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Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

The_Doctor posted:

Have we ever seen Worf's ears?

Does Colonel Worf count?

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Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Cojawfee posted:

Thinking about Worf's "find them and kill them" line, why would he think a human game involves killing?

Soccer.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Mister Kingdom posted:

Does Colonel Worf count?



Ahhhh, that's why he hides them. They are tiny, and clearly not the ears of a warrior.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Mister Kingdom posted:

Does Colonel Worf count?



Dude does NOT have the lobes for business.

Nerdietalk
Dec 23, 2014

Cojawfee posted:

Thinking about Worf's "find them and kill them" line, why would he think a human game involves killing? That just seems ignorant.

Worf is kind of a weirdo by Klingon standards. He's always so serious and controlled and acts like that's the Klingon way, but the Klingons are mostly arrogant, boastful party animals

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

By that time in DS9 I think Worf('s writing) had developed a wry sense of humor. I never read that line as serious.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

turn left hillary!! noo posted:

By that time in DS9 I think Worf('s writing) had developed a wry sense of humor. I never read that line as serious.

DS9 was the best thing for worf. He really had it lovely in TNG, but actually got to develop as a person and have his advice respected on ds9.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I think part of the reason Geordi is so bad with women, other than being a creepy stalker weirdo, is that if a woman were to actually kiss him she'd get his visor jammed right up into her eyes.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Oh also getting married to Dax, having her die, then having to serve on the station with a very different person who hates klingon poo poo but has all your dead wife's memories is still a huge loving step up from having a relationship with Troi.

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Nessus posted:

One thing I've noticed on my DS9 trip is that I'm partway through season 2 and I don't think there's been a female Cardassian character. Did they run out of the blue rouge for their headspoon or what?

There's that Cardassian engineer who wants to gently caress O'Brien. Which season is that?

Cat Machine
Jun 18, 2008

Zurui posted:

There's that Cardassian engineer who wants to gently caress O'Brien. Which season is that?
Destiny, Season 3

lenoon
Jan 7, 2010

Weird moral in that episode. Thought it was building to "prophecy is worthless, it means whatever you want!" But it became "turns out the prophecy was right all along!"

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


Nessus posted:

One thing I've noticed on my DS9 trip is that I'm partway through season 2 and I don't think there's been a female Cardassian character. Did they run out of the blue rouge for their headspoon or what?

There are several more. The one who wants to bone O'Brien mentioned above (and her scientist buddy), Kira at one point, the judge at I wanna say O'Brien's? sham courtroom trial, and an Obsidian Order agent or two. And best of all, Mila, though she doesn't pop up until much later and is underutilized.

Outside of the Obsidian Order though, I don't think we ever see a female member of the actual military. I wanna say it's mentioned somewhere that Cardassian society has a large degree of stratification when it comes to civilian work (where it's sortof implied that women dominate, at least in things like the sciences and judiciary) and military work (where it's all male, all the time).

Drone fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Oct 17, 2016

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



In TNG there is a female Cardassian captain.

mossyfisk
Nov 8, 2010

FF0000
And using the transporter kills Trill

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Apologies for tumblr content, but I thought this was hilarious.

http://images.cybersomnia.com/tumblr_startrekheadcannon.png

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De2SuYAjrdY

Also why can nobody spell MacGyver

The internet is right there

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

The_Doctor posted:

Apologies for tumblr content, but I thought this was hilarious.

http://images.cybersomnia.com/tumblr_startrekheadcannon.png



Look, Starfleet isn't just banging rocks together. They know how to build a quantum space hole.

Lord Hydronium
Sep 25, 2007

Non, je ne regrette rien


The_Doctor posted:

Apologies for tumblr content, but I thought this was hilarious.

http://images.cybersomnia.com/tumblr_startrekheadcannon.png


Don't apologize, this owns.

You know, Babylon 5 posited that humans are unique because they form diverse communities. The explanation you posted makes a lot more sense to me.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


That description comes eerily close to describing the Federation as Warhammer 40k orks.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I like it. I've always subscribed to the idea that humans aren't just the boring generic race, we are actually the most terrifying because we just do whatever. I don't know if it's real or not, but there are some quotes claimed to be from some German or Russian (maybe both) generals or tacticians that say the Americans are terrible to fight because they don't even follow their own doctrine so you can't predict them. I think that fits the federation pretty well.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

The_Doctor posted:

Apologies for tumblr content, but I thought this was hilarious.

http://images.cybersomnia.com/tumblr_startrekheadcannon.png



This was kind of the premise of Alan Dean Foster's The Damned books, except with an emphasis on our prowess as killing machines.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Oh, those books look interesting. I've always wanted to see a Sci-Fi universe where we're the Klingons/Luxons/etc.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

The_Doctor posted:

Apologies for tumblr content, but I thought this was hilarious.

http://images.cybersomnia.com/tumblr_startrekheadcannon.png



... So humans are basically dumb rednecks who, after making friends with their stellar neighbors, can't resisting joyriding all over the cosmos while yelling HEY YA'LL WATCH THIS?

Imgur is being a pain in my rear end right now, but imagine the 'yep, checks out' scene from The Expanse right here.

UnquietDream
Jul 20, 2008

How strange that nobody sees the wonder in one another
Pogo has a new thing out, it may be of some interest Data & Picard

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.

The_Doctor posted:

Apologies for tumblr content, but I thought this was hilarious.

http://images.cybersomnia.com/tumblr_startrekheadcannon.png



So what i got from this is that humans in Trek are the dwarves from Oglaf:

:nws:
http://media.oglaf.com/comic/obituator.jpg

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Coming soon to a comic book shop near you, more Deep Space Nine and more (erg) Voyager:



I feel this would look better if he were holding a baseball.. the station is redundant

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Ah yes I remember when Odo looked like a monkey.

mateo360
Mar 20, 2012

TOO MANY PEOPLE MERLOCK!
ONLY ONE DIJON!
I want to get DS9 on DVD. Want I don't want to do is pay $300 for a complete set. Are bootlegs still rampant on ebay for these and Voyager?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Cojawfee posted:

I like it. I've always subscribed to the idea that humans aren't just the boring generic race, we are actually the most terrifying because we just do whatever. I don't know if it's real or not, but there are some quotes claimed to be from some German or Russian (maybe both) generals or tacticians that say the Americans are terrible to fight because they don't even follow their own doctrine so you can't predict them. I think that fits the federation pretty well.
Yeah, and including all the other aliens probably makes it even more complex. Will that ship's pilot and tactical officer be hew-mons? Bolians? Socialist Ferengi? Three-armed weirdos? We don't know! It's probably impossible to know! Even if you had the duty roster there's a pot chance they'll have someone else substituting.

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer
Picked up the new two-volume Trek encyclopedia for a cool 40-something bucks because I CoinStar'd my coin jar the other day for a cool $45 bucks and the book was on sale for $88, down from $150 retail.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Binary Badger posted:

Coming soon to a comic book shop near you, more Deep Space Nine and more (erg) Voyager:



I feel this would look better if he were holding a baseball.. the station is redundant

I know licensed stuff usually gets lovely art, and I realize the IDW Trek comics are notoriously bad about this, but holy poo poo this looks awful.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


From Star Trek: Waypoint #1, we see what happens when Data's body fails and he uploads himself into the Enterprise:



Wonder if there's a copy of him cleaning out the plasma conduits somewhere..

Blast Fantasto
Sep 18, 2007

USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I know licensed stuff usually gets lovely art, and I realize the IDW Trek comics are notoriously bad about this, but holy poo poo this looks awful.

Apollodorus
Feb 13, 2010

TEST YOUR MIGHT
:patriot:

TheBigAristotle posted:

Picked up the new two-volume Trek encyclopedia for a cool 40-something bucks because I CoinStar'd my coin jar the other day for a cool $45 bucks and the book was on sale for $88, down from $150 retail.

Sounds like you paid a cool 88 bucks, then.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Do you guys think Star Trek with its societies that relentlessly expand and consume, whether they're good or bad, is a product of the mid-20th century?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Arglebargle III posted:

Do you guys think Star Trek with its societies that relentlessly expand and consume, whether they're good or bad, is a product of the mid-20th century?
Well if you're looking at TOS, the Federation seemed to kind of be the Space USA/UN: the Federation expanded by incorporating other space-nations and there were many areas where Federation law was absent. It was TNG and DS9 that had the political stuff going on, and even then it seemed to be very hands off, very relaxed, despite the bitching of the Maquis.

The Federation does seem to have a mandate towards expansion in a way that the Romulans and the Klingons don't, necessarily, although a lot of this is also that a ton of space even in the Alpha Quadrant seems to be... unexplored? Undeveloped?

Febreeze
Oct 24, 2011

I want to care, butt I dont
Im working my way through every series and I'm on the home stretch (Season 3 of enterprise) and after rewatch DS9 i think is going to remain the most fulfilling show out of all of them. TOS was so hit and miss with incredible highs and lows, TNG was the most consistent but honestly I think in the era of serialized TV the episodic nature doesn't hold up as well as I thought. It's not nearly as bad as voyager because the reset button doesn't feel quite so bad when the Enterprise is in federation space the whole time but there are moments when some things feel rushed. DS9's serialized format holds up so well and the characters are probably the best realized over any show. The mirror universe episodes are pretty trash though.

Voyager was just so...there. It felt like an entire show made up up filler. I finished it 2 months ago after watching for most of the year and I've already forgotten most of it. It wasn't bad, it was just there.

I'm actually enjoying enterprise more. It feels more flawed but in more interesting ways. It has a lot of little continuity references which feels refreshing after VOY. I liked Season 1, it was a little routine but some of the ideas at work are fun. Season 2 was terribly boring. Season 3 so far has been pretty good (relatively speaking). I also don't know how big of a hot take this is, but I think the NX-o1 might be the coolest looking ship.

Also I hope the new series is just Jeffrey Combs playing every character

TheBigAristotle
Feb 8, 2007

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

Grimey Drawer

Apollodorus posted:

Sounds like you paid a cool 88 bucks, then.

Eh, it was money to blow as far as my budget goes.

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Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Febreeze posted:

Also I hope the new series is just Jeffrey Combs playing every character

I would watch this.

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