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HannibalBarca posted:Doing some research on downballot races. The Dem. house candidate in my (suburban Atlanta, safe Republican) district runs what seems to be an unacreddited ramshackle college (named after himself, natch), which makes me immediately suspicious. Should I vote for him anyway, or abstain, knowing that my vote won't change a thing? Vote anyway because it's a vote for Speaker of the House Pelosi instead of Ryan
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gfsincere posted:It's a statue of a white woman welcoming other white people to a land that wasn't theirs in the first place. Seriously? That's where you're going with this? We all know that this nation was founded on racism, inequality, and atrocities. No one disputes that here. However, this is a sentiment that we could rise above that and make something good and welcoming despite it at and all you see is a chance to air your grievances in hr most petty way? I am a slave descendant and also have Native American blood. I know that pretty much all of this country's history has been dedicated to attacking my ancestors. I still believe in the ideals of a place that all could be welcomed and equal. It's a beautiful sentiment that I hope we could someday live up to. It's something to aspire to rather than sit around and let bitterness consume us. I'm not suggesting just forgiving all the country's crimes. Just that we could believe that the chance to eventually grow into a country worthy of those words is something to at least hope for. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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gfsincere posted:It's a statue of a white woman welcoming other white people to a land that wasn't theirs in the first place. Would... would you prefer there not be a statue welcoming immigrants? Do you just want everyone to leave, pack up and go to countries that ironically enough aren't ours in the first place? What's your goal with this comment, I don't get it.
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Print News is being a little more accurate. Give it a day or two to shift, but goddamn the media has made this hurt more than it should.
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TyrantWD posted:Democratic enthusiasm will also take a large hit. I know several anti-Trump people who have already said they are no longer going to vote. The combination of a fired up right and depressed left will almost certainly keep the Senate in GOP hands even if the presidency is a bridge too far. These people wouldn't have voted HRC anyway. There is literally nothing of substance in this new "investigation" so they were basically waiting for the word email to pop in a headline to justify not voting Clinton.
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Some new polls/news: https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/792603574010249216 https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/792719112417992704 this one though: https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/792719836174581761  11 point swing seems nuts, but it's a tracking poll. So take that as you will.
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J-Spot posted:Yeah. Meet the Press was pretty much full on pushing that this is a disaster for Hillary. American TV news is so bad. Is there any sign that they might change someday?
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That Old Tree posted:Voting area sanctity also helps protect other people from getting their poo poo snapped when they should absolutely be able to expect enhanced privacy. This, plus simple time factors. If someone is excited to vote and wants to share their vote, they can write about it, talk about it, share their list of candidate choices, etc. Trying to make a ballot selfie look cool or interesting is pretty much impossible, so they'll definitely waste time and possibly violate someone else's privacy, trying to get a 'good' pic. My early voting site had a wait over half an hour. Other locations that week in the same state had waits over four hours. Ballot selfies are some  poo poo when your state is run by Republicans who are doing everything legally possible (and more!) to suppress voters.
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Tracking polls are utter garbage in determining the size of swings (or the current predictable vote totals). That being said, they can detect the EXISTENCE of swings, which is why it's fairly safe to say that the race has trended towards Trump over the past week, as the third debate fades from memory.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Holy poo poo, even now? No. Never. They made a huge amount of money this cycle.
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Geostomp posted:Seriously? That's where you're going with this? That's great but what about Hillary's emails????
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I had a dream last night that Trump suspended his campaign. I was so sad this morning when I woke up and it wasn't true.
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botany posted:Not sure if I'd call slavery and genocide a chip on a shoulder, tbh. But of course a message of solidarity with the poor and homeless can still sound inspirational even if it's build on a rotten foundation. Most people (if not all) in this thread would agree Americas history and founding is anything other than rosy. It's still bad form to cynically sneer at someone that finds the statue of liberty inspiring. Its message just as relevant today and its one that should be taken to heart, instead of dismissed because it's a statue of a white lady. I like gfsincere's posting, but that was a real loving dumb thing to say. On an unrelated note, has the recent e-mail thing hurt the downticket races? I've given up hope on winning the house, but the senate is still likely to flip D right? Lie to me if you have to 
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Also, I wouldn't count on the emails thing suppressing the dem turnout. Partisan hardening works both ways and dems have had months and months to hate Trump and the GOP.
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Even the Sankei news, the most conservative news source I read over here, says right away that this is unprecedented and the Justice Department is criticizing the FBI.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Even the Sankei news, the most conservative news source I read over here, says right away that this is unprecedented and the Justice Department is criticizing the FBI. Print news and websites mostly have that kind of thing right now while it appears TV news is going for the drama for the moment. It might change by tomorrow. They love changing up the storyline, after all.
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CBS (10/26-28) Arizona Trump 44 (+2) Clinton 42 J 4 S 1 Colorado Clinton 42 (+3) Trump 39 J 7 S 2 North Carolina Clinton 48 (+3) Trump 45 J 3 Pennsylvania Clinton 48 (+8) Trump 40 J 5 S 2
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Night10194 posted:Also, I wouldn't count on the emails thing suppressing the dem turnout. Partisan hardening works both ways and dems have had months and months to hate Trump and the GOP. Hillary had leads beyond partisan hardening because she was making headway in traditionally GOP demographics like college whites and suburban white women. Those are the people that get peeled off by this story.
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McCloud posted:Most people (if not all) in this thread would agree Americas history and founding is anything other than rosy. It's still bad form to cynically sneer at someone that finds the statue of liberty inspiring. Its message just as relevant today and its one that should be taken to heart, instead of dismissed because it's a statue of a white lady. I like gfsincere's posting, but that was a real loving dumb thing to say. Like I said, it's an inspirational message set up on a foundation of slavery and genocide. Both of those things are part of the picture and it's perfectly acceptable to remind ourselves of both. You chose to focus on the message, gfsincere chose to focus on the history. I don't see a problem with that.
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Northjayhawk posted:CBS (10/26-28) Arizona aside, those look really good.
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Pastrymancy posted:2 points in Arizona looks to be within the Margin of Error. Yep, means still winnable. It's amazing to think if the election had been held like 2 weeks ago it would've been a historic blowout, now we're probably looking at 2012 plus a couple points unless Trump does something amazingly stupid.
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Groovelord Neato posted:or if the director of the fbi wasn't a fuckboy. Polls were trending towards Trump before that happened, though.
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We take a break from arguing whether or not the Statue of Liberty is a Klan member to bring you this SNEAK PREVIEW of Game Change III, coming to your local bookstore next summer: https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/792704892821536768 And here's the reporting from the night he spent "stranded" in Indy.
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Night10194 posted:Yep, means still winnable. I dunno, we still don't have a lot of polling data after the email stuff. I'm still hopeful that the only people who are feeding off the new email nonsense were already voting for trump, or are idiot undecideds and are volatile regardless of what is in the news.
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Try as I might, I can't come up with any reason to be mad about the emails. Maybe it's just a childhood spent watching The X-Files, but I fully expect secrecy and Byzantine machinations from my government, and it doesn't bother me a bit
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Hello, what have we here? https://twitter.com/bodysculptorokc/status/792614856507613184 gah, nevermind, article doesn't support tweet. Hannibal was lied to. And he believed it! SAD!
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Before we all panic some more (stolen from CSPAM): That's some good news.
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Night10194 posted:Yep, means still winnable. The crazy thing is how quickly everyone forgets each new trump scandal. Oh he's a racist? that was so six months ago. Oh he's a rapist? That was so two weeks ago. It's like the whole goddam country has a traumatic brain injury and can't focus on anything for more than three seconds.
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Quorum posted:We take a break from arguing whether or not the Statue of Liberty is a Klan member to bring you this SNEAK PREVIEW of Game Change III, coming to your local bookstore next summer: So once more we see how hard it is to get Trump to do anything halfway competent looking rather than recruit more yes-men lackies.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The crazy thing is how quickly everyone forgets each new trump scandal. Oh he's a racist? that was so six months ago. Oh he's a rapist? That was so two weeks ago. this is the guy that's survived doing/saying at least 50 things that would've immediately tanked any other nominee in history.
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skylined! posted:I dunno, we still don't have a lot of polling data after the email stuff. I'm still hopeful that the only people who are feeding off the new email nonsense were already voting for trump, or are idiot undecideds and are volatile regardless of what is in the news. Oh, I'm not talking about the e-mails, I'm talking about 2 more weeks for the GOP's voters to go 'Ehhh...SUPREME COURT!' and talk themselves into going orange.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The crazy thing is how quickly everyone forgets each new trump scandal. Oh he's a racist? that was so six months ago. Oh he's a rapist? That was so two weeks ago. That and/or people just don't give a poo poo about anything anymore. 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The crazy thing is how quickly everyone forgets each new trump scandal. Oh he's a racist? that was so six months ago. Oh he's a rapist? That was so two weeks ago. They sure can focus on Clinton's e-mails for more than 3 seconds...
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Groovelord Neato posted:this is the guy that's survived doing/saying at least 50 things that would've immediately tanked any other nominee in history. Honestly, I don't think this is correct or true. I think what we're seeing with Trump is how heavy partisan polarization has become. They KNOW he's a piece of poo poo. Look at how few people will say he has the temperament or qualifications to be president in polls, even polls he's doing okay in. Just, well, he's got that R. Any R candidate would get the same at this point, Trump's just an extreme example.
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Crow Jane posted:Try as I might, I can't come up with any reason to be mad about the emails. Maybe it's just a childhood spent watching The X-Files, but I fully expect secrecy and Byzantine machinations from my government, and it doesn't bother me a bit The evening of inauguration day, President Hillary Clinton invites all of the House Republicans to watch an exhibition match at RFK Stadium-- sponsored, of course, by Nike. The sound system plays broken snippets of Trump speeches on a tortured loop. The members of the House Freedom Caucus are getting antsy. "Let's just go make some second amendment solutions," one is heard to say. As they move to leave, they find all of the gates closed, except for one... and Hillary, resplendent in her purple pantsuit, doesn't so much as smile as she signals the National Guard to move in. Quorum fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Night10194 posted:Oh, I'm not talking about the e-mails, I'm talking about 2 more weeks for the GOP's voters to go 'Ehhh...SUPREME COURT!' and talk themselves into going orange. This was pretty much always going to happen. What's interesting is that every time it gets close, Hillary's soft support, the people who want her to win but don't want to sully themselves with a vote for Killary Kkklinton, start to come back around. I think that, with the flurry of polling you get right around election day, you'll see that here, too-- if people go into the voting booth hearing it's within a few points nationally or maybe even within a point or two in their state, they'll be less likely to vote for Wi-Fi Gremlins or What's An Aleppo. But what do I know, undecided and third party voters make their decisions on the whims of chance and the flights of birds, so predicting their movements is inherently impossible, like attempting to compute quantum behaviors with a classical model.
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