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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

A Winner is Jew posted:

Reid doesn't bluff.

Ever.

Not sure if this is a joke, but he was definitely bluffing (or as we usually call it, "lying") about Romney's taxes.

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Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Cingulate posted:

Sorry, what?

"Headcanon" is sort of like somebody's personal fan fiction, like where they have a lengthy explanation for how Jar-Jar Binks is actually a Sith or when they imagine that Hillary is going to lock Donald up after her ascension to the throne. It is usually pretty outlandish but brings comfort to the person creating the headcanon. I am interested in the narrative you have where you hope that Reid is bluffing.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Fidel Castronaut posted:

"Headcanon" is sort of like somebody's personal fan fiction, like where they have a lengthy explanation for how Jar-Jar Binks is actually a Sith or when they imagine that Hillary is going to lock Donald up after her ascension to the throne. It is usually pretty outlandish but brings comfort to the person creating the headcanon. I am interested in the narrative you have where you hope that Reid is bluffing.
It would probably be nicer to think the outgoing Senate Minority Leader is bluffing than to think that the FBI is attempting to swing the election to the Republicans, even when they're running Donald God drat Trump.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Nessus posted:

It would probably be nicer to think the outgoing Senate Minority Leader is bluffing than to think that the FBI is attempting to swing the election to the Republicans, even when they're running Donald God drat Trump.

Or that Russia is ACTIVELY colluding with Trump. Not just trying to help, but actively working with him. That would actually be extremely bad (but also destroy Trump if it came out).

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

A Winner is Jew posted:

Raid is senate minority leader, which means he can call up any democrat on any subcommittee and know what they know.

Reid is also literally the last person I would want to piss off if I were a politician or government employee.

Wait, hold up. What don't I know about Harry Reid being such a power-player?

Serious question. I clearly have not paid enough attention to him.

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

Nessus posted:

It would probably be nicer to think the outgoing Senate Minority Leader is bluffing than to think that the FBI is attempting to swing the election to the Republicans, even when they're running Donald God drat Trump.

Yeah, I find it rather implausible that Comey is pulling levers behind the scenes to get Trump elected, especially since he had an opportunity to recommend indictment and didn't. Which is why I cannot figure out how bluffing would be good.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
So if Reid isn't bluffing he just boxed Comey in perfectly. A reporter is going to shove a mic in his face asking if the allegations are true. Comey literally can't respond with the form answer, 'we don't talk about that' because he just broke that rule three days ago. To be honest with how many shady things Trump's been revealed to have been involved in there's no way the FBI doesn't have several ongoing investigations at the moment.

What a loving moron

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Nessus posted:

It would probably be nicer to think the outgoing Senate Minority Leader is bluffing than to think that the FBI is attempting to swing the election to the Republicans, even when they're running Donald God drat Trump.

Well if we're talking dream worlds Reid could be telling the truth and the FBI could be keeping quiet on a Trump investigation, in hopes of doing their usual and arresting the politician after the election.

Then why announce the Clinton stuff? Can't hurt the investigation since it is a dead end anyway.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Fidel Castronaut posted:

"Headcanon" is sort of like somebody's personal fan fiction, like where they have a lengthy explanation for how Jar-Jar Binks is actually a Sith or when they imagine that Hillary is going to lock Donald up after her ascension to the throne. It is usually pretty outlandish but brings comfort to the person creating the headcanon. I am interested in the narrative you have where you hope that Reid is bluffing.
I'm just thinking of the implications. It would mean Russia has gotten fairly close to get a sort of Manchurian Candidate elected. He's received highly classified material. He's been admired by 100 million Americans. This also means tensions will increase; it means some form of retaliation, perhaps.

It's a really scary idea for Reid's insinuation to be true.

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Cingulate posted:

Oh God no! I have no such delusions.
I think there is a lot of beauty to America. I'm really with Obama here to a good part. As he says, this world is the best it's ever been, and your country is the best it's ever been, and it's on a good path. Slow, but good.
Can't hurt to have more symbols of this.

It's not a celebration of how everything is cool and shiny and how we can stop trying. It's a reminder of where we've come from, what we've left behind, and where we have to continue to head towards.

Speaking as a Christian, of course: we are all born in Sin but for Christ. Sad.

Just because America has the best versions of white people this country has ever had, doesn't make them good.

So continue to pat yourselves on the back for barely crossing the threshold of humanity, meanwhile keep expecting people who actually have to deal with the oppression you put out to keep holding your feet to the fire.

Also, Obama doesn't speak for all black people, nor could he ever, and nor should he, a biracial man raised by a white family, ever be seen as what black people should desire to emulate in terms of thinking about the country we live in.

punk rebel ecks posted:

It's not stupid at all if you actually read the article. The piece actually brushes up on what you stated.

It merely explains WHY the white working class person thinks that way and why they perceive things the way they do.

I think the piece is stupid because it follows most of the popular rhetoric about that group in the sense that it seeks to absolve them of any responsibility for the position they put themselves and millions of attested minorities into by their desire to be terrible people, and gives them a benefit of the doubt not afforded to any other minority group.

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

I just saw this ancestry.com commercial and it's pretty much the worst.

Instead of telling people to gently caress off when they ask "what are you", pay a bunch of money for a DNA test so people know what you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvy9mV-AeJg

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Cingulate posted:

I REALLY hope Reid is bluffing actually. Imagine all of the implications and consequences.
The way I see it, he is bluffing, since he doesn't literally know what files the FBI has. But unless they are all as competent and partisan as Comey, they must have a Trump/Putin file. After all the Manaford involvement, the hacked emails, the expllicit call on national television for more of them, the praise for Putin, the refusal to open the tax returns and his insistence to disassemble NATO, it would be inside if there wasn't such a file.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Fidel Castronaut posted:

Yeah, I find it rather implausible that Comey is pulling levers behind the scenes to get Trump elected, especially since he had an opportunity to recommend indictment and didn't. Which is why I cannot figure out how bluffing would be good.

He didn't recommend indictment because he couldn't find any justification to do so and knew it.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

ImpAtom posted:

He didn't recommend indictment because he couldn't find any justification to do so and knew it.

I mean, he did basically everything he could do to do damage while NOT recommending it already.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/792872606731042817

haha what the gently caress are they smoking in Trump tower

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008
So the three possible explanations of Comey's actions are now basically this, right?

1) The FBI viewed the e-mails without a warrant in an attempt to tie them to the server issue, violating the 4th amendment
2) Comey wrote the letter without knowing the contents in an attempt to swing the election, purposefully violating the Hatch Act
3) Comey wrote the letter without knowing the contents in a botched attempt to not violate the Hatch Act, and ended up accidentally violating the Hatch Act

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Harrow posted:

Wait, hold up. What don't I know about Harry Reid being such a power-player?

Serious question. I clearly have not paid enough attention to him.

He's one of the most powerful Democrats and most powerful senators. Also a former boxer. Also gave Frank Sinatra his casino license.

Also one time someone tried to bribe Reid so he quickly worked with the FBI to sting the dude. The bust goes down and the FBI has to tear Reid off the criminal because he kept shaking the man screaming "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO BRIBE ME"


Don't gently caress with Harry Reid.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Kro-Bar posted:

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/792872606731042817

haha what the gently caress are they smoking in Trump tower

I can *sort* of see them having an insane idea they could take Michigan because of the surprise Bernie win in the primary, but at the same time that happened because of surprising and energetic youth voting.

That is not a situation Trump wants.

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

Does this include all government agencies? Cabinet members can be removed for any reason but heads of certain agencies can only be removed for cause

Yes, civil-service positions can not be fired without cause, but the appointee ladder goes deep in some agencies.

PenguinKnight
Apr 6, 2009

waiting for headlines like "Hillary's Micropenis? Hundreds of Emails Found About Pills That Promise Bigger Boners Today!"

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

ImpAtom posted:

He didn't recommend indictment because he couldn't find any justification to do so and knew it.

I'm responding to people who seem to think Comey is some sort of secret Trump agent, so the idea that Comey would hesitate to recommend indictment for not having justification is rather preposterous if he's working overtime to get DJT to be#45.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

gfsincere posted:

Just because America has the best versions of white people this country has ever had, doesn't make them good.
I'm not so much about people. It's systems, customs and institutions, and history.

gfsincere posted:

So continue to pat yourselves on the back for barely crossing the threshold of humanity, meanwhile keep expecting people who actually have to deal with the oppression you put out to keep holding your feet to the fire.
I'm not exactly sure I understand what you're saying here, but: I think complacency would be wrong. But pessimism, nihilism or radicalism would be wrong. We're on a good path. Your symbols have led you on this path. It wasn't that "All men created equal" became reality the second it was written down, but it has been a guiding principle of a multi-century drift away from barbarism. One or two more centuries, and we'll be in a very good place.

It is important we keep on this path. Progressivism is good.

gfsincere posted:

Also, Obama doesn't speak for all black people
I wasn't citing Obama as a black person, but as a really smart person whose progressively pragmatic perspective on the world I wish was more prevalent.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

So the three possible explanations of Comey's actions are now basically this, right?

1) The FBI viewed the e-mails without a warrant in an attempt to tie them to the server issue, violating the 4th amendment
2) Comey wrote the letter without knowing the contents in an attempt to swing the election, purposefully violating the Hatch Act
3) Comey wrote the letter without knowing the contents in a botched attempt to not violate the Hatch Act, and ended up accidentally violating the Hatch Act

4) Comey had no clue, but did all he could not to appear like a democrat. No matter the other implications.

Fidel Castronaut posted:

I'm responding to people who seem to think Comey is some sort of secret Trump agent, so the idea that Comey would hesitate to recommend indictment for not having justification rather preposterous if he's working overtime to get DJT to be#45.

His press statement with regards to that was basically a perfect Foxnews soundbite. He knew that he had nothing to go on, so he had to close the case, but he did everything in his power to say, "but this is still kinda suspicious. Keep an eye on that Clinton woman."

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Oct 31, 2016

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Necc0 posted:

So if Reid isn't bluffing he just boxed Comey in perfectly. A reporter is going to shove a mic in his face asking if the allegations are true. Comey literally can't respond with the form answer, 'we don't talk about that' because he just broke that rule three days ago. To be honest with how many shady things Trump's been revealed to have been involved in there's no way the FBI doesn't have several ongoing investigations at the moment.

What a loving moron

He still technically has a way out. Comey can hide behind "we had to update the committee because of my sworn testimony earlier, any hypothetical investigation into Donald Trump would not have the same requirement." It doesn't matter if that's legitimate or not, but it's the excuse I've already seen given in various places.

Trabisnikof posted:

He's one of the most powerful Democrats and most powerful senators. Also a former boxer. Also gave Frank Sinatra his casino license.

Also one time someone tried to bribe Reid so he quickly worked with the FBI to sting the dude. The bust goes down and the FBI has to tear Reid off the criminal because he kept shaking the man screaming "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO BRIBE ME"


Don't gently caress with Harry Reid.

God drat. I never would've guessed.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

gfsincere posted:

You're free to think whatever you like. You're not going to change my opinion on the matter and to be perfectly frank, I don't care what you think about it. You're arguing about how black people view a symbol that was ultimately a circlejerk and doesn't live up to either meaning it was intended for in the least, but hey, as long as it gives you the warm fuzzies.

I don't care.

The statue is bullshit, just like most white symbols of American exceptionalism.

This is more or less the cultural equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum. The statue means what we want it to mean. Shouting down people who try to associate it with exaltation of the multiethnic element of America is counter productive in the most literal sense. Nations are not real, they exist because we think they do and they mean what we think they mean. Symbols and stories are a big part of that. If you want to change things, it's more effective to negotiate the meaning of those symbols than to try and convince everyone that All That Is And Ever Was is bad and awful and wrong. I should not need to explain to you why the latter is a losing strategy.

That you're treating the Statue of Liberty, of all things, as some kind of completely unuseable symbol of atrocity is ludicrous. It is by far the easiest national symbol we have to use for humanist and secular ends.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Fidel Castronaut posted:

I'm responding to people who seem to think Comey is some sort of secret Trump agent, so the idea that Comey would hesitate to recommend indictment for not having justification rather preposterous if he's working overtime to get DJT to be#45.

That doesn't actually make sense. He can't recommend indictment without reason.Instead he gave the Republicans a bunch of talking points (which they ignored because they wanted him to do the thing he couldn't do.)

CascadeBeta
Feb 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747

cant cook creole bream posted:

4) Comey had no clue, but did all he could not to appear like a democrat. No matter the other implications.

... Which would still violate the Hatch act, I assume?

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.
CNN just confirmed the warrant.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Trabisnikof posted:

He's one of the most powerful Democrats and most powerful senators. Also a former boxer. Also gave Frank Sinatra his casino license.

Also one time someone tried to bribe Reid so he quickly worked with the FBI to sting the dude. The bust goes down and the FBI has to tear Reid off the criminal because he kept shaking the man screaming "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO BRIBE ME"


Don't gently caress with Harry Reid.
A few years ago, I found this picture online:


Back then, I had no idea what any of the involved people were, or what that building was.

I saved it as "scary_men.jpg".

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

gfsincere posted:

Just because America has the best versions of white people this country has ever had, doesn't make them good.

So continue to pat yourselves on the back for barely crossing the threshold of humanity, meanwhile keep expecting people who actually have to deal with the oppression you put out to keep holding your feet to the fire.


You know, it's okay if some people like America. Saying something has good traits doesn't mean you're saying that it has no bad traits. And allowing people to have a bit of pride in their country doesn't equal condoning evil.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

CascadeBeta posted:

... Which would still violate the Hatch act, I assume?

Of course it would. But if he proves that he's a republican that doesn't count.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

What does the warrant stuff mean?

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow
Comey is on Putin's payroll imho

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010

Nessus posted:

If the NSA is using this to make some kind of counter-play against Comey then this election has officially become a Metalocalypse episode

Mmmmmm

*looks at a bunch of movies and books*

Isn't usually the CIA that gets into dick contests with the FBI. Man this sure is weird.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Night10194 posted:

What does the warrant stuff mean?

Nothing really. Just the next step in this next phase of Email Decision 2016

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Night10194 posted:

What does the warrant stuff mean?

They needed a warrant to actually read the emails, securing a warrant means that they may have gone through all of them before election day but I doubt it

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
I remember back in the day when lots of people, me included, were constantly down on Harry Reid for coming off as so ineffectual in the face of Republican opposition. These last few years have been much better.

Kro-Bar
Jul 24, 2004
USPOL May

Night10194 posted:

What does the warrant stuff mean?

It means the FBI can look at Weiner and/or Huma's emails and try to find something they can leak to the right wing media to try to tank Hillary before the election.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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thetoughestbean posted:

You know, it's okay if some people like America. Saying something has good traits doesn't mean you're saying that it has no bad traits. And allowing people to have a bit of pride in their country doesn't equal condoning evil.

I got shouted at for stating this a few threads back, its odd seeing the same things come up again and again.

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RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Captain Oblivious posted:

This is more or less the cultural equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum. The statue means what we want it to mean. Shouting down people who try to associate it with exaltation of the multiethnic element of America is counter productive in the most literal sense. Nations are not real, they exist because we think they do and they mean what we think they mean. Symbols and stories are a big part of that. If you want to change things, it's more effective to negotiate the meaning of those symbols than to try and convince everyone that All That Is And Ever Was is bad and awful and wrong. I should not need to explain to you why the latter is a losing strategy.

That you're treating the Statue of Liberty, of all things, as some kind of completely unuseable symbol of atrocity is ludicrous. It is by far the easiest national symbol we have to use for humanist and secular ends.

See how many posts he can go without referencing white people.

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