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Telsa Cola posted:My money is on they lied their asses off about any biases they may have and went in with a not guilty verdict already set. And then made a stink and got the one juror who wouldn't go along removed from the panel.
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Thaddius the Large posted:IANAL, I haven't even really followed the trial, but it sounds like they managed to miss one of the jurors having been a former BLM employee until earlier this week, so who the hell knows. No, he mentioned that he'd worked for BLM 20 years ago during selection and nobody really gave a poo poo until it turned out he was the only roadblock to acquitting domestic terrorists, whereupon another juror alleged that he was too biased to be a juror and the judge loving agreed
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happyhippy posted:Tarp ghost be doin' tarp cartwheels in heaven right now. I say this with all nastiness and pettiness; gently caress tarp man and I'm glad he's dead.
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If only we'd been nicer to these guys and allowed them to homestead the bird sanctuary because they really wanted to and were armed. If you think about it, this is all the fault of the liberals in Ameri*intestines leap out of stomach, strangle brain for the good of the nation*
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Jazerus posted:No, he mentioned that he'd worked for BLM 20 years ago during selection and nobody really gave a poo poo until it turned out he was the only roadblock to acquitting domestic terrorists, whereupon another juror alleged that he was too biased to be a juror and the judge loving agreed Ah, my bad then, thanks for that.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Florida once again tops the advertising spending, claiming 3 of the top 10 Why is so much being spent on Boston?
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Jazerus posted:No, he mentioned that he'd worked for BLM 20 years ago during selection and nobody really gave a poo poo until it turned out he was the only roadblock to acquitting domestic terrorists, whereupon another juror alleged that he was too biased to be a juror and the judge loving agreed bet they didn't check to see if the other jurors were members of the nra
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Jazerus posted:No, he mentioned that he'd worked for BLM 20 years ago during selection and nobody really gave a poo poo until it turned out he was the only roadblock to acquitting domestic terrorists, whereupon another juror alleged that he was too biased to be a juror and the judge loving agreed well poo poo, we can't have actual domestic terrorists face consequences for their actions.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Why is so much being spent on Boston? A lot of people who live in New Hampshire commute there for work
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How. How the hell did the Feds gently caress this up SO BADLY. Jesus loving Christ.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Why is so much being spent on Boston? Probably the media market that serves New Hampshire.
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But the case isn't over, it's only restarted because of a dumb oversight, right? So nobody's walking just yet, unless LaVoy Finicum is giving testimony via the Bernie Lomax method?
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Goddamn it, God, why couldn't you have gotten this one thing right?! https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/791789138286669825 https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/791789342897410048
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CommieGIR posted:How. How the hell did the Feds gently caress this up SO BADLY.
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CommieGIR posted:How. How the hell did the Feds gently caress this up SO BADLY. What can the feds do about jury nullification?
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SoggyBobcat posted:I'm not fully informed on the American court system, is there any way for the prosecution to appeal? No, this is not Italy. Convictions can be appealed by the defense, but with very, very few exceptions (like you can prove the jury was bribed or something), an acquittal can not be appealed and does not even have to be justified or explained.
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Holy poo poo I just found out about the Bundy thing. What in the gently caress. There's no way the feds actually mismanaged it this bad, right? How the hell could a jury that biased for militiamen make it past a review? If this same thing happens for Nevada standoff and Oregon doesn't prosecute on their own I'm going to be livid
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Inspector Gesicht posted:But the case isn't over, it's only restarted because of a dumb oversight, right? So nobody's walking just yet, unless LaVoy Finicum is giving testimony via the Bernie Lomax method? Oregon case is over I guess, Nevada charges are still a go. But if the Slamdunk stuff in Oregon was a failure I don't really have any hope for the Nevada charges
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Charlz Guybon posted:Why is so much being spent on Boston? Manchester/Nashua is within the Boston media market, generally speaking. Boston's NBC affiliate will actually be broadcast out of Manchester next year.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:But the case isn't over, it's only restarted because of a dumb oversight, right? No. It's over. There's another case against them, but this one is over.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Holy poo poo I just found out about the Bundy thing. What in the gently caress. There's no way the feds actually mismanaged it this bad, right? How the hell could a jury that biased for militiamen make it past a review? Lying about their biases and or the entire pool being so bad that there was no way to get people who weren't biased.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:58
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Inspector Gesicht posted:But the case isn't over, it's only restarted because of a dumb oversight, right? So nobody's walking just yet, unless LaVoy Finicum is giving testimony via the Bernie Lomax method? No, they declined to do a mistrial, they just stuck an alternate juror in at the last second! There are a lot of hosed up trials in this country where white folks are acquitted despite overwhelming evidence of their guilt but this is the first one in a long time that is like literally, completely objectively a travesty of justice just based on how the trial procedure was conducted
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Oct 28, 2016 00:59
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Nessus posted:It sounds like they didn't, and the jurors came in with the verdict already decided. I don't think there's anything much to be done in that situation. Welp, say hello to the new and even more emboldened militia movement. Hillary's presidency is gonna be full of them.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:58
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Endorph posted:No. It's over. There's another case against them, but this one is over. Hope they get nailed to the loving wall in that one.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Holy poo poo I just found out about the Bundy thing. What in the gently caress. There's no way the feds actually mismanaged it this bad, right? How the hell could a jury that biased for militiamen make it past a review? I guess they were found not guilty by a jury of their peers.
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I can't handle the fact that this and the cops tear-gassing the DAPL protestors are happening simultaneously. Jesus Christ, America
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rscott posted:What can the feds do about jury nullification? Nothing. Also keep in mind that there were basically only two charges against the defendants: 1) Conspiracy to impede federal employees 2) use of a firearm in connection with #1 So they can't get #2 without #1, and conspiracy is actually kind of hard to prove when framed as an "agreement that everyone goes along with the plan" where the whole takeover was disorganized as gently caress.
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Oct 28, 2016 01:00
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CommieGIR posted:How. How the hell did the Feds gently caress this up SO BADLY. This was probably lost in jury selection. This is a clear and obvious case of jury nullification. I'm theoretically fine with jury nullification, but it should be extremely rare, for laws that are unjust or for prosecutions that are obviously unfair for special reasons like when the guy beat up the priest who molested him decades ago. This is not a case where nullification makes sense.
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Northjayhawk posted:an acquittal can not be appealed and does not even have to be justified or explained. Which is dumb and you should not be able to affect legal consquencences based on no backing.
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Northjayhawk posted:This was probably lost in jury selection. This is a clear and obvious case of jury nullification.
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CommieGIR posted:Welp, say hello to the new and even more emboldened militia movement. Maybe Hillary will put those drones to good use for once eh?
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Kro-Bar posted:Goddamn it, God, why couldn't you have gotten this one thing right?! drat, now we miss out on watching Trump trying to pretend he isn't delighted that his running mate died
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Telsa Cola posted:Oregon case is over I guess, Nevada charges are still a go. But if the Slamdunk stuff in Oregon was a failure I don't really have any hope for the Nevada charges This was the federal case. Oregon can still go ahead for any Oregon laws they may have broken and for weird constitutional state sovereignty reasons that are complicated to get into, that would not be double jeopardy.
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Telsa Cola posted:Which is dumb and you should not be able to affect legal consquencences based on no backing. No, an acquittal should be an acquittal. Acquitted defendants need to be able to go on with their lives, not deal with years-long campaigns by shitbird prosecutors trying to appeal their way to a win. Yes, this case sucks. But this case isn't everything.
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Just heard about the Bundy case. I don;t think ive been this angry in a ling time whats worse is that these fuckers are going to try something like this again.
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Jesus, Joseph, and Mary, I swear every time I see Ted Cruz's goblin-like smug face, I am reminded I should be spending less time trying to fight people on here and more time volunteering my extra time canvassing or something right now to fight the good fight. 
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