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Quorum posted:Bingo. Also the increased prevalence of people who Aren't Like Us. It's no mistake that the kind of ugly smear campaign carried out against Bill became so much more open, accepted, and total in the presidency of a black man. It's the same substance, but taken to 11. Bill Clinton was able to appoint Supreme Court justices. Yeah, my dad's batty Bircher aunt didn't have an easy way to hook up with like-minded crazies in the 1960s. Right-wing nuts back then weren't 100% scams, and there was a higher degree of literacy and curiosity needed to get involved in that poo poo. Now, it's impossible to join a "conservative patriot" feelgood type Facebook group without seeing poo poo about Michelle Obama secretly being a dude, (((bankers))) acting in collusion with Killary to destroy America, the POTUS being a secret Muslim and a secret gay and a secret communist, etc. Somehow making deals with Iran is double-treason when it's Obama, while Reagan's don't count. And the Republican presidential candidate is out there retweeting PrisonPlanet and giving speeches whose key terms will direct any curious recipients to Alex Jones, and get their toes dipped into the Icke pool of deeper delusions.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/788818251476180992 So is McMullin just the "Ed Balls" of this election for Utah, or...?
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1337JiveTurkey posted:IIRC that was central to Bill's claims in the first place. By the very precisely worded definitions used in the deposition Monica had sexual relations with Bill, but Bill didn't have them with her because he never reciprocated. If you want to know why Hillary will never lose to Trump in a debate, its because she has been putting up with poo poo like this from Bill for 40 years Its like going from Kasparov to a toddler
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/788818251476180992 You can do it, Egg McMuffin. Just got to hold that lead over Drumpf.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah, there's something though. Beyond just inordinate amounts of charisma, which most of the modern presidents on both sides have had. When I was ~13 my family was on vacation in Prague and we saw Hillary doing a procession through the old Jewish cemetary and I remember a fleeting instant of eye contact from across several gravestones. She did not look like she was having a fun time. 
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1337JiveTurkey posted:IIRC that was central to Bill's claims in the first place. By the very precisely worded definitions used in the deposition Monica had sexual relations with Bill, but Bill didn't have them with her because he never reciprocated. Finally I understand. I was never totally clear on what the linguistic killshot was supposed to have been, aside from "that depends on what the definition of 'is' is".
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mdemone posted:When was the last time a third party won electoral votes? George Wallace.
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1337JiveTurkey posted:IIRC that was central to Bill's claims in the first place. By the very precisely worded definitions used in the deposition Monica had sexual relations with Bill, but Bill didn't have them with her because he never reciprocated. If he'd reciprocated he would have demanded a different definition or given a different answer, but yeah, that's why he didn't commit perjury.  It was something like "sexual relations comprises contact with the other player's erogenous zones for reason of titillation" and if she was the only one contacting erogenous zones he did not, in fact, have sexual relations with that woman. 
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bad boy in the boy band posted:I don't agree with Patricia Smith, but she's a grieving mother. If I lost one of my kids like that I can't say I wouldn't latch onto *circumstance* as the sole cause of my child's death and crusade against it as some sort of way to try to assuage my grief. Yeah, people react in some crazy ways to grief, and losing a child is widely regarded as being as lovely as it gets. I wish it were otherwise, and I hope she finds peace, but I can't be salty about her reaction. The people happy to exploit her grief for their political ends though...
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1337JiveTurkey posted:IIRC that was central to Bill's claims in the first place. By the very precisely worded definitions used in the deposition Monica had sexual relations with Bill, but Bill didn't have them with her because he never reciprocated. It wasn't because of that. The claim that Bill tried to stick with is that he did not have sexual relations because sexual relations involved sexual intercourse and he would only comment on that. He was trying to argue that oral sex was not "sexual intercourse" and therefore it was accurate to say "I did not have sex with that woman." It was that line of questioning that led to the famous "depends what the definition of is is" line.
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mdemone posted:When was the last time a third party won electoral votes? Wallace I think
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Vilemom also never liked his wife very much, so I can't imagine that helps a whole lot. I bet all her speeches haven't brought them any closer together.
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mdemone posted:When was the last time a third party won electoral votes? Wallace
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Night10194 posted:See what All Day Breakfast has wrought. Ein Reich, Ein Yolk, Ein Sandwich
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mdemone posted:When was the last time a third party won electoral votes? Consequently, when was the last time we had an election that didn't have a sitting President, Vice President, Governor, or member of Congress as a candidate in either party?
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Consequently, when was the last time we had an election that didn't have a sitting President, Vice President, Governor, or member of Congress as a candidate in either party? Where is Joementum when you really need him.
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I feel like Trump's Hail Mary is to bring people into the audience and hoping it melts down like an episode of Jerry Springer. That he knows he can't win, so instead he wants to make a spectacle of Hillary Clinton instead because that's what he knows and that's what he's comfortable with. Like no one would know that his personal guests that he invited cause problems on live TV. It'd be all the media needs to stop taking him seriously at all and burn him to the ground. It may be why Ailes left since while he may not have morals, he does have standards as he's a professional. That's a wild guess though. I really do think that Trump is in full on wounded animal mode and will do absolutely anything to preserve his pride to the detriment of absolutely everyone else. My hope is that good or ill it goes off without a hitch and is super boring and that Trump doesn't make a spectacle of it. I'd never hear the end of it in my lifetime if someone rushed the stage or leaped up and called her a murderer.
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FYI from the same batch of Emerson polls PA is only Clinton +3 so that's a bit worrying
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Joe Paterno knew and at best deliberately ignored it for a decade and people still try to defend him cookie dough can we emptyquote in d&d
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I hope he breaks down and tells his supporters flat-out that they might as well stay home and not vote at all because it's rigged or whatever other reason. In his mind this might be "owning" failure. But it would be a downticket cataclysm.
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Egg McMuffin might be the most quietly interesting subplot of this election. I can't wait to root like hell for him the moment the race is called for Hillary. By all account s that should be before the votes in Utah are even counted.
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Goatman Sacks posted:FYI from the same batch of Emerson polls PA is only Clinton +3 so that's a bit worrying Emerson is the lovely land line only poll iirc.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Consequently, when was the last time we had an election that didn't have a sitting President, Vice President, Governor, or member of Congress as a candidate in either party? 1952? edit: Oh wait I see what you mean. Never mind.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Egg McMuffin might be the most quietly interesting subplot of this election. I can't wait to root like hell for him the moment the race is called for Hillary. By all account s that should be before the votes in Utah are even counted. Can you give me a 101 rundown about the guy? I've barely heard of him until he pulled ahead in the Utah poles a few days ago.
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NmareBfly posted:When I was ~13 my family was on vacation in Prague and we saw Hillary doing a procession through the old Jewish cemetary and I remember a fleeting instant of eye contact from across several gravestones. She did not look like she was having a fun time. ok that guy on the right is clearly David Cross doing a character
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Wiz posted:John Miller. Moderator: "Before we begin, Donald Trump has told me he has an announcement to make. Go ahead, Mr. Trump." Trump: "For twelve months you have been asking: 'Who is John Miller?' This is John Miller speaking..."
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theflyingorc posted:can we emptyquote in d&d Seriously, that is my biggest issue when I deal with Paterno apologists. The best possible interpretation of events still means Paterno was told of the incident in 2003 and just completely ignored it. Even if you want to believe he wasn't part of the cover-up (he was), he still admitted to knowing and not following up on it ever
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Consequently, when was the last time we had an election that didn't have a sitting President, Vice President, Governor, or member of Congress as a candidate in either party? 1908
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mdemone posted:Where is Joementum when you really need him. Had this thought earlier. Did he give up on SA? edit: or did we give up on him? or did he get a job?
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My family was on vacation in Maine when I was small, and we got stuck in hideous traffic because the HW Bush motorcade was heading the same way we were on it's way to Kennebunkport. I remember thinking it was cool we were that close to the president, but also being sorta mad at him for holding things up because my little brother had shat his diaper and the backseat smelled awful. My dad had to talk my mom down from giving him the finger
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Longish read, but a good read of an interview with Naomi Klein and Glen Greenwald about the journalistic ethics of covering a lot of the poo poo wikileaks is upto these days: https://theintercept.com/2016/10/19/is-disclosure-of-podestas-emails-a-step-too-far-a-conversation-with-naomi-klein Outside of barring her from entering the room there's nothing that will prevent it from happening. If she starts screaming how do they stop it? Drag her out of the room?
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I seem to remember the dilbert guy being considerably more pro-Trump just 2 months ago 🤔
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Scent of Worf posted:I seem to remember the dilbert guy being considerably more pro-Trump just 2 months ago 🤔 He's still really pro-Trump, he's just a mealy-mouthed turd about it because he's legitimately afraid he will be put up against the wall in a Clinton win scenario.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Consequently, when was the last time we had an election that didn't have a sitting President, Vice President, Governor, or member of Congress as a candidate in either party? I think it may have been Taft vs. Bryan in 1908 e: dammit
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Why does McMullin have such a huge lead in Utah? I get he filed too late in order to get on the ballot, so Utah is one of the only states he can win. He's mormon, sure, but otherwise ?? edit: someone already asked, and it got answered below!
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Chokes McGee posted:So is McMullin just the "Ed Balls" of this election for Utah, or...? Ice Phisherman posted:Can you give me a 101 rundown about the guy? I've barely heard of him until he pulled ahead in the Utah poles a few days ago. He's a Mormon dude who is a really orthodox Republican, running on basically just a #NeverTrump platform. That's all there is to it, really.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Can you give me a 101 rundown about the guy? I've barely heard of him until he pulled ahead in the Utah poles a few days ago. Formerly worked at the CIA. Has a lot of money Big into the LDS network through involvement at BYU Republican that ran as an independent to protest Trump's less than stellar neo-conservative foreign policy credentials and vulgarity Doing well in Utah polls because Mormon conservatives don't like Trump Almost certainly not going to do as well in the actual vote as he does in polls, because he is a protest candidate. Some people will come around to Trump and some just won't vote.
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size1one posted:Outside of barring her from entering the room there's nothing that will prevent it from happening. If she starts screaming how do they stop it? Drag her out of the room? Yes? If Im not mistaken audience members have to sign that they will follow the rules or be removed.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Formerly worked at the CIA. So why do we care if he wins Utah?* Just because Republicans always win there? *Utah!
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