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Tato posted:Was sad to see Steve Dillon died this weekend, always a huge fan. Didn't realize how he died until I read this thread, it shook me as I've been having abdominal pain the last few days I wrote off to pulling a muscle. Got freaked out by the news and went to the hospital to be sure. Now I'm in a bed scheduled to have my appendix removed after it ruptured last week. drat Dillon just saved a life from beyond the grave
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:I'm kinda skeeved that people are openly celebrating Jack Chick's death on social media to the level where he's a Hussein/Osama or even a Phelps or Limbaugh. Dude was a lovely homophobic racist idiot that literally everyone but him regarded as a laughingstock, whose life's work is regarded as ironically "good"/spawned a wave of socially satirical parodies. He was a dumb weird old man who nobody took seriously, and there's this whole contingent of people gleefully celebrating his death as if he caused any real harm whatsoever. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2016/10/24/haw-haw-haw/ quote:Chick was certainly a crank, but he was anything but harmless. He hurt people. His tracts did and still do real harm to the many people in all the groups he attacked as literally demonic. And his life’s work did real and ongoing harm to all the Christians who read them and believed them. They swallowed Chick’s flattery — you are special, righteous and blessed, everyone else is a servant of Satan deserving of torment — and developed a taste for it. And that stuff is soul-killing poison. There’s a reason pride is considered the cardinal sin, as the gravest threat to the cardinal virtue. Chick’s tracts helped turn his Christian followers into creatures of pride, incapable of love. Not saying it's a reason to celebrate (I, myself, am just hoping his ideas don't long outlive him), but he was far from harmless.
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I won't mourn for Jack Chick and I won't pretend he or his beliefs are due any sort of respect just because he has died (his entire theology boiled down to "My beliefs make me better than you" so there isn't really anything to respect about them), but I certainly wouldn't celebrate his death. It just seems wrong to me. 
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Senior Woodchuck posted:http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2016/10/24/haw-haw-haw/ Fair point. I get the humanistic predilection to celebrate a monstrous human being's death (I was pretty loving glad when Thatcher and Scalia died, for instance, and felt unbelievable relief over Osama's death), I just never really felt like Chick was ever worthy of that level of scorn. I absolutely disagreed, loudly, with everything he ever wrote, but this sense of "ding dong the witch is dead" I'm getting from social media feels kind of ghoulish in this specific case.
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[extremely Sam Jackson voice] Yes he deserved to die and I hope he burns in hell I actually had never even read one of his cartoons or whatever so I'm kinda ambivalent here if that's not clear site fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 00:11
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site posted:[extremely Sam Jackson voice] Yes he deserved to die and I hope he burns in hell You obviously know his stuff well enough to quote them. 
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Oct 26, 2016 00:23
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Wheat Loaf posted:You obviously know his stuff well enough to quote them. Heyoo! 
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Oct 26, 2016 00:25
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Having read many, I only ever found Chick's Christian beliefs notable for how severe his anti-Catholicism was. Everything else was just basic street evangelism that happened to be in a quirky comic book.
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Ghostlight posted:Having read many, I only ever found Chick's Christian beliefs notable for how severe his anti-Catholicism was. Everything else was just basic street evangelism that happened to be in a quirky comic book. Chick's anti-Catholicism was pretty extreme even by the standards of most varieties of Protestant fundamentalism, which seem to have some sort of theological basis to their sectarianism; Chick's anti-Catholicism was essentially conspiracy theory. Of course, in America, I think anti-Catholicism was historically tied up with nativism more so than actual religious debate - for one thing, most of the immigrants who arrived in America in the 19th and early 20th centuries tended to be Roman Catholics (Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans), and on top of that, there was the centuries-old view that Catholics are intrinsically disloyal because they owe political allegiance to the head of another temporal government, i.e. the Pope.
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I think my favorite illustration of how awful Jack Chick's worldview was was this comic where a couple is on a plane and mentions that they've been doing missionary work in Africa, helping the poor, educating them, etc. and the other passenger is horrified that they didn't make converting people their number one priority. Then the plane crashes and the couple goes to hell for not spreading the word of God. And they're like "But didn't we do good?" and God replies "Me saving everyone's souls is the only good that ever needs doing! You presume too much!"
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Oct 26, 2016 01:36
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Lurdiak posted:I think my favorite illustration of how awful Jack Chick's worldview was was this comic where a couple is on a plane and mentions that they've been doing missionary work in Africa, helping the poor, educating them, etc. and the other passenger is horrified that they didn't make converting people their number one priority. Then the plane crashes and the couple goes to hell for not spreading the word of God. And they're like "But didn't we do good?" and God replies "Me saving everyone's souls is the only good that ever needs doing! You presume too much!" Chick did a comic where a serial killer in prison accepts Jesus and dies and goes to heaven, while a bunch of charitable good atheists and Catholics and whatnot go and burn in hell.
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I'm reasonably sure the Bible does say you can't earn salvation through good deeds, but at the same time, I'm also fairly certain that the couple in the strip were actually identified as being evangelists as well, so they presumably have been teaching people about the Bible, spreading the word and so on, but apparently that wasn't good enough for some reason. Presumably because they weren't using Chick tracts to do it.
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His Satanism scare stuff is good to use for metal band covers and posters, at least.
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Oct 26, 2016 01:58
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The fundamental nature of evangelical faith is that although good works are obviously good, they are also only temporal and therefore the only good work that really matters is saving souls through the Word.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm reasonably sure the Bible does say you can't earn salvation through good deeds, but at the same time, I'm also fairly certain that the couple in the strip were actually identified as being evangelists as well, so they presumably have been teaching people about the Bible, spreading the word and so on, but apparently that wasn't good enough for some reason. Presumably because they weren't using Chick tracts to do it. Jesus gives exactly 2 explicit instructions for getting to heaven, the first and most important is loving God, the second is loving your neighbors, neither of those involve converting people. Good works doesn't necessarily fall under that, but providing aid to the needy is something that someone who loves everyone would do. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 03:14
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Skwirl posted:Jesus gives exactly 2 explicit instructions for getting to heaven, the first and most important is loving God, the second is loving your neighbors, neither of those involve converting people. Good works doesn't necessarily fall under that, but providing aid to the needy is something that someone who loves everyone would do.
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CapnAndy posted:I really think we should head this off right now, Faith vs. Works has been debated for literal millenia and is not going to be settled by an internet comic book forum. Let us all come together in brotherhood on the common ground that Jack Chick had lovely, hateful, and self-contradictory beliefs. Cool av what is it from
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Oct 26, 2016 03:24
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Skwirl posted:Jesus gives exactly 2 explicit instructions for getting to heaven, the first and most important is loving God, the second is loving your neighbors, neither of those involve converting people. Good works doesn't necessarily fall under that, but providing aid to the needy is something that someone who loves everyone would do.
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Oct 26, 2016 03:32
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Shut up, nerds
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site posted:Cool av what is it from You haven't seen it before? If there's an avatar I associate with chat threads, it's probably that.
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Teenage Fansub posted:You haven't seen it before? If there's an avatar I associate with chat threads, it's probably that. I usually browse on (android) awful app i just happened to accidentally tap the av and suddenly it started moving!
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Oct 26, 2016 03:53
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Game of Thrones, BTW.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Game of Thrones, BTW. Ty
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CapnAndy posted:I really think we should head this off right now, Faith vs. Works has been debated for literal millenia and is not going to be settled by an internet comic book forum. Let us all come together in brotherhood on the common ground that Jack Chick had lovely, hateful, and self-contradictory beliefs. Amen.
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My avatar is special because it's way, way above the file size limit; some mod gave it to me and I don't know which one but I'm very grateful.
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Oct 26, 2016 05:53
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Lurdiak posted:I think my favorite illustration of how awful Jack Chick's worldview was was this comic where a couple is on a plane and mentions that they've been doing missionary work in Africa, helping the poor, educating them, etc. and the other passenger is horrified that they didn't make converting people their number one priority. Then the plane crashes and the couple goes to hell for not spreading the word of God. And they're like "But didn't we do good?" and God replies "Me saving everyone's souls is the only good that ever needs doing! You presume too much!" I was Christian until I got online and Jack Chick was essentially my first exposure to Bad Christianity. He's gonna have to confront his weird faceless god with the fact that his evangelism score is somewhere in the negatives.
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CapnAndy posted:My avatar is special because it's way, way above the file size limit; some mod gave it to me and I don't know which one but I'm very grateful. You should be careful not to piss off the gun forum then!
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Oct 26, 2016 11:45
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Hey, I think most of the gun forum likes me. At least right now.
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Oct 26, 2016 11:54
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About a year ago we discovered somebody was sneaking Chick Tracts into the bagged and boarded comics here in the store. It sure was fun inspecting 6000+ books searching for those things!
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How did they react to getting banned from the store for trying to contaminate your product with literal hate speech?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/laura_hudson/status/791356457170051073 BMB needs to be fired...Out of a cannon into the sun.
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Generously, I think he was trying to be comforting, ie "the people who told you that you should kill yourself cuz you're gay aren't REAL Christians".
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It's transparently clear Bendis meant "It's a larger systemic sexism issue that happens to include comics within it, being that it's an industry dominated by 20-to-30-something straight white manbabies who get their every need catered to and throw gigantic loving fits when something isn't marketed solely to them, like movies or video games or TV or basically any form of media ever". Which is, you know, absolutely true. And something he has direct experience with, considering what happened when he created Miles Morales. Or, you know, pretend that BMB is some All Lives Matter-rear end, gamergate-rear end douchebag despite that running in direct conflict with 1) virtually every single comic he's ever written 2) how he's lived his life 3) everything he's ever openly said and done about increased minority representation in comics. NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 20:35
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It's not Brian Michael Bendis.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:It's transparently clear Bendis meant "It's a larger systemic sexism issue that happens to include comics within it, being that it's an industry dominated by 20-to-30-something straight white manbabies who get their every need catered to and throw gigantic loving fits when something isn't marketed solely to them, like movies or video games or TV or basically any form of media ever". Which is, you know, absolutely true. And something he has direct experience with, considering what happened when he created Miles Morales. drat even Bendis' tweets are decompressed.
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People are for sure misunderstanding if they're taking BMB as attacking her. He's right to defend against the accusation that the medium is the real problem, but he should have conveyed it in more than three words. Maybe a "Sorry you're going through this. I can't imagine... but don't give up on comics. It's shitheads," and then "It's not comics" Apparently they talked more on it, but everything's deleted. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 21:03
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It's more like the Internet than comics. And specifically Twitter's completely toothless policies of dealing with that poo poo.
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Teenage Fansub posted:People are for sure misunderstanding if they're taking BMB as attacking her. To be fair, I thinking Twitter's character limit encourages those kind of brief comments, which is why I don't like using it.
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purple death ray posted:It's more like the Internet than comics. And specifically Twitter's completely toothless policies of dealing with that poo poo. Which is apparently why Disney decided not to buy them. So yeah, not clamping down on this poo poo is actively hurting them now. Good.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Which is apparently why Disney decided not to buy them. So yeah, not clamping down on this poo poo is actively hurting them now. Good. If they bought them, couldn't they force it?
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