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Shbobdb posted:It totally wasn't but modern jurisprudence and the current interpretation of "natural born citizen" would preclude dual citizens. There is no real current interpretation of "natural born citizen". There is a general agreement that if you're born to an American or on American soil you count, but nothing has been litigated ever and people argue differently. The only policies and rulings that would have any weight are ones about security clearance for dual citizens, which are moot because the President gets clearance no matter how big a security risk they are.
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One thing I really like in that Politico article about Clinton considering Biden for SecState:quote:But she’d also be choosing someone with whom she repeatedly clashed as secretary of state, with the vice president often playing the skeptic while she supported more aggressive action. They differed over leaving troops in Iraq, the surge in Afghanistan, and whether to arm Syria’s rebels and bomb Libya — and Clinton took the more hawkish line in every case. During the Obama administration’s lengthy review of Afghanistan policy early in his tenure, for instance, a skeptical Biden urged the president not to escalate the war, while Clinton backed Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s request for 40,000 more troops. Could go some way towards appeasing those who see her as too hawkish if she's intentionally picking dovish Biden, who would be willing to stand up to her, for State.
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vyelkin posted:One thing I really like in that Politico article about Clinton considering Biden for SecState: A Team of Rivals also makes more sense when the rival is, you know, someone with decades of experience and who is still on your side, just disagrees with you.
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It's hard to find good information on dual citizens in Congress since it's usually just lists of Jewish representatives and senators that Nazis or other anti-semites compile. They assert that the Jewish members of congress hold dual American-Israeli citizenship. Diane Rehm questioned Bernie Sanders about his dual citizenship (he is not a dual citizen) thanks to one of those lists in one of the media season's ugliest moments.
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Coheed and Camembert posted:Biden is incredibly smart when it comes to foreign policy, there's nobody I would rather have. Plus The Onion will have 4 more years of content. Far better him than someone from the Stupid poo poo Caucus.
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Kro-Bar posted:I like seeing the Baldwins gang up on Stephen. He must sit at the kid's table at Thanksgiving. When Billy dunks on you, you've officially lost at the game of Baldwining.
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Nevvy Z posted:There was some related discussion earlier in the thread, the key issue is that citizenship in other countries fall under their sovereign discretion. I can yell "I renounce my Indonesian* citizenship" in washington dc all I want but if the Indonesian government wants to consider me a citizen I can't stop them. Right. It would be silly to hold presidential candidates accountable to this because it would allow foreign nations to influence our government. For instance, if Russia declared Hillary Clinton to be a citizen of Russia, would she immediately be disqualified from the presidency? Obviously not.
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I choose to believe Biden is on the table for SecState because our beloved abuela, fan of Lincoln (and by extension Team of Rivals) that she is, is putting together a cabinet of other individuals who would have been reasonable contenders for Democratic nominee. Now I'm not saying get ready for SecTreas Bernie, buuuuuut...
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:The idea of 4 years of Diamond Joe's hi-jinks around the world makes this an okay day. Delayed, but 
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Tammy Duckworth is a much better person than I am, Kirk deserves to have his face kicked in https://twitter.com/TheMattWilstein/status/791835769082028032
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Gyges posted:There is no real current interpretation of "natural born citizen". There is a general agreement that if you're born to an American or on American soil you count, but nothing has been litigated ever and people argue differently. Ugh getting a top secret clearance was such a pain in the rear end as a dual citizen.
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SomeMathGuy posted:I choose to believe Biden is on the table for SecState because our beloved abuela, fan of Lincoln (and by extension Team of Rivals) that she is, is putting together a cabinet of other individuals who would have been reasonable contenders for Democratic nominee. I hope It's Bernie and his official title is Secretary of the Treasury Bernie.
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Gyges posted:Ted Cruz had dual citizenship up until people noticed earlier this year. *last year lol this election has been going on for way longer than you remember 
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Carlosologist posted:Tammy Duckworth is a much better person than I am, Kirk deserves to have his face kicked in Phrasing?
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Michele Bachman had Swiss citizenship until 2012 and then gave it up. You have to be catastrophically stupid to renounce Swiss loving citizenship lol.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Right, Tammy is an american citizen born abroad, but does she have citizenship from another country? Can a congresswoman have dual citizenship? iirc the USA does not recognize dual citizenship. Either you're an American citizen or you are not, end of. That said, getting classified clearance for a non elected position, they do take it into account.
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Tricky D posted:None of this is true. Not even a little bit. Put up or shut up. Look at all the people with dual citizenship bitching about their clearance problems. As a dual citizen myself I can't say I've experienced that but US/OZ have generally good relations and I've never been in a sensitive position. I agree that if someone were to run that it would change everything. Like, if Cruz had gotten the nomination in '08 or this cycle before he had to not be a double citizen. It's ambiguous and doesn't matter but there is an (unenforceable) general consensus.
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GalacticAcid posted:Michele Bachman She hid behind a bush to spy on The Gays. Checks out.
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 Just imagining what this kind of person would do if Tammy Duckworth was the Democratic nominee makes me feel sick  .
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Shbobdb posted:Put up or shut up. I did already http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/
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Carlosologist posted:Tammy Duckworth is a much better person than I am, Kirk deserves to have his face kicked in Conservatives are just monstrous people.
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cult member at airport posted:
We already know, Mark Kirk just did it.
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hobbesmaster posted:Phrasing? she didn't really respond. She didn't have to, she probably knew that he had just made an incredibly stupid, epic gently caress-up, and so she just gracefully let the media take the ball and run with it.
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Holy gently caress the jury ruled the Malheur guys not guilty? gently caress, there *is* going to be more violence then
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Tricky D posted:I did already I appreciate a bunch of right wing lawyers arguing that Cruz should be President is cool and all but that's hardly mainstream outside of the crazy "NeverTrump" fringe of the Republican Party. A bunch of patricians ain't the law man.
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https://twitter.com/MarkKirk/status/791803922272882689 can I revoke my vote now
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duz posted:iirc the USA does not recognize dual citizenship. Either you're an American citizen or you are not, end of. Nah, I'm a dual citizen, and I served in the military and had a top secret clearance.
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Hollismason posted:It's pretty obvious that the founders of this country were terrified of vat grown humans becoming rulers of this nation. Fuckin nipple-necks, might as well just hand the whole planet over
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Northjayhawk posted:she didn't really respond. She didn't have to, she probably knew that he had just made an incredibly stupid, epic gently caress-up, and so she just gracefully let the media take the ball and run with it. At that point I think you just feed him more rope.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/MarkKirk/status/791803922272882689 lol wait did you vote for Mark Kirk
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As I recall Kirk is one of the GOP Senators who isn't complete poo poo on LGBT rights and who, therefore, receives the HRC (the nonprofit, not the person, who I assume has an elaborate eleven-step plan to discredit and murder Kirk in his sleep) endorsement out of their desperate attempt to seem nonpartisan. It's a dumb strategy and one nobody is buying.
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https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/791834566965207040 The average voter, ladies and gentlemen.
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GalacticAcid posted:lol wait did you vote for Mark Kirk No, worse. Hilldawg.
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Northjayhawk posted:she didn't really respond. She didn't have to, she probably knew that he had just made an incredibly stupid, epic gently caress-up, and so she just gracefully let the media take the ball and run with it.
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Northjayhawk posted:she didn't really respond. She didn't have to, she probably knew that he had just made an incredibly stupid, epic gently caress-up, and so she just gracefully let the media take the ball and run with it. I think it was more along the lines of- Tammy has no legs Luigi Thirty posted:No, worse. I think it was more along the lines of- HRC is human rights campaign, not Hillary RODHAM KKKlinton
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Luigi Thirty posted:No, worse. Human Rights Campaign. It threw me at first too.
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Luigi Thirty posted:No, worse. Ohh you might be confused. @HRC = Human Rights Campaign, not Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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Luigi Thirty posted:No, worse. It's the Human Rights Campaign, not Hillary Clinton. They do this to seem Fair And Balanced, it's dumb
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Luigi Thirty posted:No, worse.
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