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Look, can we house and feed and educate and assimilate these refugees? If yes, good - let's be a 1st world country and bring them out of the cold. If to an extent, bring in as many as we can. Try not to bring in so many that we end up with the Calais issue, it doesn't help anyone. If not, put it on hold until we can. I'm probably oversimplifying it, but is there a way we can juggle both immigrants and refugees to a practical standard? (Totally for zoning reform. Auckland's a city of business, not some goddamn Arcadia. Go to Wellington if you want scenic views)
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Oct 17, 2016 06:21
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We could build some more loving houses, rather than blaming immigrants because it lets crypto-racists and xenophobes pretend like they're doing something for brown people they've never met and don't want to.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:23
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Seems to me that none of you fuckers care about the hundreds of homeless dogs in this country.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:24
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WarpedNaba posted:Look, can we house and feed and educate and assimilate these refugees? If yes, good - let's be a 1st world country and bring them out of the cold. We're not talking about refugees, we're talking about migrants coming through skills and partnership routes. It's not about blame, that's for small children and politicians to worry about. It's about doing every single possible thing to solve an issue that is permanently ruining people's lives as quickly as possible.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:27
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:We're not talking about refugees, we're talking about migrants coming through skills and partnership routes. And yet you're blaming migrants for the housing crisis, you repulsive sack of poo poo. It figures that when the alt-right arrived in New Zealand it would be eight months late and retarded.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:30
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It's rather difficult to do anything for other people on a national scale when about 44% of the country is voting for an utter shitbag.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:31
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:And yet you're blaming migrants for the housing crisis, you repulsive sack of poo poo. It figures that when the alt-right arrived in New Zealand it would be eight months late and retarded. I've not done that once in a single post. I have said lowering entry for a short period of time would resolve it. You are literally raging against a machine that's not even plugged in. I'll eat a month probe if you can quote a post where I've said that migrants caused the crisis. Mods?
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Oct 17, 2016 06:33
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:"If we pause residence applications for two years we could end the housing crisis immediately (90,0000 apps a year, shortfall for the next 20 years is 200,000 homes), and you can live in a house instead of a van" Ahahaha what. I live in auckland btw.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:36
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:And yet you're blaming migrants for the housing crisis, you repulsive sack of poo poo. It figures that when the alt-right arrived in New Zealand it would be eight months late and retarded. I do get where you're coming from, but why exactly should, when looking to solve these issues, immigration not be a 'dial' that we can alter through thoughtful discussion and consideration on the specifics?
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Oct 17, 2016 06:38
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:I've not done that once in a single post. I have said lowering entry for a short period of time would resolve it. You are literally raging against a machine that's not even plugged in. quote:"If we pause residence applications for two years we could end the housing crisis immediately (90,0000 apps a year, shortfall for the next 20 years is 200,000 homes), and you can live in a house instead of a van" "They're not to blame for the housing crisis, it's just that if we didn't have any for a couple of years the housing crisis would go away, almost as if they had some causal link." You're going to split hairs and try and wriggle out of this, because you're not only an idiot, a racist and a xenophobe, you're also a coward.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:38
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Build more houses and crack down on property speculation imo
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Oct 17, 2016 06:41
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:You're going to split hairs and try and wriggle out of this, because you're not only an idiot, a racist and a xenophobe, you're also a coward.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:44
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WE B Boo-ourgeois posted:Build more houses and crack down on property speculation imo Which is, of course, part of that larger plan I posted about earlier. I don't think anyone here has suggested that reconsidering our immigration levels would be the only thing that needs to be done.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:44
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:"They're not to blame for the housing crisis, it's just that if we didn't have any for a couple of years the housing crisis would go away, almost as if they had some causal link." No.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:44
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:By this logic you enjoy the suffering of children.
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Oct 17, 2016 06:45
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Can you cool your loving jets? Jesus every single thing you post is like this. Like, I agree with you on a lot of points but you're making me feel like an rear end in a top hat by association. This is why people vote national
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Oct 17, 2016 06:51
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:This is why people vote national
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Oct 17, 2016 06:54
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:You can be less of an rear end in a top hat too kthx Fair
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Oct 17, 2016 06:58
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Honestly, though, where would be the best place for high-rises if we never get zoning consent for the CBD?
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Oct 17, 2016 07:07
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WarpedNaba posted:Honestly, though, where would be the best place for high-rises if we never get zoning consent for the CBD? Remuera. I think we can all get behind this.
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Oct 17, 2016 07:08
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Building more house is a good idea and it'll keep me employed.
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Oct 17, 2016 07:09
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:Remuera. I think we can all get behind this. I'unno, Newmarket's pretty good for the trains. But the trains are kinda overloaded as-is.
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Oct 17, 2016 07:19
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I'm going to be different and suggest that the Libertarian approach to the housing crisis will never work. The solution we've been failing with is "build more houses" and you won't course correct it by building more houses. Build less houses, but more homes. Don't just piss in the wind about freeing up land and imagining developers will deliver on the other end. Aggressively pursue effectively abandoned lots, of which there are several in the inner city, and finance the construction of affordable high density homes through the arm of government that was literally established to do exactly that.
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Oct 17, 2016 08:05
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I don't think it's that weird a suggestion: there's a ton of empty housing in Auckland, because people are using them as investments rather than homes. Build less houses, but push ways to get the current empty houses onto the market.
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Oct 17, 2016 08:27
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How about some tax reform or something instead of blaming people who are the wrong colour. We're all immigrants to this country (technically at least  )
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Oct 17, 2016 08:55
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Robo Captain posted:Building more house is a good idea and it'll keep me employed. This, but on the other hand once houses reach more of an equilibrium hope you know how to do something else as well
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Oct 17, 2016 08:56
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:I don't think it's that weird a suggestion: there's a ton of empty housing in Auckland, because people are using them as investments rather than homes. Build less houses, but push ways to get the current empty houses onto the market. Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face Do the same in Wellington because brutalist structures are rad and cool E: bobbilljim posted:How about some tax reform or something instead of blaming people who are the wrong colour. We're all immigrants to this country (technically at least Sorry, not me, I was there to witness the first canoes landing, I can safely say that white people should gently caress off.
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Oct 17, 2016 08:57
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WE B Boo-ourgeois posted:Build more houses and crack down on property speculation imo BUT IMMIGRANTS Somfin posted:Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face This is my poo poo.
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Oct 17, 2016 08:59
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Somfin posted:Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face Agreed. Someone suggested to me the other day that we should just start building new cities in the middle of nowhere, instead of endlessly trying to expand the existing ones. It's an impractical idea for many reasons, but I kind of like it. The ancient Roman approach to solving a housing crisis.
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Oct 17, 2016 09:33
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Somfin posted:Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face expropriation, i like it
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Oct 17, 2016 09:37
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bobbilljim posted:How about some tax reform or something instead of blaming people who are the wrong colour. We're all immigrants to this country (technically at least Somfin posted:Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face
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Oct 17, 2016 09:38
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Just gonna throw this out there: Vancouver house prices had fallen by 16% two months after they put a 15% tax on foreign buyers.
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Somfin posted:Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face Man, I never understood that bit from Wolfenstein: The New Order. Berlin looked rad as gently caress. They were right about it needing more trees though.  Needs more glass though. bike tory posted:Just gonna throw this out there: Vancouver house prices had fallen by 16% two months after they put a 15% tax on foreign buyers. Now this I can get behind. Although considering that we have right-wing in power...
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Oct 17, 2016 10:14
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:... did I do that? I support a capital gains tax. Also: It was aimed at the racist currently known as "whiter than a Wilco show" Somfin posted:Sieze investment properties, mansions, and other wastes of space through excessive destructive and lethal force, build hideous brutalist concrete housing structures in the craters that remain, let Auckland show its true face Agreed, but just eradicate wellington entirely. It's the only way to be sure.
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Oct 17, 2016 10:44
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bobbilljim posted:Agreed, but just eradicate wellington entirely. It's the only way to be sure. Keep all Wellington destruction confined to lower Thorndon please
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Oct 17, 2016 11:03
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Let me sell my house in lower Thornton first tia
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whiter than a Wilco show posted:"If we pause residence applications for two years we could cause an instant recession!" WarpedNaba posted:Honestly, though, where would be the best place for high-rises if we never get zoning consent for the CBD? Ports of Auckland would be good if the reclaimed ground is any good. I do think it's good to have some industry in the middle of town to remind the corporate types that real people have to work for a living, but bugger it, Whangarei would benefit more from it than us. Can't say I'd shed a tear if Sylvia Park was razed to the ground and given a purpose of more benefit to the city either. I think that one area government intervention would help is making it attractive for migrants to settle down country. Can't be bothered finding the stats rn, but I think most don't make it out of Auckland, aside from a few populations that settle in groups in various towns.
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Oct 17, 2016 11:17
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bike tory posted:Let me sell my house in lower Thornton first tia *Pod person scream*
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Calling for a lower immigration rate is not the same as being anti-immigrant, does basic poo poo like this really need to be spelled out.
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