ManlyGrunting posted:

I would recommend checking his twitter right this second, he is in full meltdown "I'm not owned!" mode and it's amazing. We should have a list of people to watch in the OP or something.

i am harry posted:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Alright, except that "heretofore" sort of implies you are no longer a citizen.

Josef bugman posted:

Does that mean people have to listen to him, or is he merely someone who has to do the occasional talk?

I thought that NY could still produce some quite "lefty" political leaders.

That... doesn't bode well for people who may be iffy on Clinton. Not that I am saying it'll go poorly, simply that I hope the poo poo head aspect of "give more money to me and my banks" doesn't win out.

Josef bugman posted:

Does that mean people have to listen to him, or is he merely someone who has to do the occasional talk?

I thought that NY could still produce some quite "lefty" political leaders.

That... doesn't bode well for people who may be iffy on Clinton. Not that I am saying it'll go poorly, simply that I hope the poo poo head aspect of "give more money to me and my banks" doesn't win out.

Nichael posted:

Scott Adams has been crazy for at least twenty years or so, but that Tweet's got to be a new level of awfulness for him.

lozzle posted:

You make more money than your neighbors but complain about having to pay taxes. You complain you get no tangible benefits but then immediately say you want to live in the US in the future. And finally you note that you could renounce your citizenship and not have to pay the taxes but you choose not to do so.

Is that correct?

rscott posted:

There isn't exactly much she can do about Schumer being the leader of the Democrats in the Senate, they make their own rules about how that goes since the position isn't an official one like Speaker of the House is. Honestly I don't know if he would stand in the way of passing crucial legislation like Joe Lieberman did if the president and the majority of the party was in favor of it.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

You're insane.

I make more than my neighbors where I live and thus pay relatively higher taxes in the country that I live in, for money I make here, not in the US.

I also pay taxes in the US at a rate that usually applies to people that have much higher incomes than me. I did not "complain" about them. I said that I get no tangible benefit today, which is true, but that I choose to pay them because I foresee a future benefit.

I also said that if I did not have that future benefit as an incentive, I would give up my US citizenship, which is what people have suggested.

You seem to be real mad about an imaginary person that isn't actually me.

lozzle posted:

You're wrong on this buddy. If the intention was for you to renounce citizenship there wouldn't be any "implying" going on; I assure you it would be quite explicit.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Dems crushing Trump in NC. Poll of those who voted have HRC up 63 to 37

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/10/democrats-leading-big-in-nc-early-voting.html

Charlz Guybon posted:

Dems crushing Trump in NC. Poll of those who voted have HRC up 63 to 37

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/10/democrats-leading-big-in-nc-early-voting.html

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

You're insane.

I make more than my neighbors where I live and thus pay relatively higher taxes in the country that I live in, for money I make here, not in the US.

I also pay taxes in the US at a rate that usually applies to people that have much higher incomes than me. I did not "complain" about them. I said that I get no tangible benefit today, which is true, but that I choose to pay them because I foresee a future benefit.

I also said that if I did not have that future benefit as an incentive, I would give up my US citizenship, which is what people have suggested.

You seem to be real mad about an imaginary person that isn't actually me.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

rscott posted:

You aren't paying Medicare and Social Security tax so you aren't actually paying a higher rate than someone who makes that much in the US

Furnaceface posted:

I think the Canadian government very quickly and eagerly recognized Ted Cruz as renounced.

A Winner is Jew posted:

He will basically control the senate the way Harry Reid did. So he'll have power and lord over democrats but not as much as Paul Ryan does with the house and republicans (not including tortilla coasters). Also, there are a bunch of much liberal senators than him to keep him inline like Sanders who will be either #2 or #3 with the other being another big name progressive like Brown.

And actually no, people that are iffy on Clinton (because lets face it, they're iffy on democrats at large) want her as president since she knows where the bodies are buried and will have no problems putting him in a hole in the desert if he doesn't toe the very progressive agenda she and the rest of the party has signed onto.

eviltastic posted:

Would you be subject to US withholding taxes if you were employed by a local business? Seems weird that there'd be disparate treatment.

Gail Wynand posted:

No. Which is why it's very dumb and easy to work around if you have the money for a good accountant. (Where I lived the local accountants charged 2K for a US tax return.)

Mister Adequate posted:

If he tries to Lieberman us, I presume Dread Abuela will bring down whatever hammer is needed to get him back in line, up to and including the most spectacular ratfucking of the millennium. She is not about to let her own side undo her at this point.

rscott posted:

You aren't paying Medicare and Social Security tax so you aren't actually paying a higher rate than someone who makes that much in the US

quote:

What is Self-Employment Tax?
Self-employment tax is a tax consisting of Social Security and Medicare taxes primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners.

quote:

A Wisconsin city clerk has been complaining for months that she doesn’t have the money or staff to offer early voting — but a newly released email suggests she’s trying to rig the election against the Democratic Party.

Kris Teske, the city clerk in Green Bay, argued that her office lacks the resources to set up an additional polling location near the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay — but an email released as part of an open-records request found her cooking up a convoluted legal claim to prevent students from voting, reported The Nation.

“I was reading the statutes and read: No site may be designated that affords an advantage to any political party,” Teske wrote. “UWGB is a polling location for students and residents on Election Day but I feel by asking for this to be the site for early voting is encouraging the students to vote more than benefitting the city as a whole.”

That’s when Teske thought she had found a legal loophole to stop students from casting ballots.

“I have heard it said that students lean more toward the democrats and he is a democrat,” she wrote. “I have spoken with our Chief of Staff and others at City Hall and they agree that budget wise this isn’t going to happen.”

Supercar Gautier posted:

The realist in me says "this could be an outlier, don't pop the champagne yet".

The idealist in me says "Clinton's ground game is dunking on Trump's and she's going to outperform the poo poo out of her polls".

quote:

While the overall totals of in-person ballots has matched 2012's numbers, there are some significant shifts by party within these numbers: registered Republicans have matched their 2012 same day cumulative totals, while registered Democrats are down 9 percent, and registered unaffiliated voters are up 32 percent from their same day cumulative totals four years ago.

Josef bugman posted:

Speaking as a filthy foreigner it still seems weird that you guys need to do your own taxes. We get ours done for us by any job that isn't self-employed.

i am harry posted:

Friend, when you naturalize as a US citizen, part of the ritual is renouncing your former place of citizenship.

Josef bugman posted:

Speaking as a filthy foreigner it still seems weird that you guys need to do your own taxes. We get ours done for us by any job that isn't self-employed.

Groovelord Neato posted:

didn't scott adams have some kind of catastrophic brain injury that caused him to lose his ability to speak for some time.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/self-employment-tax-social-security-and-medicare-taxes


It would actually be better for me to be a wage earner as I would not have to pay any taxes at all.

Like I said, I'm not complaining about having to pay taxes. I've made my choice and I'd rather pay them than lose my US citizenship but my point is that they can be a significant burden for expats.

Josef bugman posted:

Oh I thought it might be an official position. I hope that he is subjected to that if he starts trying to prevents things from passing through that are good solely because of his campaign donators.

Just a quick query though, how bad a person was Lierberman. I see him mentioned a lot but wikipedia is absolute shite when talking about politicians. That and Lolbertarians as I am finding out by having to read up on people like Sam Harris.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Your job keeps track of your personal charitable contributions, etc?

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I just saw a Hillary ad narrated by Morgan Freeman. That's cool.

Luigi Thirty posted:

Voter fraud!

Groovelord Neato posted:

didn't scott adams have some kind of catastrophic brain injury that caused him to lose his ability to speak for some time.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I just saw a Hillary ad narrated by Morgan Freeman. That's cool.

A Winner is Jew posted:

Lierberman is literally the reason why we don't have a public option for Obama care since he was basically bought by the insurance industry that runs Connecticut.

Liberman, Schumer, and Feinstein were basically the three worst Senators back then.