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LLCoolJD posted:Can Miles recruit at an elite level at any P5, or just while owning Louisiana? If the former, they could do worse. It's been awhile, but Oklahoma State was pretty dead before Miles got there and got them rolling.
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Bird in a Blender posted:ISU always seems to pull of coaching hires that at least look good at first, and Purdue has more money, so they can probably find someone decent enough. ISU at least has institutional and fan support though. Which is actually more sad if you think about it for too long. ISU tries really hard to win and is terrible. Purdue doesn't care and is terrible.
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Thoguh posted:ISU at least has institutional and fan support though. Serious question: Does Iowa have the population to have two middlin' to good teams?
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Regnevelc posted:Purdue is the 4th option in Indiana behind Notre Dame, Ohio State and Michigan. If Miles can bring up some of the mid to high 3 stars from the schools he has inroads with down South then he may be able to boost Purdue a bit. 5th probably. Indiana is a level above purdue as sad as that is
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whiteyfats posted:Serious question: Does Iowa have the population to have two middlin' to good teams? No, especially since there's also an FCS power in the state as well.
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whiteyfats posted:Serious question: Does Iowa have the population to have two middlin' to good teams? There's a reasonable chance that Idaho is going to have two bowl teams this year, so you tell me.
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C. Everett Koop posted:
Schiano thinks he can land a top 10 job. He can't, but he like Fleck won't touch Purdue.
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purdue's coaching search hampered by the staggering decline of people with blond mustaches
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whiteyfats posted:Serious question: Does Iowa have the population to have two middlin' to good teams? New York and New Jersey schools would field great teams year-in, year-out if it were merely a question of population. Iowa has slightly more people than Mississippi.
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Have they ever really had a name? All I remember is that time Kyle Orton fumbled so badly that it destroyed an entire program and that Drew Brees might have been quarterback there at some point. Anything before that is mysterious.
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Sash! posted:Have they ever really had a name? All I remember is that time Kyle Orton fumbled so badly that it destroyed an entire program and that Drew Brees might have been quarterback there at some point. Anything before that is mysterious. Looking at winsipedia, the last time Purdue was consistently good was in the 60's.
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Sash! posted:Have they ever really had a name? All I remember is that time Kyle Orton fumbled so badly that it destroyed an entire program and that Drew Brees might have been quarterback there at some point. Anything before that is mysterious. Their thing is the Cradle of Quarterbacks. No really. To be fair they have produced three NFL hall of famers. Well 3 whenever Brees gets in.
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Sash! posted:Have they ever really had a name? All I remember is that time Kyle Orton fumbled so badly that it destroyed an entire program and that Drew Brees might have been quarterback there at some point. Anything before that is mysterious. George Steinbrenner and Hank Strahm coached there. Len Dawson, Bob Griese and Drew Brees all played there and won Super Bowls as pro's.....plus, there are quite a few other great QB's including Orton, Jim Everett, Mark Hermann and the great Curtis Painter and Mike Phipps! They had a nice long run of defensive ends under Tiller too, I think Ryan Kerrigan is the only one still active. In the 60's and 70's they were the Spoilermakers, pulling off a big upset once or twice a year.....there's potential there, but there's also a lot of inner turmoil because I don't think the board of Trustees and the administration has any interest in football costing them money.
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All Purdue needs to do to get back to the glory days of the tiller era is recruit the best QB in conference history again. Honestly I don't know why they haven't tried.
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wernox posted:.....there's potential there, but there's also a lot of inner turmoil because I don't think the board of Trustees and the administration has any interest in football costing them money. Football is a brand investment. University administrations would be wise to recognize this.
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General Dog posted:There's a reasonable chance that Idaho is going to have two bowl teams this year, so you tell me. This would perhaps be relevant if Iowa and Iowa State were in the MAC or Conference USA. Iowa having two power five conference teams is definitely a weird anarchism. Both got lucky in that the conferences they joined 100 years ago wound up being really successful. ISU obviously would almost certainly not be in a major conference if they were being drawn up again from scratch. Iowa probably would be since its historically a top 30 or so program but the market size would definitely be an issue. If you look at most of the surrounding states (Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Missouri) all of them only have 1 FCS football program and most of those states have a better talent pool to pull from (significantly so in the case of Missouri).
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MourningView posted:This would perhaps be relevant if Iowa and Iowa State were in the MAC or Conference USA. There are other states like Oregon, Oklahoma, and Kansas that have similar populations and also support multiple teams. But in those cases the schools are in the same conference. As far as I can recall Iowa is the only state that both has small population and schools in multiple conferences.
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Thoguh posted:There are other states like Oregon, Oklahoma, and Kansas that have similar populations and also support multiple teams. But in those cases the schools are in the same conference. As far as I can recall Iowa is the only state that both has small population and schools in multiple conferences. South Carolina has 4.8 million and two P5 teams in different conferences. That's a bit bigger than those states but not totally incomparable.
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Thoguh posted:There are other states like Oregon, Oklahoma, and Kansas that have similar populations and also support multiple teams. But in those cases the schools are in the same conference. As far as I can recall Iowa is the only state that both has small population and schools in multiple conferences. To be fair, Kansas has never really supported KU and KSU at the same time, it's always been a zero-sum (or negative-sum) game between the two.
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MourningView posted:Absent Bill Snyder Kansas hasn't even really supported one Have you forgotten about the time Kansas went to the Orange Bowl?
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Henchman of Santa posted:South Carolina has 4.8 million and two P5 teams in different conferences. That's a bit bigger than those states but not totally incomparable. Proximity to Georgia is relevant there.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Have you forgotten about the time Kansas went to the Orange Bowl? That was truly a turning point for the football program E: So KU started the 2009 season 5-0. That was the season Mangino was canned for abuse. How many games have they won since? 13
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Real Name Grover posted:That was truly a turning point for the football program All because that one player couldn't take some good-natured ribbing about his alcoholic father.
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I know Fleck is one of the top plums to be picked this year, but a (very much biased) blog had the opinion that if WMU made the Cotton Bowl, Fleck may stay at WMU. I'm struggling to understand his reasoning, because I am absolutely a mega-homer for the Broncos/Row-Boaters, but I can't see his logic on this one. Beyond maybe the big-boys take the program seriously and he has incentive to build or something? Help me understand this madness
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mercenarynuker posted:I know Fleck is one of the top plums to be picked this year, but a (very much biased) blog had the opinion that if WMU made the Cotton Bowl, Fleck may stay at WMU. I'm struggling to understand his reasoning, because I am absolutely a mega-homer for the Broncos/Row-Boaters, but I can't see his logic on this one. Beyond maybe the big-boys take the program seriously and he has incentive to build or something? Help me understand this madness Really, the only hope for WMU keeping Fleck is a crappy job market. There aren't many realistic scenarios where he stays, but he might if it's WMU vs Purdue or some other shithole. So root for blue bloods with iffy coaches like Auburn, Texas or Oregon to finish strong and pray Ed Orgeron wins his way into the LSU job.
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Yeah if fleck doesn't leave Western after this year then he's either the worst interview of all time, or something has gone horribly wrong.
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DJExile posted:Yeah if fleck doesn't leave Western after this year then he's either the worst interview of all time, or something has gone horribly wrong. He's a midwestern guy, so a good opening out there would seem to be the first place he'd go. I don't know what James Franklin's buyout is, but Penn State won't stomach mediocrity forever.
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DJExile posted:Yeah if fleck doesn't leave Western after this year then he's either the worst interview of all time, or something has gone horribly wrong. maybe he really loving loves Bell's.
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Henchman of Santa posted:maybe he really loving loves Bell's. I mean, I do
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mercenarynuker posted:I know Fleck is one of the top plums to be picked this year, but a (very much biased) blog had the opinion that if WMU made the Cotton Bowl, Fleck may stay at WMU. I'm struggling to understand his reasoning, because I am absolutely a mega-homer for the Broncos/Row-Boaters, but I can't see his logic on this one. Beyond maybe the big-boys take the program seriously and he has incentive to build or something? Help me understand this madness He won't. Fleck was begging for the Rutgers job last year, albeit he didn't have this season to stand on. No way he is staying, and I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, in almost every situation a coach will leave. If Google offered you a lot of money you would probably quit your job and go work there. And I'm not bragging, he used to be an assistant at RU. Before this year he was seen as a major stretch even with Flood cratering our program.
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Kim Jong Il posted:Fleck was begging for the Rutgers job last year, albeit he didn't have this season to stand on. lmao
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Kim Jong Il posted:He won't. I wouldn't brag about Rutgers football if I were you, either
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mercenarynuker posted:I wouldn't brag about Rutgers football if I were you, either
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It's pretty funny how much better than Rutgers WMU is
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Marquis de Pyro posted:It's pretty funny how much better than Rutgers WMU is WMU -17 over Rutgers this year?
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Is the game in Jersey? Then at least -17, yeah. Hell, they won by 14 in Champaign
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Real Name Grover posted:Is the game in Jersey? Then at least -17, yeah. Hell, they won by 14 in Champaign I mean - Rutgers should travel to WMU, tbh. School hierarchy and all.
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Although I imagine that post is entirely made up, if it's true that Rutgers passed on Fleck to hire Chris Ash then they deserve all the suck present and future.
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look at all your losers who aren't up on your message board rumors
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