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The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
Not -all- Canadians like what you are doing!

Well no poo poo. That's kind of the whole thing about being a politician. Don't think that one's really going to sting much.

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Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
Albertans just want to defy nature just like Jim Prentice attempted to defy gravity.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

OSI bean dip posted:

Albertans just want to defy nature just like Jim Prentice attempted to defy gravity.

:regd08:

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

too soon.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

PT6A posted:

Have their been any quadruple-hyphenated names, from two parents each with hyphenated names? Eventually you'll get there, and then to octuple hyphenation, unless you concede that it's okay to drop some names eventually, which essentially produces the Portuguese surname system.

This sounds a lot like heraldry: eventually you pick and choose the most important symbols and coats-of-arms to represent yourself

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

:golfclap:

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Please let the American election end. The amount of Canadian white guy privilege I hear from coworkers is astounding.

Most of them like Trudeau too..

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:

Please let the American election end. The amount of Canadian white guy privilege I hear from coworkers is astounding.

Most of them like Trudeau too..

Hilary is a lot like Trudeau in that she's a disingenuous snake, but I get the feeling she'll actually do a lot of things, which we cannot say about Justin

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!

Professor Shark posted:

This sounds a lot like heraldry: eventually you pick and choose the most important symbols and coats-of-arms to represent yourself

I know it's highly unorthodox, but one of the things my partner and I considered (not necessarily seriously) was deriving a new family name that draws on the roots of both family names. Alternatively, just adopting a new name that describes our family unit best.

Would be a pain to get name changes for both parties but it seems like a more elegant solution than endless hyphenation.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Oct 15, 2016

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/translink-ceo-hails-compass-card-as-big-success-with-rising-revenue-and-ridership

Eat poo poo s j ws. Oh my god the loving handwringing from hookshot and franks happy place over the injustice of forcing people to pay to ride the skytrain lmao

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

namaste faggots posted:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/translink-ceo-hails-compass-card-as-big-success-with-rising-revenue-and-ridership

Eat poo poo s j ws. Oh my god the loving handwringing from hookshot and franks happy place over the injustice of forcing people to pay to ride the skytrain lmao

ceo of company says thing company did is great and working well. think how much ridership could be increased if there was no fare. the sky is the limit. dare to dream.

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

namaste faggots posted:

Eat poo poo s j ws.

they removed the world filters you can say sjw

Drunk Canuck
Jan 9, 2010

Robots ruin all the fun of a good adventure.

Please pay your transit fare.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

namaste faggots posted:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/translink-ceo-hails-compass-card-as-big-success-with-rising-revenue-and-ridership

Eat poo poo s j ws. Oh my god the loving handwringing from hookshot and franks happy place over the injustice of forcing people to pay to ride the skytrain lmao

So I had to go to Vancouver last month and I haven't been since compass came out and I heard it was so confusing and the gates always crowded and everything was a huge disaster and tourists can't figure it out.
We had a bunch of fare saver tickets from previous trips that we thought were now useless. I figured it would be logical for them to sell them on the ferry, and they do. You just buy the loving card, it comes loaded with at least enough money to get into town and back, and once you register your card you can top it up. The cards are extremely easy to use, it's basically the same system the Dutch use except with physical gates (I'm still against physical gates simply because they slow poo poo down). I don't understand why the buses had the scanners at every door when you don't tap out on buses and can only enter in the front, my wife was super confused why the buses don't board with all doors now like in many european systems with similar tap cards. Maybe they only do during rush hour?

Someone told us trying to load our old paper tickets on our cards was a "huge pain in the rear end". We went to the chinatown station, said "can we load these tickets on our cards" and a lady did it in about 20 seconds. Done. The system seems totally fine. That didn't stop half the people from Victoria getting on the bus super confused about these new cards despite signs explaining their existence and how to use them and where to get them being everywhere.

I'm not sure how these new cards are some war on the poor. Don't poor and disabled people still qualify for discounts?

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Baronjutter posted:

So I had to go to Vancouver last month and I haven't been since compass came out and I heard it was so confusing and the gates always crowded and everything was a huge disaster and tourists can't figure it out.
We had a bunch of fare saver tickets from previous trips that we thought were now useless. I figured it would be logical for them to sell them on the ferry, and they do. You just buy the loving card, it comes loaded with at least enough money to get into town and back, and once you register your card you can top it up. The cards are extremely easy to use, it's basically the same system the Dutch use except with physical gates (I'm still against physical gates simply because they slow poo poo down). I don't understand why the buses had the scanners at every door when you don't tap out on buses and can only enter in the front, my wife was super confused why the buses don't board with all doors now like in many european systems with similar tap cards. Maybe they only do during rush hour?

Someone told us trying to load our old paper tickets on our cards was a "huge pain in the rear end". We went to the chinatown station, said "can we load these tickets on our cards" and a lady did it in about 20 seconds. Done. The system seems totally fine. That didn't stop half the people from Victoria getting on the bus super confused about these new cards despite signs explaining their existence and how to use them and where to get them being everywhere.

I'm not sure how these new cards are some war on the poor. Don't poor and disabled people still qualify for discounts?

Compass is awesome in every way. And I'm not sure about regular buses, but the B-lines you can board at any door and tap in there.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
Compass owns even though it was never needed to begin with. Hopefully next year I can just pay via NFC.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
if you're too stupid to figure out compass then you should just drown yourself in the storm tonight

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

Baronjutter posted:

I'm still against physical gates simply because they slow poo poo down

yeah i mean, vancouverites have so much more important poo poo to do than literally anyone else in the world with a metro system this is why we can't have nice things with faregates slowing everyone down

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
All public transit should be free and tapping out was the dumbest thing in the world.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:

All public transit should be free and tapping out was the dumbest thing in the world.

It'll never happen, get over it.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
And why, pray tell, is tapping out the dumbest thing ever? It allows for much better fare structuring.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

namaste faggots posted:

yeah i mean, vancouverites have so much more important poo poo to do than literally anyone else in the world with a metro system this is why we can't have nice things with faregates slowing everyone down

I purposely take my time on the gates so I don't get tailgated.

PT6A posted:

And why, pray tell, is tapping out the dumbest thing ever? It allows for much better fare structuring.

They have to do one extra step when using transit. It is that inconvenient.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

CLAM DOWN posted:

It'll never happen, get over it.

Counter-revolutionary speech violation. 5 minute major penalty assigned.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
If they're configured like in London, they should be close to impossible to tail gate out

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

PT6A posted:

And why, pray tell, is tapping out the dumbest thing ever? It allows for much better fare structuring.

At the cost of tremendously slowing down exiting, which then slows down boarding. All so you can squeeze another 0.75$ from riders on occasion.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




It's barely slower at all, what the gently caress are you doing to tap? Just quickly and casually tap your card, it beeps and opens almost instantly, you barely have to slow down.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Speaking of Translink, it sounds like transit expansion may be back on track but it's going to be driven by fare increases.

quote:

http://www.metronews.ca/news/vancouver/2016/10/14/vancouver-mayor-says-transit-plan-risen-from-ashes.html

Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson said the region’s 10-year transit plan has “risen from the ashes” after last year’s failed plebiscite.

Metro Vancouver mayors are set to vote next month on a new funding regime for the region’s share for Phase 1 of the plan, consisting of a five-to-10 cent fare increase, residential and commercial property tax increases and a possible regional development fee.

...


quote:

http://tenyearvision.translink.ca/plan/

Transit Fares
Gradual annual increases of about 5 to 10 cents on a single fare, and $1 to $3 on a monthly pass. Transit riders will continue to contribute roughly the same share of total costs for operating transit.

Property Tax
TransLink's portion of property tax bills will be adjusted, adding an additional $3 increase per year on the average home and $45 per year on the average business property.

Regional Development Fee
A new regional development fee for transit and transportation is proposed to be collected no later than 2020. Details for the fee would be developed in consultation with local governments, stakeholders, and the province. (If the development fee is not in place by 2020, some parts of the transit service expansion will be deferred.)

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

CLAM DOWN posted:

It's barely slower at all, what the gently caress are you doing to tap? Just quickly and casually tap your card, it beeps and opens almost instantly, you barely have to slow down.

The people who complain or slower things down at generally idiots.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
Lmao the Manitoba PCs have created a website where you can fiddle with sliders and offer budget suggestions for the next budget

http://manitoba.citizenbudget.com/

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

DariusLikewise posted:

Lmao the Manitoba PCs have created a website where you can fiddle with sliders and offer budget suggestions for the next budget

http://manitoba.citizenbudget.com/

That was fun. Increase funding for all the options, increase taxes at every opportunity, suggested the Manitoba government start providing dental care, childcare and university degrees, all paid for with tax increases.

I wonder if the PCs will make changes to their budget based on my feedback. :allears:

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

DariusLikewise posted:

Lmao the Manitoba PCs have created a website where you can fiddle with sliders and offer budget suggestions for the next budget

http://manitoba.citizenbudget.com/

I increased income tax by three percentage points and the PST by one and was able to increase funding to everything while still running a small surplus. I didn't even need to "support removing red tape", and apparently if I tell small businesses to go gently caress themselves we can add an additional half-billion to that surplus.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Looks like the NDP is finally reaching the acceptance phase of their mourning period, where they realize they aren't on the cusp of becoming the new centrist party. Unfortunately, if the LEAP Manifesto and the moribund state of the leadership race are any indication, there's no coherent idea about what kind of role the party could playing.

iPolitics posted:

Don't fear the leapers, says NDP's new national director

Robert Fox signals his party is steering leftwards as he takes the reigns.

The new national director of the New Democrats says he plans to encourage more activist groups to work with the party, and doesn’t believe the controversial Leap Manifesto is a “radical document.”

Fox’s comments signal a likely shift to the left for the federal NDP, one political analyst told The Tyee.

Robert Fox took over the top administrative job in the party this week, coming to the federal NDP after 10 years as the executive director of Oxfam Canada, and said he plans to “do things differently” following the party’s popularity free fall during last year’s election campaign.

“I look at the party and I think it has lots of capacity, lots of depth and lots of ability to make change,” Fox said.

The change will involve holding on to areas where the party excels and trying new approaches elsewhere, he said.

It’s Fox’s first sortie into the political realm and many factors contributed toward his decision to take the job, one of them being what he says is a channelling of disenfranchised members of the public into right-wing causes against their own interests.

After starting out last year’s election campaign ahead after their best fundraising quarter ever netting $4.5 million, the New Democrats lead by Tom Mulcair rapidly started lagging in the polls and lost one million votes and 59 of its 103 seats on election night.

Many analysts and party members blamed a shift to the centre for the election defeat, such as the promise of a balanced budget at a time of economic uncertainty.

Their displeasure was voiced in part by 35 members of the party in Quebec who wrote a letter earlier this year detailing their concerns about the party.

Not long after the letter was published Tom Mulcair lost a leadership review vote, thrusting the party into the position of finding a new leader and some soul searching.

Liberals hampered by ‘smugness’ and ‘hubris’

Fox wouldn’t say much about the Mulcair situation, leaving it up to the party’s election process.

But he thinks the party doesn’t court activist groups robustly, including using their skills and dedication to channel their causes through the party.

Such a move would be the best way to challenge the governing Liberals and the “smugness” and the “hubris” Fox said are their greatest weaknesses.

“We’ve got lots of activists we only really tap into at election time,” Fox said. “We need to ensure that we are supporting them as they take on issues between elections.”

Party donors are also key, he said, because many of them only feel like they hear from the NDP when they want cash.

The party isn’t doing as well financially as last year and has “fewer” resources and staff, according to Fox, but he plans to tackle the problem through issues-based fundraising.

The party must then stake out its turf and take clear positions without being concerned about whether it is trying to be “purist” or “selling principles” to win, Fox said.

He predicts the classic conundrum of moving to the centre for votes or sticking to ideals to push for change will be a sterile argument if proportional representation is adopted and implemented next election. Either way, Fox said, the party will be part of a parliament likely to be more left wing.

The great Leap debate

A parliamentary shift to the left could help the NDP after it voted to debate the Leap Manifesto across Canada as potential party policy at the same convention at which it ousted Mulcair.

The Leap calls for an increase to education and health-care funding plus a concerted effort to shift away from fossil fuels.

When introduced, the Leap sparked heated debate within the New Democrats, who hope the party’s provincial win in oil-rich Alberta wasn’t a one-off. Analysts said it showed the party was taking on more radical ideas that would cost jobs.

Even British Columbia NDP leader John Horgan distanced his wing of the party from it, saying the Leap doesn’t represent the values of the province.

But Fox doesn’t think the Leap is much of a stretch.

“A lot of the debate on this has been framed by a media who do not in any way share our interests or share our objectives,” Fox said. “(They are) portraying the Leap as a radical document, I don’t see it that way and I don’t think most people in Canada do actually.”

He wagers about half of the country’s Liberal Party supporters also support the Leap.

Left turn ahead

University of British Columbia political science professor Maxwell Cameron said Fox’s comments signal he may be preparing to pull the party further to the left of the political spectrum.

Cameron said with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals occupying the centre left of the political spectrum, enhancing relations with activists and not shying away from the Leap Manifesto is logical.

It would enable the New Democrats to hold Trudeau accountable from the left on issues like climate change and pipelines.

“The NDP has to go back to a more left-wing orientation,” he said. “There’s no point in trying to persist at being a centrist party at this point.”

Running a populist campaign from the left worked well for U.S. Democrat Bernie Sanders and Cameron said it could work for the NDP in Canada.

He agreed with Fox that proportional representation could render moot the NDP’s need to argue over its soul.

That’s because, Cameron said, it would rid Canadians of the need to vote strategically to keep out parties they don’t support.

It’s just that kind of situation Fox said he hopes the party can take advantage of over the next three years leading into the 2019 election.

He said he is coming to the party to listen and help create a “space to innovate” where the party can try things and even fail at them with plenty of time to prepare for 2019.

But first, Fox said, the party must put the disappointment of 2015 behind it.

“I have a three-day history in the party, my conversations are all about the future,” he said.

Jeremy J. Nuttall is The Tyee‘s Parliament Hill reporter in Ottawa. Find his previous stories here.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

DariusLikewise posted:

Lmao the Manitoba PCs have created a website where you can fiddle with sliders and offer budget suggestions for the next budget

http://manitoba.citizenbudget.com/


I think the current government is going to be really excited about my ideas!

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Baronjutter posted:


I think the current government is going to be really excited about my ideas!

Even as a member of the capitalist class whose job could literally not exist in a socialist nirvana, I'm pretty excited about them! Can I keep my car though?

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Baronjutter posted:


I think the current government is going to be really excited about my ideas!

would anyone in the Manitoba CPC leadership have enough education to understand any of those words? You may have been better off uploading a diagram or something?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Subjunctive posted:

Can I keep my car though?

Private property is theft comrade.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Subjunctive posted:

Even as a member of the capitalist class whose job could literally not exist in a socialist nirvana, I'm pretty excited about them! Can I keep my car though?

A car would be personal property so ok, but unfortunately none would exist after the WAR ON CARS.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

infernal machines posted:

Private property is theft comrade.

I'm willing to share. That's why they gave me two keys, right?

Baronjutter posted:

A car would be personal property so ok, but unfortunately none would exist after the WAR ON CARS.

Hmm. I assume electric would be permitted longer, so I'll live with it.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

DariusLikewise posted:

Lmao the Manitoba PCs have created a website where you can fiddle with sliders and offer budget suggestions for the next budget

http://manitoba.citizenbudget.com/

why can't i put the tax slider to 100%

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Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Increasing income tax and removing small business handouts nets a surplus

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