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canepazzo posted:Brexit polls did NOT say it wouldn't pass, far from it: Yeah, people really doubled down on the idea that Remain had ~momentum~ since the polls stopped shifting so hard in Leave's favor towards the end. The close spread and huge number of undecided voters in a lot of the end game polls should have been a huge red flag, but nobody wanted to believe that a whole country was about to shoot itself in the head.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:And those are the "major" minor cities of Ohio, not even considering the smaller municipalities like Sharonville, Union, the inexplicable number of Portsmouths, etc which are on an entirely different plane of "lovely places to live." I think I'd rather live in a backwards village in Siberia than live in SE Ohio (minus Athens, very important distinction to make here!), and Dante would need Virgil's help to make it through these Midwestern Circles of Hell. Oh man, there's so many different ways I could take this. Portsmouth B is up there, but here's the ones I would note. - Batavia and Union are like the absolute worst in terms of small towns in the SW part of the state. When we go to pick apples to berries, I am always floored at the sheer number of confederate flags despite this being a firmly union state, and I've watched people roll coal in front of a police car with impunity. Legitimately I can't describe a single industry in the area, although there are like 5 Edward Jones advisors within 3 blocks of each other in the town square which is always funny to me. - Piketon has that same lack of charm on top of being firmly in the no-man's land between Columbus and Cincinnati as well as suddenly having a cartel presence for both Heroin and Marijuana trafficking. quote:1. So where's Kent State? The song that most often pops up in my head is 4 dead in Ohio by Neil Young when thinking about Ohio, followed by that lovely lovely Cincinnati song from Babes in Toyland that I always have repressed. 1. It's out on the northeast edges of the state. Triangulate from Cleveland, Akron, and Erie PA and you'll get drat close. It's also got the sickest HS burn about it with the "Kent read, Kent write, Kent state" joke. 2. Indiana suffered from a lot of Southern migration up to them, kind of like Cincinnati on a grand scale. The other issue is that it just doesn't have a city equipped for heavy economic growth in terms of industries. Say what you will about Ohio, there are 3 major cities and some underlying small ones, and that creates a lot of variety in terms of who comes here and all the industries we're able to keep in state from the university system here being good. Indiana has Indianapolis which is really good at insurance and not much else (maybe like some Ag businesses). 3. Yes 4. Here, let me try. There's Pittsburgh which like to pretend it's better than it is and is really just another Cleveland that got its financial services, tech, and medical boon slightly quicker and got better growth out of it. Philadelphia desperately wants to describe itself as "coastal" or Atlantic in culture but is basically Jersey without the self-confidence. Everything between those two cities is like if you transplanted Arkansas into the North.Think Ohio with one large and one medium city instead of three small ones
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Nucleic Acids posted:And of course this is what my local news chose to focus on this morning so far.
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Harrow posted:Yeah, that's exactly it: Brexit was within the margin of error, and Leave was ahead of Remain in some polls. Trumpsters like to pretend the polls were hilariously wrong because the latest polls before the vote showed Remain winning, but they were within the margin of error. The previous British parliamentary election is a much better example. Aside from one or two outliers just before polling was cut off pretty much every poll was predicting a very close race. What we actually got was a conservative landslide that only the widely-ignored outliers predicted. The response from pollsters was basically a lot of humming and hawing and a promise to do better next time.
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 We just don't know what their background was and what about their environment led them to this action. Who are we to judge  
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I really worry about y'all's inability to have a base level empathy for people because you disagree with their political views.
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https://twitter.com/LGamGam/status/791279504522174464 I'm sure Jill Stein will have something to say about thi-- hahahahahah
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Megyn Kelly occasionally has good opinions when she benefits from them. Pretty typical for conservatives. They are usually very liberal on the one or two left-wing issues that actually affect them. So a gay conservative is pro gay marriage, a woman conservative is pro maternity leave, a disabled conservative is passionate about compulsory disability adaptions for buildings. Of course, none of them could give a poo poo about the other two issues. It apparently takes superpowers of empathy to be, say, a nondisabled person with no disabled relatives who says "Hey, lets leave some space for wheelchair ramps here."
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Jill Stein is, thankfully, totally irrelevant.
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Reminder http://www.theonion.com/article/south-postpones-rising-again-for-yet-another-year-377
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Still looking for a list of PPP comedy options she's lost to this year. I can only thing of Harambe and Giant Meteor.
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WampaLord posted:No, gently caress Megan Kelly, she doesn't get brownie points now because the enemy of my enemy. Yeah, gotta agree here. Kelly has been up front in the "they were no angels" camp of police shootings, played identity outrage like a champ with her White Santa remarks and such, not to mention the whole Black Panther revival crap. The fact that she has some connection with reality, unlike, say, Hannity or Alex Jones, arguably makes it worse. She doesn't believe in this crap, but spouts it to climb the corporate/media ladder. And hitting back in the instances where it personally harms her (post-pregnancy support, horrid treatment of women), however adeptly, just highlights her lack of ethics.
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Alan Smithee posted:Reminder "Yes, sir. The South will rise again, and when it does, I'll be right up front waving the Stars and Bars," said Dock Mullins of Decatur, GA. "But first, I gotta get my truck fixed and get that rusty old stove out of my yard." Either Decatur has changed a lot since The Onion wrote this article in 2000, or someone is WRONG ON THE INTERNET
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I really worry about y'all's inability to have a base level empathy for people because you disagree with their political views. I worry about your defense of noted terrible person Megan Kelly, who works for noted terrible organization Fox News. Like, if I had to save her from a burning building, I would, is that enough empathy? I would give her water if I found her dying of thirst, I do not actively wish harm on her, but I certainly don't empathize with her.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Still looking for a list of PPP comedy options she's lost to this year. I can only thing of Harambe and Giant Meteor. Ken Bone
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WampaLord posted:I worry about your defense of noted terrible person Megan Kelly, who works for noted terrible organization Fox News. "I am perfectly willing to cheerlead a bunch of disgustingly vile misogynistic attacks because I don't like her political views" is uh, pretty bad duder.
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BarbarianElephant posted:a woman conservative is pro maternity leave Megyn Kelly specifically was anti-maternity leave until she had a child, then she was pro.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:"I am perfectly willing to cheerlead a bunch of disgustingly vile misogynistic attacks because I don't like her political views" is uh, pretty bad duder. Excuse me, when did I do this?
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Goatman Sacks posted:Still looking for a list of PPP comedy options she's lost to this year. I can only thing of Harambe and Giant Meteor. DEEZ NUTZ
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WampaLord posted:Excuse me, when did I do this? Goatman Sacks, and you kind of.
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Secret Governments!!! Actually it's a really good article on how national security policy is made and implemented by people that are unelected https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html
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WampaLord posted:Excuse me, when did I do this? When BNGL decided he wanted to get all smugly sanctimonious over the thread
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haveblue posted:Megyn Kelly specifically was anti-maternity leave until she had a child, then she was pro. A lot of people don't understand things until they've experienced them. That's not uncommon. Bushiz posted:When BNGL decided he wanted to get all smugly sanctimonious over the thread Oh, careful with those stones in the glass house honey.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:A lot of people don't understand things until they've experienced them. That's not uncommon. No. Conservatives who work actively to gently caress other people over only to find empathy once that specific thing affects their life do not get credit for that. It just shows how morally bankrupt their ideology is.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I really worry about y'all's inability to have a base level empathy for people because you disagree with their political views. the horseshoe theory of politics is right and this thread (and LF's entire existence) are proof that leftists can get just as circle-jerky and unwilling to engage with outside ideas as the people we mock on Freep and Breitbart. I mean poo poo, people in this thread were getting mad at Nate Silver for WrongThink because he was saying there's not a 0% chance that Trump will win the election. It's insane.
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mcmagic posted:No. Conservatives who work actively to gently caress other people over only to find empathy once that specific thing affects their life do not get credit for that. It just shows how morally bankrupt their ideology is. I see you've never been wrong about anything ever? Like the point isn't that you get "credit" or "don't get credit." It's that people can evolve on issues and you should at least acknowledge that, and accept it. You don't or shouldn't hold someone as an other because they once held a position you disagreed with.
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axeil posted:the horseshoe theory of politics is right and this thread (and LF's entire existence) are proof that leftists can get just as circle-jerky and unwilling to engage with outside ideas as the people we mock on Freep and Breitbart. That's not why people were mad at Nate Silver, stop creating that strawman. And please, tell me what amazing outside ideas Megan Kelly has that I should be engaging with. Go on, I'll wait.  Also, horseshoe theory is bullshit to make centrists feel superior about themselves, no wonder you love it.
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NRVNQSR posted:The previous British parliamentary election is a much better example. Aside from one or two outliers just before polling was cut off pretty much every poll was predicting a very close race. What we actually got was a conservative landslide that only the widely-ignored outliers predicted. The response from pollsters was basically a lot of humming and hawing and a promise to do better next time. Yeah the previous general election was a really bad polling fuckup that kind of led to Brexit happening, because the Tory Prime Minister promised a referendum on EU membership if his party won, but he never expected to actually win because all the polls were pointing toward another coalition government.
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megyn kelly is an idiot but she does not deserve to get rape threats from the alt. right, especially in retaliation for being right for two seconds.
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axeil posted:the horseshoe theory of politics is right and this thread (and LF's entire existence) are proof that leftists can get just as circle-jerky and unwilling to engage with outside ideas as the people we mock on Freep and Breitbart. Horseshoe Theory is discredit bullshit that is only believed by people who get their political opinions from South Park.
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Endorph posted:megyn kelly is an idiot but she does not deserve to get rape threats from the alt. right, especially in retaliation for being right for two seconds. more or less my contention
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Goatman Sacks, and you kind of. Concern trolling over Megyn Kelly is a losing proposition. She's a stopped clock with some sort of frequency, but the driver is always some sort of FYGM event like having a kid. She's an opportunistic rear end in a top hat who shows human decency once every 3 months and is de facto more relatable than her coworkers because she's only 90% terrible versus 105%. The horror.
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Sephyr posted:Yeah, gotta agree here. Kelly has been up front in the "they were no angels" camp of police shootings, played identity outrage like a champ with her White Santa remarks and such, not to mention the whole Black Panther revival crap. "The only women's rights that matter are the rights of women who agree with me" - a progressive champion of equality and fairness
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Phone posted:Concern trolling over Megyn Kelly is a losing proposition. She's a stopped clock with some sort of frequency, but the driver is always some sort of FYGM event like having a kid. She's an opportunistic rear end in a top hat who shows human decency once every 3 months and is de facto more relatable than her coworkers because she's only 90% terrible versus 105%. https://twitter.com/SportsPlusShow/status/791146064699125761 https://twitter.com/MommyKitcat/status/791154351846858752 tweets like these are bad, and shouldn't happen to anyone, regardless of their political opinions
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Phone posted:Concern trolling over Megyn Kelly is a losing proposition. She's a stopped clock with some sort of frequency, but the driver is always some sort of FYGM event like having a kid. She's an opportunistic rear end in a top hat who shows human decency once every 3 months and is de facto more relatable than her coworkers because she's only 90% terrible versus 105%. No one deserves death and rape threats, bub.
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HannibalBarca posted:"Yes, sir. The South will rise again, and when it does, I'll be right up front waving the Stars and Bars," said Dock Mullins of Decatur, GA. "But first, I gotta get my truck fixed and get that rusty old stove out of my yard." As someone who's only experience with Georgia are Atlanteans with no accents (and Vince Gilligan, writer of Breaking Bad) please explain
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Endorph posted:megyn kelly is an idiot but she does not deserve to get rape threats from the alt. right, especially in retaliation for being right for two seconds. Agreed, but when you work with wolves you're going to get bit.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:No one deserves death and rape threats, bub. What if they're non-persons? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kelly (like every human being) doesn't deserve to get rape threats or whatever gendered harassment she is getting from the alt-right. She is also directly responsible for propagating right wing views specifically designed to gently caress over people that aren't her. She deserves no kudos for being "right" on stuff that directly affects her. Maybe if having a kid and realizing her previous views on maternity leave were bad led her to question the other lovely beliefs she had I'd give her some credit for changing (we have all had bad opinions in our lives based on either ignorance or prejudice) but she stopped right there because she's just out for herself so gently caress that. She's a highly educated person working in media, she understands what she is doing so let's not pretend she's uninformed and just doesn't know better.
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Goatman Sacks posted:What if they're non-persons?
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