CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

This was on CBC this afternoon, dunno if anyone else here cares about it, but the Ontario govt announced some changes to and a review of the way jails handle segregation. Of note, they're halving the maximum length of time someone can spend in in disciplinary segregation from 30 to 15 days. As noted on the radio, 5% of inmates in segregation are in disciplinary segregation, the other 95% (including the worst cases) are in administrative segregation. The average stay in segregation is longer than 15 days (16.2) and there was a case of someone spending 939 days in segregation (under administrative segregation). This is gonna do not very much.

This is a very Ontario government move.

Actually just in general this is a good article about this stuff and is shocking as all hell: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle32422686/

A choice quote about our jails:

quote:

the segregation-clock issues may also explain why the case of one inmate who has spent more than 1,500 days in segregation at Thunder Bay Jail did not show up in the provincial statistical release.
...
A concerned correctional officer told her that one inmate had spent more than four years in segregation. When she asked jail officials about the inmate, she was led to a windowless floor of the jail and shown a cell that was covered on all four walls with Plexiglas and illuminated by 24-hour light. Inside was a young aboriginal man who spoke to her through a small hole in the Plexiglas.

�He told me he had difficulty speaking as well as he used to because of the lack of human contact,� she said. �He also talked about how the presence of artificial light made it such that he couldn�t perceive the difference between day and night, that he couldn�t recall time periods in the past at all. He also mentioned to me several incidents of self-harm and showed me scars related to those incidents.�

cowofwar posted:

We would see a lot more innovation if tax rates hit 100% at $200K and exemptions were removed except for losses. People would suddenly up their risk exposure in lending and R&D and starting businesses if the alternative was that they just handed over all the money to CRA.

Nah, they'd just leave Canada.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 00:18

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# ? May 14, 2024 05:02

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Jordan7hm posted:

A choice quote about our jails:

quote:

the segregation-clock issues may also explain why the case of one inmate who has spent more than 1,500 days in segregation at Thunder Bay Jail did not show up in the provincial statistical release.
...
A concerned correctional officer told her that one inmate had spent more than four years in segregation. When she asked jail officials about the inmate, she was led to a windowless floor of the jail and shown a cell that was covered on all four walls with Plexiglas and illuminated by 24-hour light. Inside was a young aboriginal man who spoke to her through a small hole in the Plexiglas.

�He told me he had difficulty speaking as well as he used to because of the lack of human contact,� she said. �He also talked about how the presence of artificial light made it such that he couldn�t perceive the difference between day and night, that he couldn�t recall time periods in the past at all. He also mentioned to me several incidents of self-harm and showed me scars related to those incidents.�

Well, that's Australian offshore rape farm level cruelty right there. Pity we don't also have a talented Canadian First Dog on the Moon to produce mind-blowing ( :suicide:

) wordy political cartoons about it.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 01:56

M.McFly: Oct 23, 2008

Fluffy Chainsaw posted:

That's the point, isn't it? Letting those in power pick who can and can't cover a story isn't conducive to a healthy free press.

E - It's certainly why three Canadian associations of journalists have condemned the UN's decision. Quite sure they're not doing it because they think the Rebel does good work.

The Rebel isn't the press. It's a dude with a Youtube channel.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 02:48

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Wrong thread

# ? Oct 19, 2016 02:52

McGavin: Sep 18, 2012

M.McFly posted:

The Rebel isn't the press. It's a dude with a Youtube channel.

The worst was listening to the guy from the UN explain himself on As It Happens. He should have just said "We looked at his website and found Ezra Levant to be a grade A moron," and would have got nods of agreement, but instead he let himself get drawn into this bullshit censorship argument.

A choice moment was him pretending to forget Ezra's last name and then saying that he doesn't live in Canada so doesn't care what Ezra's name is. Aside from that it was pretty embarrassing to listen to.

Edit: Here's the clip.

McGavin fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Oct 19, 2016

# ? Oct 19, 2016 03:17

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

Jordan7hm posted:

the segregation-clock issues may also explain why the case of one inmate who has spent more than 1,500 days in segregation at Thunder Bay Jail did not show up in the provincial statistical release.
...
A concerned correctional officer told her that one inmate had spent more than four years in segregation. When she asked jail officials about the inmate, she was led to a windowless floor of the jail and shown a cell that was covered on all four walls with Plexiglas and illuminated by 24-hour light. Inside was a young aboriginal man who spoke to her through a small hole in the Plexiglas.

�He told me he had difficulty speaking as well as he used to because of the lack of human contact,� she said. �He also talked about how the presence of artificial light made it such that he couldn�t perceive the difference between day and night, that he couldn�t recall time periods in the past at all. He also mentioned to me several incidents of self-harm and showed me scars related to those incidents.�

It's really cool that we've decided it's okay to slowly turn human brains into mush over the course of decades.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 04:34

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Three Hole Punk posted:

It's really cool that we've decided it's okay to slowly turn human brains into mush over the course of decades.

Well those are pretty textbook torture techniques, so there's that. But sure, yeah, why wouldn't we treat this guy like a Bond villain?

# ? Oct 19, 2016 04:36

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

the really hosed up thing is that if the system was working properly nobody would be spending four years in an Ontario jail at all, let alone four years in segregation.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 04:40

The Butcher: Apr 20, 2005; Well, at least we tried.; Nap Ghost

Jordan7hm posted:

the really hosed up thing is that if the system was working properly nobody would be spending four years in an Ontario jail at all, let alone four years in segregation.

Segregation yeah because it is pretty much a torture thing longterm, but as for the time, there are still and always will be some monsters we need to put away forever.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 04:54

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

The Butcher posted:

Segregation yeah because it is pretty much a torture thing longterm, but as for the time, there are still and always will be some monsters we need to put away forever.

I don't disagree at all. But they shouldn't be in provincial jails intended for short term detention. If someone is bad enough that they need to be locked away for several years (they likely aren't bad so much as mentally ill and the guards can't handle it) they should be in a federal institution.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 05:19

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Jordan7hm posted:

I don't disagree at all. But they shouldn't be in provincial jails intended for short term detention. If someone is bad enough that they need to be locked away for several years (they likely aren't bad so much as mentally ill and the guards can't handle it) they should be in a federal institution.

Sorry but mental hospitals and institutionalizing people has been deemed cruel and barbaric and a violation of people's dignity and freedom. It's much better to torture them in prisons or let them rot on the street, in dignity.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 05:23

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Karla homolka is living proof that the system works

# ? Oct 19, 2016 05:23

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Tangentially related to national politics, this has been happening on B.C.'s Central Coast since last Thursday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWNXZ_jYegc

The Nathan E. Stewart makes several trips a month pushing a 10,000 ton barge load of fuel between Vancouver and Washington refineries and Alaska via the Inside Passage. Coming home this time she failed to make the final course correction on the big turn coming out of Laredo Channel and into the mouth of Seaforth Channel. This isn't a close-quarters situation, there's lots of time to make that final adjustment and avoid running onto the rocks. From the vessel's track shown by the Automatic Information Systems transponder it looks a lot like the Queen of the North ferry sinking a few years ago where it was determined the Navigation Officer and Helmsman were busy ~~loving on the chart table~~ having "an intense personal conversation" instead of steering the drat ship.

The barge is empty and undamaged, the Stewart has sunk and is hanging off the barge's stern suspended by the Articulated Tug and Barge link pins. drat fine engineering on that piece of equipment, I must say. The Stewart's fuel tanks are leaking diesel onto the nearby beach and the slick has probably been carried down a narrow channel to the east that leads into a typical Central Coast labyrinth of islands and reefs, the sort of area that is a kayaker's wet dream. :fap:

The nearest spill equipment and personnel were in Shearwater and Bella Bella, about 15 nautical miles to the east, close to an hour's travel time for a small fast boat. The calls went out about 0400 and booms were in place by 1100, around the time the Stewart finished sinking. Actual cleanup equipment was dispatched from Vancouver but has been hampered by the exposed location and weather - three storms in close succession, the last being the remnants of a typhoon.

It's difficult to know exactly what's going on and how hosed the environment is at this point. The clam fishery scheduled to open in 3 weeks is definitely a non-starter. In water that's somewhere between "drat Cold" and "Holy gently caress This is Cold" the diesel is going to hang around for a while and poison things good.

There are renewed calls to ban all small tanker and fuel barge traffic from the Inside Passage. Some of these are coming from the Heiltsuk Nation who also own a fuel dock in Bella Bella which has to get its fuel by barge, so I'm not sure how that's supposed to work.

I know that stretch of beach personally and this is making me extremely irrational about building more pipelines and increasing tanker traffic. Hopefully the next tanker that misses a turn does so under the Lions Gate bridge where the cleanup equipment is closer at hand and the public can watch the Gong Show as it unfolds.

Edit: Just realized I didn't snark once about "World Class". Missed opportunity.

Hexigrammus fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Oct 19, 2016

# ? Oct 19, 2016 07:41

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

#oilwivesofalberta

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/operation-northern-spotlight

# ? Oct 19, 2016 12:48

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Postess with the Mostest posted:

#oilwivesofalberta

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/operation-northern-spotlight

lmao

Get hosed Albertans

# ? Oct 19, 2016 12:56

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Postess with the Mostest posted:

#oilwivesofalberta

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/operation-northern-spotlight

Thousands of years of this perverted industry existing and yet so far we haven't come up with an intelligent solution to addressing it. I wonder why that is? :allears:

# ? Oct 19, 2016 12:57

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/morneaus-advisers-suggest-boosting-immigration-foreign-capital/article32433782/?service=mobile

quote:

A group of external advisers to Finance Minister Bill Morneau will call on the government this week to dramatically increase the level of immigration and foreign investment coming in to Canada to stimulate a sluggish economy in future years.

Their recommendations include increasing immigration by 50 per cent to 450,000 people annually over five years while easing the process for high-skilled and entrepreneurial foreigners to come here; building a new department to entice foreign direct investment into Canada; and creating an arm’s length infrastructure bank. The recommendations were confirmed by several senior sources who spoke with The Globe and Mail.

You know what this means right? Say hello to lower salaries assholes.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 13:03

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Say hello to Kellie Leitch

# ? Oct 19, 2016 13:58

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Who cares, more immigration is good.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 14:03

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Yeah who wants higher salaries

# ? Oct 19, 2016 14:12

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

Why would we want to allow more high-skilled workers to come here when they can barely use those skills once they arrive?

# ? Oct 19, 2016 14:15

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

namaste faggots posted:

Yeah who wants higher salaries

We need somebody to buy all these lovely condos our True Canadians have been financing, building and real estating in the cities where immigrants tend to settle.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 14:15

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Lobok posted:

Why would we want to allow more high-skilled workers to come here when they can barely use those skills once they arrive?

It is already problematic for some workers to move between provinces let alone countries.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 14:26

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Loosen the kafkaesque restrictions on international educated doctors and nurses so people can get loving access to healthcare.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 14:56

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

peter banana posted:

Loosen the kafkaesque restrictions on international educated doctors and nurses so people can get loving access to healthcare.

Aren't those restrictions pretty much handcrafted by the colleges (professional associations, not education places)?

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:00

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

peter banana posted:

Loosen the kafkaesque restrictions on international educated doctors and nurses so people can get loving access to healthcare.

but doctor's salaries :qq:

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:00

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

McGavin posted:

The worst was listening to the guy from the UN explain himself on As It Happens. He should have just said "We looked at his website and found Ezra Levant to be a grade A moron," and would have got nods of agreement, but instead he let himself get drawn into this bullshit censorship argument.

A choice moment was him pretending to forget Ezra's last name and then saying that he doesn't live in Canada so doesn't care what Ezra's name is. Aside from that it was pretty embarrassing to listen to.

Edit: Here's the clip.

The AIH people are good at baiting I find.

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/morneaus-advisers-suggest-boosting-immigration-foreign-capital/article32433782/?service=mobile

You know what this means right? Say hello to lower salaries assholes.

Where are they going to live exactly? We had trouble finding room for the refugees which was a fraction of the additional people they want. Also the GTA is more than full so send them out west.

I wonder how many years until the green belt is fully rezoned for high density residential because no one wants to leave the GTHA :iiam:

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:02

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

Time for a new public housing initiative. We don't need people to buy homes in order to live here

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:11

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Postess with the Mostest posted:

#oilwivesofalberta

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/operation-northern-spotlight

Nooo you're supposed to pull up your bootstraps not pull them down

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:11

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Companies don't want an equal match of skilled workers to available positions because that leads to salary competition. Employers want a hundred amazing applicants for each job so that they can provide poo poo compensation to indebted desperate wage slaves. They don't give a poo poo about the 99 other people that will have to find menial work outside their field.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:16

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Bill morneau should take a deep dive into his own rear end in a top hat

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:31

unlimited shrimp: Aug 30, 2008

Jordan7hm posted:

Who cares, populist backlash is good.

What a strange sentiment.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 15:50

Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

DariusLikewise posted:

Yes, we need to fund more original Canadian Content to protect our rich and proud history and

Bring back Hannibal and make it explicitly about how pretty the GTHA is in winter.

# ? Oct 19, 2016 16:11

smoke sumthin bitch: Dec 14, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Jordan7hm posted:

Who cares, more immigration is good.

yea for the 1%. the other 99 gets hosed

# ? Oct 19, 2016 16:37

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Cons: Your plans for electoral reform are just going to solidify your ability to hold power
Libs: Fine then no electoral reform

quote:

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN12J1Y7

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday indicated he was backing away from his pledge to reform Canada's electoral system after political opponents accused him of trying to rig it to benefit his ruling Liberal Party.

He initially promised new rules would be in place for the next election, scheduled for October 2019. But in an interview with the French-language Le Devoir newspaper, he made clear the timetable was likely to slip.

"If we're going to change the electoral system, people have to be open to that," Trudeau said, adding that major changes would need the substantial backing of Canadians.

Liberals prefer a preferential ranked ballot system, where voters indicate their first, second and third choices. If no candidate initially captures 50 percent of the vote, then second and third choices are counted until a winner emerges.

The official opposition Conservatives - who complain this would unfairly benefit the Liberals - are demanding a referendum before a new system is brought in.

(Reporting by David Ljunggren; editing by Grant McCool)