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Jimbot posted:Is there such a shounen or action show where women aren't either patronized at or sexualized? I've been binge watching One Piece lately and got through Dressrosa and it reminded me why I started to get a bit turned off the series - Oda just comes off as someone who thinks women are dainty delicate flowers should be locked away from the world lest a cloud block out the sun for a moment causing them to wilt and die instantly. Men are heroic and strong while women cry or are wacky. Only women who are aggressive are his standard "big lady" types so no one feels bad that the tits and rear end got beaten up badly by the bad guy. Durarara maybe? There's at least lots of different types of characters of both genders in it. Also, Bodacious Space Pirates believe it or not.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:06
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it's bit heavier on drama than action, but akatsuki no yona is about a princess who starts out mentally broken by the betrayal of her loved one and then slowly develops into a total badass pretty much every precure show is a super action-oriented magical girl show about beating up bad guys, and i mean, like, punching and kicking the poo poo out of them symphogear has some weird fanservice in the first season but after a rough start it becomes one of the most ridiculously over-the-top action shows ever, with an almost entirely female cast. also features a scene where the main character, in the middle of combat, yells "THESE ARE GETTING IN THE WAY" and snaps her high heels off of her boots The Colonel fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 02:11
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Jimbot posted:Is there such a shounen or action show where women aren't either patronized at or sexualized? I've been binge watching One Piece lately and got through Dressrosa and it reminded me why I started to get a bit turned off the series - Oda just comes off as someone who thinks women are dainty delicate flowers should be locked away from the world lest a cloud block out the sun for a moment causing them to wilt and die instantly. Men are heroic and strong while women cry or are wacky. Only women who are aggressive are his standard "big lady" types so no one feels bad that the tits and rear end got beaten up badly by the bad guy. Izetta, The Last Witch is off to a good enough start - the latest episode (4 of an eventual 12) has some really out of place fanservice, but outside of that it's been a WWII drama with two pretty badass, intelligent, and proactive women in the lead roles. Though, like I said, we're only a third of the way in and the writer's had some real busts in the past, so buyer beware. Flip Flappers is another good candidate from the current season.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:12
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Busou Renkin has a pretty good female main character in that regard.
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A Monstrous Crow posted:Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Blue Exorcist, D.Grayman and Magi are all based on manga written by women, but I'm not familiar enough with them to say how they handle things. FMA owns on that front, it's got women who are heroes, villains, experts, teachers, warriors, it's never sexist or condescending and doesn't fall into a lot of the common pitfalls of dumb shonen humor. D. Gray Man does well enough. It's got some jokes about how the commander is overprotective of his sister and kind of plays it off like he's being harmlessly silly even when he's being a huge creep, but that's pretty minor in the greater scheme of things. I haven't watched or read the others.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:12
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if older stuff is fine, there's also dirty pair and gunsmith cats, both of which are about an action duo shooting up bad guys
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Oct 26, 2016 02:27
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Thanks for the recommendations, I'll try to look into them. I think I'm just getting to the point with this stuff that I just notice it more than I used to. Action anime is the only anime I really watch and really enjoy - I like the over-to-top silliness of battles and yelling out special attacks. I'm all for a good laugh but certain patterns start to emerge and certain genders fall into archetypes that seem to rarely be broken. Even the clothes they wear (men wear pants, women wear skirts, always). Like, outside of Air Master, I don't think I've seen a lead lady protagonist outright say they loving love to fight. Those that do are either villains or are stylistically different from the "pretty" women that it's almost commentary that this is an ugly trait to match a physically ugly person so it's very undesirable or improper for women to have. I've seen FMA:Brotherhood and Magi and the former is really good with its portrayal of women and the latter is decent. I haven't seen the two seasons on netflix in a while but I do remember there being a few boob jokes in there. I do like the world of that anime, though. It's neat.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:34
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Jimbot posted:Thanks for the recommendations, I'll try to look into them. Oh! I don't know how I forgot until now, but Symphogear might be right up your alley. It's a music-themed Magical Girl show so it does have all the skirts and clothing transformations that come up with that genre, but the lead character is a sweet, friendly, reasonably well-written 15 year old girl whose hobbies include singing, cuddling with the gf, and performing rocket-powered kung-fu on giant monsters from another dimension. It's bombastic as hell (which I love, but might not be your thing) and it stumbles in a few places, but I really like it, and that's primarily on the strength of its character writing.
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Oct 26, 2016 02:44
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symphogear is a story about a 15-year-old girl communicating her feelings and understanding the feelings of others through the language of music and punching everyone in symphogear has special attacks with unique names that are flashed on screen every time they are used 
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Oct 26, 2016 02:54
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Kuno posted:I'm not really an anime man but I've been watching the JoJos and enjoying them. I'm kind of considering subbing to Crunchyroll because it sucks to always be a week behind, and I guess abstractly it would be good to support the show/site since I don't watch the ads... but I kind of don't want to sub just for something that gives me like a half hour of entertainment a week and is also ending in a few months maybe? I don't actually know how much is left of the series. Fun/upbeat/absurd: ReLife(shockingly great given the premise) Donyatsu(hasn't updated in a while, may never finish) Fort of Apocalypse(completely ridiculous zombie outbreak series) Spirit Circle(completed, very good) Sweetness and Lightning(haven't read yet, but have heard great things) Princess Jellyfish(bunch of shut-ins team up with a crossdresser to save their home, really good) Joshi Kausei(fantastic largely wordless slice of life following an airheaded schoolgirl in her day-to-day) Hoshi no Samidare: The Lucifer and Biscuit Hammer(slow start but around chapter 17ish it gets going and never stops) Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru(amazing and genuinely hilarious slice of life, one of the best) More serious/less upbeat: A Silent Voice(bullying and redemption) Attack on Titan(goes to some wild and wooly places) Orange(deals with crippling depression and trauma, extremely good) Inside Mari(by the Flowers of Evil person) Do Not Read This poo poo Under Any Circumstance I Am 100% Serious: Fuuka(more like fuuka you) There's some others that I hear might be good but haven't read yet so I left them off. Cake Attack posted:attack on titan is OK but I wouldn't super recommend it since it basically just keeps getting worse as time goes on God, I can't wait for the second season though. I CAN'T WAIT. There's at least half a dozen loving huge things in the stuff they will likely cover, compared to...2 or 3 in the original season. And hopefully this time they'll give the studio more than a week's time to make each episode ahahaha nevermind, it's Japan Jimbot posted:Is there such a shounen or action show where women aren't either patronized at or sexualized? I've been binge watching One Piece lately and got through Dressrosa and it reminded me why I started to get a bit turned off the series - Oda just comes off as someone who thinks women are dainty delicate flowers should be locked away from the world lest a cloud block out the sun for a moment causing them to wilt and die instantly. Men are heroic and strong while women cry or are wacky. Only women who are aggressive are his standard "big lady" types so no one feels bad that the tits and rear end got beaten up badly by the bad guy. The Colonel posted:if older stuff is fine, there's also dirty pair and gunsmith cats, both of which are about an action duo shooting up bad guys Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 11:04
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There's nothing objectionable in the three-part OAV Gunsmith Cats anime. The manga, eh
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Oct 26, 2016 11:28
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If you only watch the Gunsmith Cats OVA and also Riding Bean, then it's a p fun time
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Oct 26, 2016 11:59
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Oh well yes, sure. The manga is quite a bit dicier and minnie may is the worst character
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Oct 26, 2016 14:14
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Jimbot posted:Is there such a shounen or action show where women aren't either patronized at or sexualized? I've been binge watching One Piece lately and got through Dressrosa and it reminded me why I started to get a bit turned off the series - Oda just comes off as someone who thinks women are dainty delicate flowers should be locked away from the world lest a cloud block out the sun for a moment causing them to wilt and die instantly. Men are heroic and strong while women cry or are wacky. Only women who are aggressive are his standard "big lady" types so no one feels bad that the tits and rear end got beaten up badly by the bad guy. My Hero Academia has some fanservice (being a shonen superhero story), but the female characters are treated with respect and get to do cool things. In particular, the sweet, kind female lead discovered that what she really wanted was to learn superpowered Krav Maga and do  poo poo all day every day, and both the story and the rest of the cast entirely support her in this.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:25
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:HxH isn't Jojo's and is more overtly "anime" in some respects but it's a good followup if you enjoy the combination of good character writing and fights based on elaborate logic. There are four protagonists who range from 13-year-old kids to adults, the main two are the kids but it sets aside time for each of them. It's set in a sort of vaguely-defined fantastic setting that's kinda modern in some respects and less so in others. Also Yona of the Dawn to the general list I had, that's a great fantasy action adventure story if you want something more on the romance/shoujo side.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:34
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Srice posted:If you only watch the Gunsmith Cats OVA and also Riding Bean, then it's a p fun time Riding bean is neat but it def has a prototype of the weird uncomfortable bullshit that litters the manga.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:34
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No idea if you can watch it on Crunchyroll but Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit / Seirei no Moribito gets rolled out a lot in this thread for having a great female lead who is both hypercompetent and has a realistic personality for a woman her age. It's v good although if you're explicitly looking for action it's probably a bit slow paced.
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Oct 26, 2016 19:56
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Jimbot posted:Is there such a shounen or action show where women aren't either patronized at or sexualized? I've been binge watching One Piece lately and got through Dressrosa and it reminded me why I started to get a bit turned off the series - Oda just comes off as someone who thinks women are dainty delicate flowers should be locked away from the world lest a cloud block out the sun for a moment causing them to wilt and die instantly. Men are heroic and strong while women cry or are wacky. Only women who are aggressive are his standard "big lady" types so no one feels bad that the tits and rear end got beaten up badly by the bad guy. Akatsuki no Yona (Yona of the Dawn) is pretty great. The female MC does start off weak, but as a sheltered princess that's the point. Her growth from there is pretty awesome, however.
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Oct 27, 2016 03:02
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by, like, episode 6 of the anime, yona immediately starts being an absolute badass who doesn't let other people order her how to live her life or hurt people close to her, even when she hasn't learned any sort of self-defense or offensive techniques yet
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Oct 27, 2016 04:24
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I've seen several really good romance/love-triangle anime series like SNAFU and Toradora (and currently working on White Album 2), and am curious if anyone can recommend some comparable series with a female lead, rather than the typical anime scenario of one guy with multiple girls wanting his bone? I tried watching Ouran (and didn't like it), and am enjoying Kiss Him Not Me from this season, but neither of those are really even the same sort of show. Now that I'm thinking about it, I remember that I saw Bokura ga Ita, too, which was alright but not great - there was a lot of forced soap-opera drama and I didn't like the leads very much. Is there anything more on par with SNAFU or Toradora's character writing?
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Oct 27, 2016 13:43
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Kimi no Todoke and Lovely Complex would be the first things that come to mind, though they're more romantic comedies than the shows you mentioned.
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Oct 27, 2016 13:48
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chihayafuru isn't that romantic, but it has the triangle going on. great series anyway my lovely monster isn't quite as good in writing, but it definitely has the triangle. awful first episode tho
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Oct 27, 2016 14:17
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Thanks, I'll look into those! I'm not finding My Lovely Monster or Kimi no Todoke on MAL, are there other names they're known by?
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Oct 27, 2016 14:37
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ah, its my little monster sorry
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Oct 27, 2016 14:39
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Thanks! (Also found Kimi ni Todoke, so nvm there!)
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Oct 27, 2016 14:43
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If you're up for reading manga I'd recommend Bonnouji.
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Oct 27, 2016 14:45
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Bonnouji doesn't really have a love triangle, though? Not that it isn't wonderful of course. Also if you're willing to open the manga Pandora's Box then the sky's the limit for shoujo/josei romances really since a lot will feature a female lead.
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Oct 27, 2016 14:54
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Nate RFB posted:Bonnouji doesn't really have a love triangle, though? Not that it isn't wonderful of course. Also if you're willing to open the manga Pandora's Box then the sky's the limit for shoujo/josei romances really since a lot will feature a female lead. He said romance/love triangle, so having a love triangle isn't necessary.
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Oct 27, 2016 14:56
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Thanks for the recommendations guys. Unfortunately FMA isn't available in the UK but I've started Durara which is pretty good. Also thanks for the manga recommendations Invictus. The thread you did in BSS got me to start reading a few manga which led to me watching JoJo. Yona of the dead sounds pretty interesting too. I'll probably try that next. Thank god for temporary unemployment I guess. At least now I have some stuff to watch while my new employers drag their heels on setting a start date. Kuno fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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Oct 27, 2016 18:52
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Kuno posted:Thanks for the recommendations guys. Unfortunately FMA isn't available in the UK but I've started Durara which is pretty good. Should you happen to have it, FMAB's on Netflix in the UK, I think.
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Oct 27, 2016 21:35
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Kuno posted:Yona of the dead sounds pretty interesting too. I'll probably try that next. 
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Oct 27, 2016 21:41
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Nate RFB posted:I think in particular you should give FMA, Durarara!!, Re:Zero, and Bodacious Space Pirates a look Spoilers http://imgur.com/a/vCK05 You motherfucker. I'm sure it will roll back round but jfc what a goddamn dark episode. Enjoying it though. I finished the first season of Durarara which was good, but I was kind of screaming at the characters in the second half. Just talk to each other. You'd solve literally all your problems if you just talked to each other. I'm imagining the second season will focus on an external threat again which I'm looking forward to but I didn't want to burn out too hard on a single series so I took a break and tried some other shows. I also watched Yona of the Dawn which I really loved but it ended just as it was really getting going. There is gonna be a second series right? Right!? Yona is gonna get to smooch Hak right? (The show would definitely have been improved if Yona was a necromancer though.) I'll not jam the thread up with anymore of my dumb opinions but I just wanted to say thanks for being real rad and giving me lots of cool stuff to watch duders. 
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Nov 3, 2016 23:30
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read the yona manga
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Kuno posted:
We love opinions, they're fun! And yeah, that Re:zero episode was a hell of a thing.
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a kitten posted:We love opinions, they're fun! I took that screen-cap because its a pretty loving powerful scene but the evil bad guy stuff isn't actually what stuck with me in the episode. Like the main character is gonna beat the bad guys. Whatever. Sucks to be him and have to live through that trauma over and over but I'm pretty confident that eventually he'll fix things. He is gonna have the worst PTSD in history by the end of it though. What's actually loving me up is that Rem's love ain't ever gonna be reciprocated is it  I did some googling about Yona, it seems like there was a rumoured second season in 2016 but it never materialized? And they are doing a movie or something that takes place way further into the manga, which seems like an insane thing to do. Does that mean the anime is definitely dead?  Is the manga significantly different to the anime? Would I have to start reading it from the beginning or could I jump in at the point where the anime ended; wherever that is?
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Kuno posted:I took that screen-cap because its a pretty loving powerful scene but the evil bad guy stuff isn't actually what stuck with me in the episode. Like the main character is gonna beat the bad guys. Whatever. Sucks to be him and have to live through that trauma over and over but I'm pretty confident that eventually he'll fix things. He is gonna have the worst PTSD in history by the end of it though. What's actually loving me up is that Rem's love ain't ever gonna be reciprocated is it Naw, the anime was an almost direct adaption, if I recall, but it wouldn't hurt to skim through it up to where the show left off. The manga is just as fantastic as the show, rest assured.
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Nov 4, 2016 05:58
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I actually just started Re:Zero, myself and am up to episode 5. Please tell me the twin maids actually become good characters.
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Nov 5, 2016 15:21
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AlternateNu posted:I actually just started Re:Zero, myself and am up to episode 5. uh, when they start being characters, which is very very soon
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AlternateNu posted:I actually just started Re:Zero, myself and am up to episode 5. They develop in very different directions, and Rem has an absolutely fantastic arc.
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