lozzle posted:

Well, I guess Clinton is gonna assassinate Scott Adams now just like he feared.

Trabisnikof posted:

I can understand it from a perspective that many countries have restrictions on what foreigners can do. Heck, even in America, foreigners aren't allowed to visit our coolest fusion lasers.


But I don't have much sympathy for complaints about the tax process for millionaires who do so.

PhilippAchtel posted:

I am a US citizen living abroad who has had to file a 1040 (in addition to local income taxes) every year since they left. I've been able to deduct the whole of my income due to the foreign earned income exclusion each year, but it's still a pain in the butt and gets a chuckle out of my friends and spouse every year. I certainly don't look forward to handling this when my income situation gets more complicated, but I'll probably hire an accountant to do it for me by then.

Reasons someone might want to renounce their US citizenship other than being a scumbag tax dodger? Maybe they've lived in their adoptive country for multiple decades, have raised a family in their new home, and just don't identify as a citizen of the US any longer. It's not that complicated.

AMA

Edit: Oh, you also have to declare all accounts that have contained more than $10,000 every year. It's intended to go after money launderers, but it means you have to declare all your savings and retirement accounts every year or risk something like a six-figure fine. Not a huge paperwork burden, but just another of those things US citizens abroad have to do every year.

Kilroy posted:

Well here is a list provided by USPOL of the services provided by the US government to its citizens living abroad, which most countries do not provide and which justify having an onerous expat taxation scheme matched only by Eritrea and an expatriation tax matched by nobody and which doesn't even do what everyone says it's supposed to do (i.e. gently caress over rich tax-dodgers). Anyway here's the list:

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Kilroy posted:

Well here is a list provided by USPOL of the services provided by the US government to its citizens living abroad, which most countries do not provide and which justify having an onerous expat taxation scheme matched only by Eritrea and an expatriation tax matched by nobody and which doesn't even do what everyone says it's supposed to do (i.e. gently caress over rich tax-dodgers). Anyway here's the list:

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PT6A posted:

Also, why do Americans seem to agree that American citizens should be taxed on foreign income while living in a foreign country? Even if there's a substantial deduction available, it still makes no sense beyond "they have money, we want money" which is a pretty stupid reason to do anything.

Zanzibar Ham posted:

But how will renouncing your US citizenship help you get a citizenship in the new country? I mean I guess if you're living in a place hostile to the US it'd make sense, forgot about that I'll admit.

emdash posted:

you are insanely obnoxious (and i don't have any opinion on the point you're trying to make), and "WELL THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH ME WON'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS" is not an argument in your favor, or a sweet rhetorical jab, or really anything at all. If you can't answer questions in good faith there's no reason for them to either

Kilroy posted:

Well here is a list provided by USPOL of the services provided by the US government to its citizens living abroad, which most countries do not provide and which justify having an onerous expat taxation scheme matched only by Eritrea and an expatriation tax matched by nobody and which doesn't even do what everyone says it's supposed to do (i.e. gently caress over rich tax-dodgers). Anyway here's the list:

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Kilroy posted:

I'll in good faith answer questions asked in good faith. There were none. What there was instead was a bunch of poo poo posters complaining about and mischaracterizing a completely different discussion from last night, along with a slew of "why do you care so much about millionaires" bullshit.

Trabisnikof posted:

No I mean, if you had citizenship somewhere and wanted to run for office or avoid as much lingering social stigma of being a foreigner as possible. Ted Cruz pronouncing his Canadian citizenship being a prime example, he doesn't hate Canada he just needs to be "more American" for the job he wants .

iospace posted:

Meanwhile, in Clinton land:
https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/791016217582657536

SubponticatePoster posted:

Hmm, average Trump rally-attendee will understand about half of the words in that sentence, but not when they are put together in that order. Who wrote that poo poo?

iospace posted:

Feldegast42 posted:

What is with all the people crawling out of the cracks saying that Hitlery will be starting WW3 ANY DAY NOW

emdash posted:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/undercover-border-militia-immigration-bauer

Probably already posted but clearly worth a repost since the last several pages have been real bad. Mother Jones' new longform piece by a reporter who joined a border militia undercover.

iospace posted:

https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/791018193443749888

Okan170 posted:

He just canceled out of a KSC tour (that was to go to more locations then was physically possible in one day) before dropping the whole area because they wouldn't let him hold a rally anywhere nearby.

Maybe this is him trying to replace that with pandering a little bit to get some of those conservative space engineers for whom the Democrats can do no good.

foobardog posted:

You misunderstand me, I support Clinton. I'm merely saying that there will likely be a more obvious organized war in Syria, and that it will be treated like WW3 in that we will ally with either Iran or Russia as well as an international coalition to end the Syrian Civil War. It will have few disadvantages beyond, you know, war. If somehow Obama was going to have a 3rd term, he'd do it too. Forming an international coalition to handle a major problem is one of the better uses of interventionism.

lozzle posted:

Russia has no interest in ending the war unless it results in an Assad victory. We won't be allying with them any time soon (they're dicks anyway).

Kilroy posted:

you're an expat before you renounce in 99% of cases, obviously

I think I'm just going to have to step back as it's clear almost no one in this thread has the first loving idea what they're talking about. I didn't expect USPOL would also harbor the same attitudes toward loving over US citizens overseas that the general population does, but I set my expectations too high in this case.

emdash posted:

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/791020525497843713

2016 is amazing

emdash posted:

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/791020525497843713

2016 is amazing

Broken Box posted:

Teaching absolutely, I feel like most of us here have read articles and testimony from posters about their experiences. I don't think I've seen many other social workers on the forums though.

I'm a social worker a few months away from receiving my masters, a degree that is drat near a necessity in this field, and I've taken on a load of debt for my education and have worked four internships in my educational career that were worse than unpaid, because I was* paying* tuition in my program to take them on. I've worked unarmed in the depths of poverty, decrepit homes and unsafe neighborhoods police officers wouldn't imagine stepping into without a gun. Many, if not most of my clients with personality disorders and PTSD are armed. I'm in a red state with some of the most underfunded and perversely targeted social safety programs in the country, and depending on the funding mechanisms that your agency depends on there's no guarantee your job will even exist in a few months, let alone dare to dream of seeing regular pay raises to make token recognition of the insane, often on-call hours required of many of the jobs I've done. I always see people in crisis where the resources available are sparse and their experiences unthinkable in a country as wealthy as ours. I once broke down when a little girl complained when I gave her a yellow crayon to draw a banana, because she had lived on donated/hunted food her whole life and never saw any banana peels that weren't dark brown. I've cheered when the thankless clients, such as paranoid schizophrenic klansmen, would get a new job or moved into stable housing even as they decried the help they received-- the government, my career and my values, for simply existing. Many of my coworkers came from other fields to do this kind of work, knowing that they were taking a significant cut in income and lifestyle to do it. They wanted a career where they could keep their soul, and I commend them for it. The jobs exist, but we're all praying we can get the ones we've been interning and working so hard for all along. There's a lot of horizontal movement in social work, but moving up is difficult. Most of us take on multiple jobs instead.

That's not to say it's all dire economic straits and tragedy-- LCSWs get paid very well and are among the most in-demand jobs in the country right now, and my particular career path is among the most competitive in pay and benefits. But it has taken much to get where I am now and it will take years more to get to where I want to be, and without passion to do this work there are absolutely not enough incentives for someone to do it. Even with passion, the level of burnout doing social work is unreal. The lows are so low, the highs are often bittersweet. Other professionals often totally misunderstand what we do, and interdisciplinary education is a necessary part of even being able to do the job. The demand for social work in this country is rapidly growing, but without compensation for the level of education and dedication required for someone to work these jobs it'll never attract the workforce numbers we need. And without the support of effective social services, we'll continue failing generation after generation of our most vulnerable citizens.

cult member at airport posted:

Kilroy posted:

you're an expat before you renounce in 99% of cases, obviously

I think I'm just going to have to step back as it's clear almost no one in this thread has the first loving idea what they're talking about. I didn't expect USPOL would also harbor the same attitudes toward loving over US citizens overseas that the general population does, but I set my expectations too high in this case.

quote:

Trump halts big-money fundraising, cutting off cash to the party — a scoop from @mateagold
http://wapo.st/2ePoklo

emdash posted:

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/791020525497843713

2016 is amazing

PT6A posted:

I think it's really impressive how effectively Trump solved Clinton's "enthusiasm gap" problem for her.