed "properly" you get cut. If you don't have someone holding your hand through the process which includes having someone dress you, you will get cut. Some of that goes for white people too, especially dressing properly and getting your resume formatting down, but minorities don't have the same pool of resources white people have. For example, I had a friend in college that graduated with honors and was an upstanding well spoken black dude that should never have had a problem landing a decent starting position. The problem was he was never taught how to use the right buzzwords on a resume. I had the same problem until I started dating a girl that went to a business school and had a temp gig at a recruiting office. He never got call backs from anyone and he never knew what he was doing wrong. My girlfriend, now fiance, showed him how to set everything up because he just didn't know any better. People in his family never went through the process so he just didn't have anyone to show him how to do it. gently caress, my dad was in the corporate world for 30 years and even he wasn't sure how to set everything up for how modern HR departments look at everything. He also didn't know how to dress himself for an interview. He always looked like he was getting ready for prom (black shirt, black suit, gaudy colorful tie). That was an easy fix, but until someone told him it didn't look right he just didn't see it. Was any of this his fault? gently caress no, but he didn't have the support system a ton of white people had to help steer him in the right direction. It's the equivalent of teaching someone a secret handshake where if you don't know it you're just hosed. Once he polished up his image a bit he landed a good job and is now a loan officer making more money than anyone I know. Could he have figured it out eventually? Maybe, but it shouldn't have been a barrier in the first place. It's totally stacked and when people say poo poo like "oh well it's hard for white people too" they can get hosed.
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Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: Stacks posted:It should be pointed out that there's a difference between a leftist and your garden variety American Liberal. No leftist would/should vote for Hillary Clinton for example. Her foreign policy alone is a disqualifier. ^^^this is stupid as hell^^^
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Phone posted:Eh, head's up: this is going to be probably tone deaf and all over the map, but bear with me for a sec. Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: Hahahaa yeah buddy that's the problem, insufficient leftisms. We're just too moderate to understand your righteous political principles
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"Guys I just can't bring myself to vote against the fascist because I'm too morally superior." is the most annoying poo poo in this cycle. It's not the WORST poo poo; that's everything about Trump. But it's the most annoying.
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I think that if we could have an honest discussion about where the Democratic party is going, absent the constant threat of a Republican burning our entire country to the ground, it would be a good thing for everyone involved. The Democratic coalition is really, really big, and figuring out how to hold it together and move forward on a decided plan of action is an effective plan moving forward, IMO. That said, we aren't really in a situation where we have the room to discuss things and come to a consensus among the party voting blocs, so.
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:I'm in Oregon. Trump pulled his last staffer out months ago. There isn't a chance Trump wins the state(and I don't want him to), and as a dirty socialist I'm not a fan of Clinton. I keep thinking "Hey, I'm free to throw my vote away on Jill Stein without repercussion!" but she keeps making it so drat hard. If you're really a socialist I hope you consider Glora La Riva from the Party of Socialism and Liberation instead of Stein. From the IFCI: quote:An examination of the most recent platform of the Green Party, ratified in July of 2014, demonstrates the reactionary character of the party’s politics. The Green Party is a bourgeois party, representing the interests of privileged strata of the upper-middle class. It is steeped in nationalism, defends capitalist property relations and opposes the political independence of the working class. Not to mention that Stein is a Russian stooge who at this point is one step away from openly campaigning for Trump.
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