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Stereotype posted:If you're actually worried about these taxes (or basically any taxes that Republicans worry about, including estate taxes), you are poor and don't know how to take advantage of the estate and trust system. Well, yeah, the point is that American expatriates are taxed on foreign income, which is a thing that other countries don't do. This isn't just talking about rich people trying to hide their money, it's about anyone making any amount of money working a normal-rear end job in a different country -- they have to pay taxes in the country they're living and working in, of course (as they should), but then also pay US taxes. That's a dumb system no matter how you slice it. Note that the US, again, obviously requires non-citizens to pay US income tax if they are living and working in the States.
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CommieGIR posted:There is an impact that windmills have on birds and bats, I doubt its nearly as catastrophic as he's making it out to be, but its not insignificant either. Any energy source has a negative impact on the environment, we need to make a clear choice to balance out the most potential with harm with the most potential for good
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Stereotype posted:If you're actually worried about these taxes (or basically any taxes that Republicans worry about, including estate taxes), you are poor and don't know how to take advantage of the estate and trust system.
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Crow Jane posted:I guess Trump's back to windmills killing ALL OF THE BIRDS What is it with delusional people and fighting windmills? Don "Quijote" Trump!
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Solkanar512 posted:Why should we be kind to assholes who make it big in the United States but then leave when it comes time to pay their share? Nah, people rich enough to leave the country deserve all the benefit of the doubt. Now, this random farmer in Nebraska, on the other hand...
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Kilroy posted:You act as though they weren't already paying taxes while "making it big". Again, you live and work in the US as an ordinary citizen, paying taxes off the back of that, and if you leave and, after being overseas for long enough to qualify for citizenship somewhere, renounce your US citizenship, all your assets (including any you may have acquired after leaving the US) are up for taxation. That's because, in general, they weren't. Part of why they assume everything is liquidated is to prevent the extremely rich from tax-free moving tax-sheltered dollars out of the country. I'd be a lot more okay with it if they'd just stick a lower bound on it around $250k.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Any energy source has a negative impact on the environment, we need to make a clear choice to balance out the most potential with harm with the most potential for good True. Just saying there is an impact, and frankly, I'm still heavily Pro-Nuclear, which would easily have an impact should it go south. In other news: https://mic.com/articles/157471/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-will-debate-on-live-tv-at-historically-black-college#.ye8pwpG5S David Duke is going to debate at a historically black college. LOL.
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CommieGIR posted:There is an impact that windmills have on birds and bats, I doubt its nearly as catastrophic as he's making it out to be, but its not insignificant either. It's about 250k a year. Compare with tall buildings (like Trump Tower) and buildings in general, which is about 600 million. As with everything Trump, it's projection.
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CommieGIR posted:True. Just saying there is an impact, and frankly, I'm still heavily Pro-Nuclear, which would easily have an impact should it go south. I really want to like Nuclear more but I have zero faith in the ability of the American government to regulate
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If you really cared about birds you'd implement programs to round up all feral cats and make it illegal to let your cats go outside, since cats kill anywhere from about 1.5 - 3 billion birds in the US every year
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Two questions: WTF is arzying? Why is Texas considered in play now? Every poll 538 has on the state has Trump in the lead in some capacity-- some of them quite comfortably.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I really want to like Nuclear more but I have zero faith in the ability of the American government to regulate Are you familiar with the current state of American nuclear regulation? Because it may very well be the sole and only actual example of the Libertarian principal of regulating a legitimate concern out of business. It takes decades to open a new reactor these days, and it isn't because that's how long they take to build safely.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I really want to like Nuclear more but I have zero faith in the ability of the American government to regulate I have faith in the Government to regulate it. I have no faith in private companies to manage it and MEET those regulations. Lemming posted:If you really cared about birds you'd implement programs to round up all feral cats and make it illegal to let your cats go outside, since cats kill anywhere from about 1.5 - 3 billion birds in the US every year Also very true.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I really want to like Nuclear more but I have zero faith in the ability of the American government to regulate I wonder how many people feel about this way about (federal) taxes in general. Like "Oh yeah I'd love it if [program X] existed but I just don't trust the American government to do it correctly, they'll probably make it even worse off than before!"
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So I guess my local press is publicly shaming Trump supporters now http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...1023-story.html
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Lemming posted:If you really cared about birds you'd implement programs to round up all feral cats and make it illegal to let your cats go outside, since cats kill anywhere from about 1.5 - 3 billion birds in the US every year Yep, if I were to pick something to do it'd be "get rid of most cats" before I started quibbling with turbines.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Two questions: For question one - read the OP. It's good. For question two - Obama overperformed polls by 2-3 points in 2012 due to superior GOTV efforts. If Hillary does even better than that, then polls showing Trump up by 3 in Texas = Blue Texas.
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Carlosologist posted:I just saw a pro-Donnie ad. I live in Jersey, which is probably about as blue as you can get, and I'm closer to New York than to PA. very wise spending by the Donnie, imo NJ is the shadow/0th shttiest state. Above FL and those other states that keep trying to "win" the #1 spot. Also your fatass governor was the first major GOPe to bend the knee for Donnie.
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Bassetking posted:If I am in med-school. I agree with this and wasn't attempting to state otherwise. The thing I was making bones about was that pay the GP's make being peanuts. It's less than what a specialist makes and so the incentive is there to leave behind being a family doctor for the more lucrative positions. Under a UHC scheme, capping specialist pay to some value relatively close to GP pay seems, on its face, to be a path forward. I don't know what sort of work stress GP's face as compared to skin people, but that could be another issue, too. Especially considering the fuckup that is our insurance claims system in the US.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:WTF is arzying? This gets asked a lot but the short story is there was a poster named Arzy who used to panic at every sign that Obama could lose or was down in any area of the US. Later he did some random 180 and became a Republican supporter. He's banned.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:WTF is arzying? Slang term for someone too dumb to read da OP.
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Liquid Communism posted:That's because, in general, they weren't. Part of why they assume everything is liquidated is to prevent the extremely rich from tax-free moving tax-sheltered dollars out of the country. computer parts posted:Nah, people rich enough to leave the country deserve all the benefit of the doubt. Now, this random farmer in Nebraska, on the other hand...
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Lol CNNs main page is great right now. "Poll: She'll win, he'll whine" With a smiling Hillary and frowning Donald.
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Carlosologist posted:I just saw a pro-Trump ad. I live in Jersey, which is probably about as blue as you can get, and I'm closer to New York than to PA. very wise spending by the Donald, imo He seems to be doing a lot of national ad buys on CNN. Too little too late though.
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Kilroy posted:You act as though they weren't already paying taxes while "making it big". Again, you live and work in the US as an ordinary citizen, paying taxes off the back of that, and if you leave and, after being overseas for long enough to qualify for citizenship somewhere, renounce your US citizenship, all your assets (including any you may have acquired after leaving the US) are up for taxation. You used 401ks as an example of the assets that would become unfairly taxed when the whole purpose of putting money into a 401k is to defer the taxes until retirement age. How is that double-taxation?
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Svanja posted:Make sure to check if your polling place is open for early voting! Not all of them are. Just google Early Voting in Texas and Google has made it so that any info you need is right there. Should be a place you can list your address and the google map will show you the open polling place near you. The one in my neighborhood was not open, so I had to drive a little bit. I waited an hour and a half in line to early vote yesterday in Austin, TX. Which was just about a long as I waited in line to vote during the day of the primary (at the same location).
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Two questions: Reports coming out that early turnout is like 100% more than 2012, I think.
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Kilroy posted:So your defense of the US taxation scheme as it applies to expatriates is that it only impacts poor people? It actually specifically doesn't impact poor people. It only impacts the pseudo-rich who want to dodge their tax obligations but don't actually know how. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/expatriation-tax quote:Expatriation on or after June 17, 2008 Unless you consider people whose net worths are greater than $2M poor. The reason the USA taxes its foreign citizens living abroad is because we assume that you draw some benefit from being a citizen. For example you can return to the country without a visa and get a job at a moment's notice, when it can take up to a DECADE to do that as a non-citizen. You can also be evacuated from unfriendly countries. Quit crying about how hard it is to abandon your rich first world country.
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saltylopez posted:You used 401ks as an example of the assets that would become unfairly taxed when the whole purpose of putting money into a 401k is to defer the taxes until retirement age. How is that double-taxation?
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Why is Texas considered in play now? Every poll 538 has on the state has Trump in the lead in some capacity-- some of them quite comfortably. It's not really. The fact that it is within the margin of error is huge news though. Romney won Texas by nearly 16 percent points. Most people don't believe it's going to happen, but it sets a clear signal for the coming elections. But to put it in perspective, Hillary has a bigger chance to win Texas than Trump has to win the election.
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I spent a hour waiting in Hot Springs, AR which seemed only a little annoying given how few machines there were.
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Kilroy posted:If you have a 401k account in the US but have not yet retired and drawn from it, then the value of that 401k is treated as income the year you renounce and you own income taxes on it. The account itself is untouched and remains as-is, and when you actually go to draw on it you will be subject to whatever taxes you were going to owe from drawing on it anyway. Here is the first google result on how you avoid that with a simple form http://hodgen.com/income-taxation-of-a-covered-expatriates-401k-plan/
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Bassetking posted:It is a rare person who looks at the profession, says "This is what is desperately needed" and then does that, in direct action against their own self-interest. My medical subspecialty, Infectious Diseases, is currently in crisis due to exactly the above. As the threats of mutiply drug-resistant bacteria and new emerging infectious diseases loom, over half of our fellowship spots are going unfilled each year, and the existing population of ID docs is getting grayer and closer to retirement. Since the rise of the Internal Medicine hospitalist, it just doesn't make sense to go into ID any more. The initial opportunity cost of doing an ID fellowship versus going into practice is about $300-$400k, and then once you're done you have the privilege of making 20-40% less than if you just went back and practiced Internal Medicine. Often ID fellows figure this out during training, and either abandon their specialty for general medicine or do another fellowship in something more lucrative. The only people who are left are the ones who are out to save the world or who just think working with bacteria and viruses and parasite is cool enough to be worth several million dollars in lost lifetime earnings. And guess what? There are not very many of us that fall into those categories. If you want more PCPs, change the reimbursement schemes to value primary care and spending time with patients rather than completing procedures. Also gently caress the AMA, they are only interested in protecting the interests of the wealthy sub-specialists who finance their lobbying and don't give a drat about me and mine.
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Kilroy posted:You act as though they weren't already paying taxes while "making it big". Again, you live and work in the US as an ordinary citizen, paying taxes off the back of that, and if you leave and, after being overseas for long enough to qualify for citizenship somewhere, renounce your US citizenship, all your assets (including any you may have acquired after leaving the US) are up for taxation. Sales tax is also "double-taxation". Also up until that day, the ex-patriot in question had direct access to US Embassies, benefited from treaties negotiated by the US State Department and so on. I'm not going to argue that this is a perfect system, but I'm having a difficult time feeling terrible for the insanely rich folks this happens to catch off guard. Mel Mudkiper posted:I really want to like Nuclear more but I have zero faith in the ability of the American government to regulate Our record so far is really, really good. You can also look to the US Navy or other heavily regulated areas like aviation.
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Crow Jane posted:So I guess my local press is publicly shaming Trump supporters now quote:There’s anxiety in the United States, all right, but it’s not only economic anxiety, the one commonly referenced as an explanation for Trump’s support in the coming election. It’s anxiety about the level of hate that infests the world’s most powerful democracy, anxiety that we’ve reached a point where violence is openly and brazenly suggested as a means of protest and change Seriously thank you.
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NomChompsky posted:This is actually nicer than his real handwriting, which is unintelligible scribbles that alternate between lowercase and uppercase letters totally at random. Holy poo poo you are not wrong http://handwritinguniversity.com/members/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/vanityfair.notes_.donaldtrump.jpg
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i think the funniest thing so far in this most recent quarter of the election, is the whole concept of democratic voter fraud. saw one of my friends on FB who now lives in Florida post some FWDFWDFWD grandma poo poo about how ~SOMEONES VOTE WAS CHANGED FROM REPUB TO DEM, WATCH OUT!!!~ like, dude, you do realize that the supreme court is coming down hard on repub-ran states for voter suppression, which is a form of election fraud, right??
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:Yep, if I were to pick something to do it'd be "get rid of most cats" before I started quibbling with turbines. Maybe it'll happen when turbines start outperforming cats at viral videos. Fuzzy Turbine Spins to You Spin Me Round  like-comment-subscribe thanks!
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Stereotype posted:Unless you consider people whose net worths are greater than $2M poor. Stereotype posted:The reason the USA taxes its foreign citizens living abroad is because we assume that you draw some benefit from being a citizen. For example you can return to the country without a visa and get a job at a moment's notice, when it can take up to a DECADE to do that as a non-citizen. You can also be evacuated from unfriendly countries. The benefits you get overseas from being a US citizen are identical to the ones you get being a citizen of any first-world nation. The US does nothing special or extra here, to justify these dumb laws.
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