Pinterest Mom posted:

Tochiazuma posted:

Over Dykstra? Whoa

And why do you think the ONDP are going to take that seat?

Pinterest Mom posted:

Process of elimination, mostly. Hudak didn't run particularly strong in the riding even when he was leader, the OLP is the OLP, the ONDP has surprising strength in the Niagara region, and the PCs nominated a literal child whose main claim to fame is really disliking that women have agency.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Sam Oosterhoff, 19, has won the PC nomination in Niagara West–Glanbrook, Tim Hudak's seat. Looks like he won thanks to support from the anti-choice lobby.


(ONDP's going to win it)

Pinterest Mom posted:

Process of elimination, mostly. Hudak didn't run particularly strong in the riding even when he was leader, the OLP is the OLP, the ONDP has surprising strength in the Niagara region, and the PCs nominated a literal child whose main claim to fame is really disliking that women have agency.

Three Hole Punk posted:

Yeah Niagara, especially Welland is strong NDP turf, a lot of people there are still in unions or were within the last 10 years.

Mr_Roke posted:

There are a few problems with that piece:

1) The Feds aren't cutting health transfers, they're cutting the rate of growth of transfer from 6% to a minimum of 3%¹.
2) Greenhouse gas emissions from the oil sands in 2014 were 67.8 million tonnes² , California's total emissions that year were 441.5 million tonnes³ so no, the oil sands do not have greater emissions than California
3) If Canada's still basing our economy on fossil fuels we're doing a lovely job of it if we compared to say, Norway. Oil and gas accounts for 22% of GDP⁴ while the entirety of oil and gas extraction, mining, and quarrying is 8.1% of GDP⁵ (I couldn't find just oil & gas figures although I saw a few tweets on Twitter saying it was about 4%).
4) The Northwest Mounted Police/RCMP used horses before the 1930s, come on.

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The annoying thing is I think the premise of the article is reasonable, Canada's not all sunshine and sunny ways and there are some things that are horrible (living conditions and treatment of the indigenous peoples being the biggest one) and other things that should also be better. You don't have to make stuff up to make that case but Brown went ahead and did that.

And then when it's pointed out to him on Twitter by people who know their stuff like Andrew Leach (on the emissions) or Emmett Macfarlane (on the health care "cuts") he completely ignores them while mocking absurd critics like Ezra Levant. I would think somebody who fancies themselves a media critic would be able to take and respond to reasonable criticism.

(I didn't look for all those figures for this thread... I sent an email to the Guardian's Readers' Editor which I guess makes me only slightly less unhinged).

Tochiazuma posted:

Over Dykstra? Whoa

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Incumbent Conservative MP Rick Dykstra was photographed drinking with multiple high school-aged girls at a nightclub last month. One girl, who was 16 at the time, now says she was offered VIP service if she claimed it never happened.

Helsing posted:

The fact is that if you despised the Harper government as much as a lot of Canadians did but you love Trudeau as much as many of the same Canadians do then it does suggest an underlying kind of incoherence or enthusiasm for style over substance.

cowofwar posted:

Predictably, the diesel spill response was a joke with them deploying booms that couldn't handle typical west coast conditions.

World class.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/community-in-state-of-shock-after-diesel-spill-booms-fail-1.3817560

Math You posted:

Also why the gently caress are these digital billboards as bright as they are? Are they trying to light the way to Regina?

Helsing posted:

Hiring the professional conservative ratfucker pollster and campaign guru who got you elected to take big sums of money advising you on the privatization of a public utility is such a perfect distillation of how Canadian politics works.

Helsing posted:

Hiring the professional conservative ratfucker pollster and campaign guru who got you elected to take big sums of money advising you on the privatization of a public utility is such a perfect distillation of how Canadian politics works.

infernal machines posted:

I feel odd sitting next Ikantski in the "I told you fuckers this was going to happen" box, but here we are, and no one wanted to listen back in 2014 with the specter of another Ford mayoralty haunting us.

Bonus: This is the lobbying/consulting dream team that enabled Uber to buy their own legislation in Toronto.

infernal machines posted:

I feel odd sitting next Ikantski in the "I told you fuckers this was going to happen" box, but here we are, and no one wanted to listen back in 2014 with the specter of another Ford mayoralty haunting us.

Bonus: This is the lobbying/consulting dream team that enabled Uber to buy their own legislation in Toronto.

Three Hole Punk posted:

I spent hours convincing friends that strategically voting for Tory would be worse than another term of Ford. I'm not sure how many listened but man, being right sucks sometimes.

vyelkin posted:

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Olivia Chow

Hexigrammus posted:

Humble Bundle has a "Hacking Capitalism" deal going on for a bunch on titles if, like me, you've been thinking about reading "This Changes Everything" or "The New Confessions of an Economic Hit Man".

Nothing about how to sharpen machetes, so I assume the hacking is all metaphorical.

Helsing posted:

It's a short article so why don't you go back and read it and then respond to it? I was going to reply to the rest of your post but frankly most of what you said is addressed in my response to Dreyland and besides when somebody combines a bunch sarcastic dismissals with a "tl;dr" it kinda dampens my enthusiasm for typing out a more thoughtful or in depth reply.

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The 14-member council was assembled by Finance Minister Bill Morneau to provide "bold" advice on how best to guide Canada's struggling economy out of its slow-growth rut.

One of their first recommendations, released last week, called for a gradual increase in permanent immigration to 450,000 people a year by 2021 -- with a focus on top business talent and international students. That would be a 50-per-cent hike from the current level of about 300,000.

The council members -- along with many others, including Economic Development Minister Navdeep Bains -- argue that opening Canada's doors to more newcomers is a crucial ingredient for expanding growth in the future.

They say it's particularly important as more and more of the country's baby boomers enter their golden years, which eats away at the workforce.

The conviction to bring in more immigrants is especially significant for at least two of the people around the advisory team's table.

The Century Initiative, a five-year-old effort by well-known Canadians, is focused on seeing the country of 36 million grow to 100 million by 2100.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/key-advisers-to-morneau-want-100-million-canadians-by-2100-1.3127759

PT6A posted:

Oh hey look, a terrible judge in my terrible province has made another embarrassingly lovely and ignorant ruling:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calgary/judges-order-4-year-old-boy-not-to-wear-girl-clothes-in-southeastern-alberta-town-1.3816829

Boy, Alberta is full of loving idiots, I'll tell you what!

the trump tutelage posted:

I'm curious to read the judges' reasoning.

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Smith and the child's father are separated and share custody.

Smith says she told the father what had happened and about her decision to support their child. Weeks later he served her with papers seeking primary custody, blaming Smith for the child's gender confusion and anxiety.

When the two went to family court in Medicine Hat in December, 2015, Judge D.G. Redman kept Smith as primary caregiver, but in his interim order, said the child will not be permitted to wear clearly female clothes in public, but if he chooses, he could do so in private.

Then earlier this year in February, the case went before Judge F.C. Fisher and in his interim order, he again stated the clothing restriction and granted primary custody to the father. Smith was given limited access

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By this past September, the interim clothing order was revised by a third provincial court judge. Judge G.K Krinke said after consulting with a parenting expert, the parents must provide both boy and girl clothing options and the child can then choose from those options.

PT6A posted:

Oh hey look, a terrible judge in my terrible province has made another embarrassingly lovely and ignorant ruling:

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calgary/judges-order-4-year-old-boy-not-to-wear-girl-clothes-in-southeastern-alberta-town-1.3816829

Boy, Alberta is full of loving idiots, I'll tell you what!

Guy DeBorgore posted:

Well sorry for the sarcasm but you're just coming at the issue from a really weird, oblique angle and spending way too many words to get from some OECD study (that isn't about immigration) to criticize the government's immigration policy.

The government doesn't use immigration just to grow the population, although they ARE worried about our aging demographics. The rationale for taking more immigrants is addressing skills shortages for businesses.

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Influential Liberal advisers want Canadian population to triple by 2100

By Andy Blatchford The Canadian Press

OTTAWA – Imagine Canada with a population of 100 million — roughly triple its current size.

For two of the most prominent voices inside the Trudeau government’s influential council of economic advisers, it’s much more than a passing fancy.

It’s a target.

The 14-member council was assembled by Finance Minister Bill Morneau to provide “bold” advice on how best to guide Canada’s struggling economy out of its slow-growth rut.

One of their first recommendations, released last week, called for a gradual increase in permanent immigration to 450,000 people a year by 2021 — with a focus on top business talent and international students. That would be a 50-per-cent hike from the current level of about 300,000.

The council members — along with many others, including Economic Development Minister Navdeep Bains — argue that opening Canada’s doors to more newcomers is a crucial ingredient for expanding growth in the future.

They say it’s particularly important as more and more of the country’s baby boomers enter their golden years, which eats away at the workforce.

The conviction to bring in more immigrants is especially significant for at least two of the people around the advisory team’s table.

Growth council chair Dominic Barton, the powerful global managing director of consulting firm McKinsey & Co., and Mark Wiseman, a senior managing director for investment management giant BlackRock Inc., are among the founders of a group dedicated to seeing the country responsibly expand its population as a way to help drive its economic potential.

The Century Initiative, a five-year-old effort by well-known Canadians, is focused on seeing the country of 36 million grow to 100 million by 2100.

Without significant policy changes on immigration, the current demographic trajectory has Canada’s population on track to reach 53 million people by the end of the century, the group says on its website. That would place it outside the top 45 nations in population size, it says.

Barton believes the demographic challenge will make Canada increasingly irrelevant over time, particularly given its already-small population size.

“Relevance is not just determined by your population, but it’s a factor given all the strengths we have,” Barton, a sought-after expert who has consulted government and business leaders around the world, said in an interview.

“Why wouldn’t we make that a strength if our diversity and multiculturalism is a strength, but it’s winnowing away as we’re getting older? Why wouldn’t we do the opposite and goose it?”

He believes Canada’s international influence would grow considerably with a bigger population. On top of that, Barton said the world would benefit from having a larger version of Canada’s stable, diversified democracy and economy.

“It’s a big number — to me, it’s more of an aspirational number,” he said when asked about the group’s goal.

The discussions that eventually blossomed into Century Initiative began in 2011 during a weekend gathering of friends at Barton’s cottage in Ontario’s Muskoka region, north of Toronto.

Sitting near the edge of Lake of Bays, surrounded by the Canadian Shield, they started brainstorming about the best ways to shelter the country’s economy from the gathering, predictable demographic storm.

Barton said the first informal get-together was followed by a few other meetings, including two group treks into the High Arctic.

The idea evolved and the group hired staffers and started funding research into the topic.

Barton sees a dovetail between some of the ideas behind the Century Initiative and the growth council, but he says they are separate.

In fact, behind the closed doors of the growth council meetings, Barton said the Century Initiative’s 100-million goal didn’t come up.

He did acknowledge that he and Wiseman were among the biggest proponents behind the immigration-boosting idea that the group presented to Morneau.

“Probably because Mark and I have been in (Century Initiative) we’re obviously more naturally bullish towards it,” said Barton, who also noted that there was a lot of debate on the scope of the immigration proposal.

Some people in the room wanted a more-aggressive approach, while others were “nervous” about moving too quickly, he added.

The Liberal government has committed to increasing immigration, but the cabinet minister in charge of the dossier has indicated that raising it to 450,000 in five years is likely too ambitious.

“We have an aging population, we have labour shortages, but there are also constraints,” John McCallum, who will announce Ottawa’s 2017 target on Nov. 1, said last week.

His cabinet colleague, Bains, recently told a policy conference that the government is encountering public “pushback” on its immigration plans from Canadians who fear for their jobs.

Bains urged the mostly business and academic crowd to help sell the idea of increasing immigration as a driver of prosperity and opportunity.

Barton said while there’s still nearly a full century to hit the 100-million mark, he stressed the country needs get started soon.

“You read about (former prime minister Wilfrid) Laurier — it was supposed to be Canada’s century,” Barton said of the 1900s.

“Canada did pretty well, but I don’t think we can say it was Canada’s century.”

Helsing posted:

The discussions that eventually blossomed into Century Initiative began in 2011 during a weekend gathering of friends at Barton’s cottage in Ontario’s Muskoka region, north of Toronto.

Sitting near the edge of Lake of Bays, surrounded by the Canadian Shield, they started brainstorming about the best ways to shelter the country’s economy from the gathering, predictable demographic storm.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Are there still people who think politics and campaigning are different things?