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Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: Not sure the full context, but, when fat orange dumb Darth Sidous wants to become supreme chancellor (I've been watching a lot of Star Wars, okay?), telling everyone to band together agsinst an existential threat to democracy is humam nature.
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lozzle posted:^^^this is stupid as hell^^^ Just ignore stacks, he's not the King of the liberals, he just plays it on internet forums.
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Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: I'm a progressive/socialist/whatever who registered as an independent in California because I dislike the Democrats as a whole (and was still feeling the anti-establishment frustration at the time), I wholeheartedly supported Sanders in the primary, and I'm telling you, please, please don't vote third party at the national level, unless maybe you're a Republican who's fleeing Trump but can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary or something (which you presumably aren't). It's dumb and a waste of your time and if you understand our voting system at all you know it won't accomplish anything because neither party cares at all about your vote. A vote for Hillary is also technically a vote for the Democrat party platform, as drafted in large part by Sanders supporters. If you want, think of it as voting for that, or voting for gay marriage, legal abortion, or whatever other thing the Republicans would strip from us if they won. It's a vote against gay conversion therapy, delegitimizing trans people, and everything else the Republicans put on their abhorrent party platform. Hillary's just the necessary representative of those things here.
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The thing that occurs to me about those $55m which would have to be spent to replace the Flint water pipes is: Who do you think is going to get that contract? I bet you the emergency manager gets to pick who gets that contract, and I'm sure there is some Republican-associated pipe person who would be pleased as punch to do it for $55 million. Or perhaps more like $80m once all the graft and laziness is factored in.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:14
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Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: Donald Trump is literally a fascist and leftists should take the looming threat of fascism seriously always. Also lmao at "most of the goons here are centrist." An overwhelmingly large number of us are explicitly far left or socialist. Again, don't be smugly morally superior about voting, it's annoying and dumb.
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There's also the simple fact that with one side saying the election will be rigged and already pushing violent rhetoric, a decisive victory would be really loving good right now. Fascism getting rejected HARD is necessary this cycle.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:14
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I agree with you but I'll be honest I don't really connect what you said with what I said. But you're right! About being a (teenage) pacifist in 2001 was a nonstarter. If you posited any sort of skepticism of the first Bush administration, you obviously hate America, etc, etc. And if you actually went to go exercise your 1A right to protest, you got ferried to a playpen 2 miles down the road where you'd be both out of sight and out of mind.
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On Terra Firma posted:When I lost my job years ago and I had to go group interviews at a bunch of different companies black people were always the first to be cut out of the process. It didn't matter if they were qualified, or if they put up a good showing during the interview. They were just cut. It always ended up being the same group of people making it through to the end and I was always a part of it. I'm a tall white guy and everyone else at the last stage was too. It is impossible to walk away from that without feeling sympathy for how hard minorities can have it. That's a pretty good argument that it's easier for the average poor whiter person to get out of poverty than the average poor black person. Which I don't think anyone disagreed with
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On Terra Firma posted:It's totally stacked and when people say poo poo like "oh well it's hard for white people too" they can get hosed.  All of that is very well said and definitely the kind of argument I'd usually be making. Maybe I'm just tired. It's okay for non-POCs to have problems and talk about them here too. We're all in this together.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:15
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Nessus posted:The thing that occurs to me about those $55m which would have to be spent to replace the Flint water pipes is: Who do you think is going to get that contract? at this point? every plumber within 100 miles
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Oct 15, 2016 06:16
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Night10194 posted:There's also the simple fact that with one side saying the election will be rigged and already pushing violent rhetoric, a decisive victory would be really loving good right now. Fascism getting rejected HARD is necessary this cycle. Not to say we don't need to get that number up, but let's do it for the House and the Senate, not to somehow hypothetically shut them up.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:17
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Guy Goodbody posted:That's a pretty good argument that it's easier for the average poor whiter person to get out of poverty than the average poor black person. Which I don't think anyone disagreed with "White people have it bad too" is extremely tone deaf given the situation POC are in.
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Covok posted:Inb4 n-word tap drop. Maybe this? http://www.270towin.com/maps/oJoW7
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Oct 15, 2016 06:18
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Guy Goodbody posted:That's a pretty good argument that it's easier for the average poor whiter person to get out of poverty than the average poor black person. Which I don't think anyone disagreed with During CC chat earlier today, someone kept on bringing up some Citi card, as if they were working on commission, that anyone for realsies can get approved for in response to "yeah, POC usually can't get a normal credit card".
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Oct 15, 2016 06:18
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Lamb Chowder posted:What account is the most recent to have taken place? According to this timeline, 2013. That's assuming of course either no new allegations have been made since 3:30 on the 14th or that page is constantly updated.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:18
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Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: Okay, I'll bite: other than the fact that she voted for the Iraq war, what don't you like about Hillary Clinton?
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Oct 15, 2016 06:19
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lozzle posted:"White people have it bad too" is extremely tone deaf given the situation POC are in.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:19
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A few pages back, there was discussion of why not to vote Stein, even in a safe state. I propose the ultimate "gently caress you" to Stein for those who dislike Clinton and can afford a protest vote, but are also smart enough to recognize that Stein in unworthy of even a thrown away vote: Write in Elizabeth May  (She was even born in America!)
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Phone posted:About being a (teenage) pacifist in 2001 was a nonstarter. Oh yeah, very true. Although my personal experience at the time was my mom protesting the war, and nobody puts her in a box because she's 
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show your moral superiority by staying home wait people actually do that, gently caress
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Oct 15, 2016 06:20
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lozzle posted:"White people have it bad too" is extremely tone deaf given the situation POC are in. Poverty is an incredibly terrible thing and we should do everything we can to make sure that no one living in America lives in poverty. It's easier for a white person to get out of poverty because institutional racism is a sad reality of our society, but that also doesn't mean that it is 'easy' in any case to escape poverty. It's hard for someone with a systemic advantage, and drat near impossible for people whom the system has decided aren't worthy of that advantage. I think the fact that there are places where there is no hope of ever moving beyond the social strata that you're born into is one of the most heinous things in America today, no matter who lives in those communities.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:21
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SurgicalOntologist posted:If you're really a socialist I hope you consider Glora La Riva from the Party of Socialism and Liberation instead of Stein. Ever since I saw her website, I can't help but reiterate my opposition to Gloria La Riva when her name comes up. Why? She has listed her support for the current Venezuelan government before her support for immigrant rights, her attempts to fight sexism and racism and her support for gay rights, and I can't help but read that as a clear statement of her priorities being far more reactively "any government that is socialist is automatically good" than genuinely caring about the working poor in this country. Go read through the last few pages of the Venezuela thread to see why this discredits La Riva in my eyes, because it's pretty effing dire to be touting Venezuela these days (why, just today someone posted about cannibalism in their prison system due to ongoing starvation!) That being said, I'll give credit where credit is due and agree that her running mate Dennis Banks seems legit. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Stacks posted:Every time I've levied even the smallest criticism of Hillary Clintion I get this response from liberals: Really? I feel like the thread has been middling at best on Clinton's foreign policy. I think that the general consensus among Sanders supporters is "she's less progressive than I like, and I disagree with her positions on X and Y, but she's still good overall" Can you point to someone in this thread attacking you over valid criticism? Obviously there are people out there who would do that, I just haven't run into them and I'm not convinced that they're all that common
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Oct 15, 2016 06:23
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Ever since I saw her website, I can't help but reiterate my opposition to Gloria La Riva when her name comes up. Wait there are people that support the Venezuelan government??? 
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Oct 15, 2016 06:24
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One more time for the night!  Donate to RAINN because Trump is a piece of poo poo [  Thank you all so much for all the USPOL support on this.
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Lil' Jon confirms Trump nicknamed him "Uncle Tom" on Celebrity Apprentice.
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lozzle posted:Wait there are people that support the Venezuelan government??? People who believe that 100% of Venezuela's problems are due to US intervention and/or tankies.
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Roland Jones posted:please, please don't vote third party at the national level, unless maybe you're a Republican who's fleeing Trump but can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary or something (which you presumably aren't). It's dumb and a waste of your time and if you understand our voting system at all you know it won't accomplish anything because neither party cares at all about your vote. Doesn't matter, bro. My vote is irrelevant. Hillary's got this on lockdown. Her victory is a forgone conclusion. Might as well start discussing her awful policies. Best case scenario, she does an about face and takes a hard left turn. Hopefully we don't have a repeat of Iraq or Honduras.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:she voted for the Iraq war SWEET MOTHER OF gently caress ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS poo poo?!?! DONALD TRUMP IS THE NEXT HITLER! HE'S MING THE MERCILESS! VOLDEMORT IN THE FLESH! loving CHRIST CAN YOU JUST NOT DO THIS?! WE'RE IN THE FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES HERE!!!!!!
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Neo_Crimson posted:People who believe that 100% of Venezuela's problems are due to US intervention and/or tankies. Pretty sure she's the former, not the latter, but tankiehood can't be ruled out: https://twitter.com/GloriaLaRiva/status/785295889287876609 https://twitter.com/GloriaLaRiva/status/783721058276773888 https://twitter.com/GloriaLaRiva/status/775823885254008836 EDIT: Also she retweets Sputnik. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Stacks posted:Doesn't matter, bro. My vote is irrelevant. Hillary's got this on lockdown. Her victory is a forgone conclusion. Might as well start discussing her awful policies. Best case scenario, she does an about face and takes a hard left turn. Hopefully we don't have a repeat of Iraq or Honduras. No, your vote adds to her popular vote tally, which when raised high enough serves as a full throated condemnation of Trump. It's a minuscule addition, true, but there is not nobility or purity to be had in throwing your vote away in the American political system.
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Oct 15, 2016 06:34
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lozzle posted:"White people have it bad too" is extremely tone deaf given the situation POC are in. Being poor is bad for everyone. A white person who can't afford heating oil can't warm themselves with white privilege. A white person who can't find a job can't buy food with the fact that they are statistically less likely to be in that situation than a black person. That does not in any way diminish the extra problems and challenges that people of color face.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Pretty sure she's the former, not the latter, but tankiehood can't be ruled out: Oh look she's just another garbage tier third party candidate. How shocking.
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Stacks posted:Doesn't matter, bro. My vote is irrelevant. Hillary's got this on lockdown. Her victory is a forgone conclusion. Might as well start discussing her awful policies. Best case scenario, she does an about face and takes a hard left turn. Hopefully we don't have a repeat of Iraq or Honduras. Okay, but even if her victory is on lockdown, and it is, and I agree with that sentiment 1) At least Hillary demonstrates that she will listen, or is willing to listen to voters, which is why her platform is the most progressive that Democrats have ever had so far and which she took a lot of cues from Sanders, a point that you seem to be ignoring? Or maybe I'm missing something. 2) We're not saying to never criticize Hillary. We're saying that you trying to stay ideologically pure about this is dumb and stupid and actually pretty self-centered and immoral. Which, again, is something that you seem to either keep ignoring or just haven't acknowledged. Like, it's really dumb and annoying and other people have already told you what you can actually do about it on a local level instead of being a self-righteous douche about it. So 
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Ever since I saw her website, I can't help but reiterate my opposition to Gloria La Riva when her name comes up. Where are you seeing this? Anyways, it's not like I'm saying she's some perfect candidate. I'm not tactically compelled to vote for Hillary, and beyond that I don't think it really makes a difference who I pick. So I looked into it briefly and it seems Gloria is the best leftist candidate I can find. So basically the only reason I'm voting for her is that she's better than Stein.
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lozzle posted:"White people have it bad too" is extremely tone deaf given the situation POC are in. I get the feeling that you're not too familiar with the concept of intersectionality...
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I'm the real liberal you see, now watch me vanish politically until 2020 following November 8th. Progressive caucus and other organizations doing meaningful work for the liberal agenda? No thanks. You can catch me in 2020 when I vote for the Social Justice Party of True Liberal Values and Equity and Social and Environmental Justice for The People Party.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:I'm the real liberal you see, now watch me vanish politically until 2020 following November 8th. Progressive caucus and other organizations doing meaningful work for the liberal agenda? No thanks. You can catch me in 2020 when I vote for the Social Justice Party of True Liberal Values and Equity and Social and Environmental Justice for The People Party. "Also thanks for saving me from fascism, the rest of you. I certainly couldn't be bothered to do it."
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I'm already done voting, I love mail in ballots. Even though I'm in California there is no way am I voting third party. Not in this election. We need to run up the score.
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