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Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!
My two cents regarding nuclear launch chat and having served on a ballistic missile submarine:

Ballistic missile submarines underway operate in a state of very limited communication with the mainland. All messages to and from the boat come directly through the military controlled messaging service. The result is that the crew would not be aware if the order to launch would be retalitory or not.

In addition, when the boat is 'on alert' (ready to launch on command), we continually drill launches. The drill procedure is a potential launch message which the command staff must authenticate without knowing ahead of time whether it is a real launch order or not.

Also, the targeting data for the missiles is pre-loaded and not actually under the control of the crew.

In the event of a legitimate launch command. The crew would respond exactly the same as if it were a drill only once the codes are verified it's launch time and the missiles go off. The whole system is designed to take crew intervention completely out of the equation.

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boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

gfsincere posted:

Your first mistake was thinking it was an argument and I was trying to sway your opinion.

Let me let you in on a secret:

MOST MINORITIES DON'T GIVE A gently caress ABOUT YOUR WHITE OPINIONS OR FEELINGS ABOUT THINGS THAT AFFECT US.

Me stating my opinion wasn't an invitation to you to "change my view" or vice versa. I didn't present a question, nor was this a church call and response.

You don't like the fact that people don't see your stupid rear end statue as a beacon of hope? Maybe try to fix this country so it doesn't constantly have its boot on the necks of minorities in every aspect of their lives.

Until you're out there doing that, you're "b-b-but I think its awesome!" means dogshit.


Hey, if you don't like the discussion in the thread, you could always log off or gently caress off to another thread.

You're too mad at the internet and it immediately makes me stop taking you seriously.

Built 4 Cuban Linux
Jul 15, 2007

i own america

Crazy Ted posted:

Some newish poll numbers: Hillary +8 in PA, Hillary +3 in NC, Hillary +3 in CO, Trump +2 in AZ

Which ones are these?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Young Freud posted:

This was before he had his exercise machine accident and lost his eye, right? Because now Reid tends to wear shades like the Terminator all the time now.

He could just go with glasses with one lens blacked out like Stringfellow Hawk from Airwolf. Or wear an eyepatch under glasses, everyone digs eyepatches.

Jesus, I actually never heard about that .:psyduck:

Kawabata
Apr 20, 2014

You plebians just don't know what epic literature is. You should try reading Stephanie Meyer, E.L. James, Dan Brown, or Ayn Rand.

ImpAtom posted:

We underfund our universities, our cultural output is largely biased and racist against people of color in a way that promotes stereotype and denies actors and actresses work, our national parks are also underfunded... like nothing here is worth being proud of. It's 'it could be worse.' The fact it's better than some other countries is why we should be improving more, not being proud that we're not as lovely as we could be. America could be good. It'd be nice if we were. We're not. We're a violent, racist, dangerous country whose strongest elements we have at least 40% of our country seeking to destroy. Nobody should be proud of that.

I mean other than the guns and the not having universal healthcare in 2016 you're not doing that bad guys. Have you seen how Europe treats its immigrates? The ultra right is going places here. Sure every country should strive to be better than it currently is and comparisons don't actually mean a lot but still, things could be much worse and hey hahaha they could be shortly if Trump wins.

Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx

Tom Guycot posted:

So after Hillary wins, is it going to take another win in 2020 before the GOP realizes even with all their voter suppression tactics they just don't have the demographics to win the presidency anymore? Also how long until there is a huge push to have california, new york, and pennsylvania give their electoral votes proportionally? Given california's love of ballot initiatives loving things over, I'm surprised there hasn't been one already.

Depends on who they run and what they do.

If they run a credible Romney-like candidate (without his 47% baggage) who speaks the usual GOP talking points and policy proposals, and who manages to look friendly, smart, and harmless, does well in the debates, etc..... and they STILL lose to Hillary loving Clinton. That would have to shock them into taking a long look at what they stand for and what parts of their ideology may no longer be possible and has to die.

If they nominate a fire-breathing conservative like Cruz who runs around yelling about abortion and cutting social security along with a bad gaffe or 3, they might learn nothing and punt 2024 as well.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

I Killed GBS posted:

this is a false dichotomy

have you even read the forum recently?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Nessus posted:

Looks like Obama's job approval numbers keep on climbing too. Thanks, Obama.

That CO is a little closer than I'd like but everything else is good.

Also, I imagine Obama's job approval is partly because 'Jesus loving christ I wish this election wasn't happening'. Also, Campaign Obama.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Kawabata posted:

Also: why do your media poo poo so hard on Hillary after being insulted on a day to day basis by the worst presidential candidate in the history of the US. What the gently caress is CNN doing with their poo poo headlines.

Journalists are scum, friend.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:

Which ones are these?
CBS. I forgot to post the source at first oops!

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Sinestro posted:

If you aren't trying to have a debate and you aren't trying to convince other people to change their opinions, then why the gently caress are you posting?

Who said I was posting to have a debate and discussion with racist shitheads?

Where did I ever say that's what I was here for?

Do you see me having contentious discussions with other non-shithead posters?

Kinda amazing how I can have a calm discussion with some posters and some posters I dismiss as not having opinions worthy of consideration. Could it be that they are just bad posters putting forth racist bullshit?

No...that idea didn't enter your head. The problem must be the black guy.

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.

ImpAtom posted:

People keep bringing this up but it absolutely isn't a similar situation in the slightest. It is, at best, "well, maybe he was willing to disagree with George Bush" and not a specific targeted attack 11 days before the election. You can't say it was an innocent mistake because he sent a broadcast about how he knew it was going to cause trouble.

And if you're going for the argument of "he didn't want to get brought up on perjury charges' then that means he was willing to put out a Republican-friendly attack letter to protect himself which isn't any better.

It keep being brought up because it's really good evidence that he isn't the shill that people need to make him out to be so that they can sell their narrative. The Deputy Attorney General, in an election year, told the President to gently caress off and threatened to resign. That isn't "willing to disagree with George Bush," that is willing to do damage to the most powerful member of your party in a contentious election year.

You can't just wave that away. I mean, you can, if it makes your narrative sound less plausible, but it's disingenuous to do so.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

gfsincere posted:

Why is it incumbent upon minorities to teach yall how to be decent human beings? That's not our goddamn jobs and we weren't put here to serve your whims. If you can't figure out how to not be oppressive shitheads on your own, then that says a lot about yourself, that a minority has to educate you on how to treat them like human beings and that white people are somehow incapable of figuring it out on your own.

It is not the responsibility of any single group. Culture is an aggregate. The definition of a nation is something that arises from how all of us, collectively, talk about it is, what it was, and what it can be. The following:

A) That we had, and have, lovely and xenophobic views towards both minorities and immigrants

B) That the New Colossus is emblematic of what secular humanists/the left in America have been trying to create

C) That our track record on civil rights and minorities is superior to that of many other nations

Can actually simultaneously be true.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Tricky D posted:

My two cents regarding nuclear launch chat and having served on a ballistic missile submarine:

Ballistic missile submarines underway operate in a state of very limited communication with the mainland. All messages to and from the boat come directly through the military controlled messaging service. The result is that the crew would not be aware if the order to launch would be retalitory or not.

In addition, when the boat is 'on alert' (ready to launch on command), we continually drill launches. The drill procedure is a potential launch message which the command staff must authenticate without knowing ahead of time whether it is a real launch order or not.

Also, the targeting data for the missiles is pre-loaded and not actually under the control of the crew.

In the event of a legitimate launch command. The crew would respond exactly the same as if it were a drill only once the codes are verified it's launch time and the missiles go off. The whole system is designed to take crew intervention completely out of the equation.

I kind of felt dizzy reading that. Jesus.

Academician Nomad
Jan 29, 2016

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I think you just profoundly missed the point
The initial claim was that there is pitifully little to be proud about in America. My point was that however much poo poo there is in America's past and present, and there's a huge huge amount, there are also lots of very good things about America. I was not making any claim whatsoever as to whether the good in any way balances or reduces the bad, nor claiming those good things are pure and unsullied by racism or ethereally perfect. But there are good things about America, even if they can and ought to be better. It's a modest but I think important claim when people are seriously arguing the opposite.

ImpAtom posted:

Yellowstone is hilariously underfunded, yes. It has been since the early 2000s and suffers heavily for it? There's no reason to be proud that it's barely staying above water. Yellowstone is a great park but not one we should be proud of because we're doing everything we can to change that by refusing to give our national parks the funding they need.
It's still really good though.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Crowsbeak posted:

BTW are hispanics like hilariously underpolled or what?
Si. Los encuestadores son demasiado barato para hacer encuestas en español.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

gfsincere posted:

Who said I was posting to have a debate and discussion with racist shitheads?

Where did I ever say that's what I was here for?

Do you see me having contentious discussions with other non-shithead posters?

Kinda amazing how I can have a calm discussion with some posters and some posters I dismiss as not having opinions worthy of consideration. Could it be that they are just bad posters putting forth racist bullshit?

No...that idea didn't enter your head. The problem must be the black guy.

ROARRRRRRRR HULK SMASH

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Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/792871960892014593

Trump: This election is gonna be rigged!

Also Trump: Rig this election.

Clint Howard
Jul 16, 2006

by zen death robot

ImpAtom posted:

We underfund our universities, our cultural output is largely biased and racist against people of color in a way that promotes stereotype and denies actors and actresses work, our national parks are also underfunded... like nothing here is worth being proud of. It's 'it could be worse.' The fact it's better than some other countries is why we should be improving more, not being proud that we're not as lovely as we could be. America could be good. It'd be nice if we were. We're not. We're a violent, racist, dangerous country whose strongest elements we have at least 40% of our country seeking to destroy. Nobody should be proud of that.

As a woke POC, roughly what percentage of my time should I spend whining about this situation in the somethingawful dot com forums? I also need to pencil in some time this week for feeling sorry for myself, so please take that into consideration.

The GIG
Jun 28, 2011

Yeah, I say "Shit" a shit-ton of times. What of it, shithead?

Kawabata posted:

I mean other than the guns and the not having universal healthcare in 2016 you're not doing that bad guys. Have you seen how Europe treats its immigrates? The ultra right is going places here. Sure every country should strive to be better than it currently is and comparisons don't actually mean a lot but still, things could be much worse and hey hahaha they could be shortly if Trump wins.

We not doing that bad is still pretty bad, actually.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Academician Nomad posted:

The initial claim was that there is pitifully little to be proud about in America. My point was that however much poo poo there is in America's past and present, and there's a huge huge amount, there are also lots of very good things about America. I was not making any claim whatsoever as to whether the good in any way balances or reduces the bad, nor claiming those good things are pure and unsullied by racism or ethereally perfect. But there are good things about America, even if they can and ought to be better. It's a modest but I think important claim when people are seriously arguing the opposite.

you claimed the national parks service is not underfunded because one park is nice
you claimed the university system is not underfunded because two universities are nice
you claimed we don't exploit and commodify black culture because jazz is cool

you completely missed the point

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

gfsincere posted:

Let me be the first to tell you, very few things in the universe revolve around you and your thoughts, and sometimes sitting in silence is best when you have nothing constructive to add besides "I don't like your opinion".

Why don't you take your own advice here

negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Tricky D posted:

My two cents regarding nuclear launch chat and having served on a ballistic missile submarine:

Ballistic missile submarines underway operate in a state of very limited communication with the mainland. All messages to and from the boat come directly through the military controlled messaging service. The result is that the crew would not be aware if the order to launch would be retalitory or not.

In addition, when the boat is 'on alert' (ready to launch on command), we continually drill launches. The drill procedure is a potential launch message which the command staff must authenticate without knowing ahead of time whether it is a real launch order or not.

Also, the targeting data for the missiles is pre-loaded and not actually under the control of the crew.

In the event of a legitimate launch command. The crew would respond exactly the same as if it were a drill only once the codes are verified it's launch time and the missiles go off. The whole system is designed to take crew intervention completely out of the equation.

People fail to realize there are folks on ballistic submarines right now that have no idea about pussygate or 95% of the awful poo poo that Trump has said.

One nuke I knew referred to it as "being in solitary confinement but with a hundred other dudes".

Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx

Kawabata posted:

Also: why do your media poo poo so hard on Hillary after being insulted on a day to day basis by the worst presidential candidate in the history of the US. What the gently caress is CNN doing with their poo poo headlines.

I wish I loving knew. Its infuriating.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

gfsincere posted:

One nuke I knew referred to it as "being in solitary confinement but with a hundred other dudes".

hot

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Mel Mudkiper posted:

have you even read the forum recently?

i hate to sound like a jill stein voter, but we must break free of this oppressive system that only allows two terrible subjects of discussion

Academician Nomad
Jan 29, 2016

Mel Mudkiper posted:

you claimed the national parks service is not underfunded because one park is nice
you claimed the university system is not underfunded because two universities are nice
you claimed we don't exploit and commodify black culture because jazz is cool

you completely missed the point
No I didn't.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Academician Nomad posted:

Yeah Yellowstone is a real piece of poo poo

So are Harvard and Berkeley

Jazz and blues are tied to a racist past and therefore bad and worthless, art can only be good if it comes from a pure society

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Northjayhawk posted:

I wish I loving knew. Its infuriating.

i can tell you: because a horserace is more interesting than a stomping, and because if they told everyone donald trump was a shithead 43-45% of the country would send in outraged STOP BEING BIASED letters

Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!

GalacticAcid posted:

I kind of felt dizzy reading that. Jesus.

The threat of nuclear deterrence doesn't really work if you think you can gamble on whether the doomsday machine will decide not to doomsday.

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Trabisnikof posted:

He's one of the most powerful Democrats and most powerful senators. Also a former boxer. Also gave Frank Sinatra his casino license.

Also one time someone tried to bribe Reid so he quickly worked with the FBI to sting the dude. The bust goes down and the FBI has to tear Reid off the criminal because he kept shaking the man screaming "HOW DARE YOU TRY TO BRIBE ME"


Don't gently caress with Harry Reid.

holy poo poo apparently someone tried to car bomb him

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

gfsincere posted:

People fail to realize there are folks on ballistic submarines right now that have no idea about pussygate or 95% of the awful poo poo that Trump has said.

One nuke I knew referred to it as "being in solitary confinement but with a hundred other dudes".

your lack of F-bombs in this post make me think your meltdown is curbing and i would like to invite you to ramp it back up

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Agrajag posted:

holy poo poo apparently someone tried to car bomb him

I need more amazing Harry Reid stories.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

:stare:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/792880085195976706

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Yeah, do they get gay while underway or what? Could we be launching a hot load at the same time as some navy man is launching a hot load?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Fidel Castronaut posted:

It keep being brought up because it's really good evidence that he isn't the shill that people need to make him out to be so that they can sell their narrative. The Deputy Attorney General, in an election year, told the President to gently caress off and threatened to resign. That isn't "willing to disagree with George Bush," that is willing to do damage to the most powerful member of your party in a contentious election year.

You can't just wave that away. I mean, you can, if it makes your narrative sound less plausible, but it's disingenuous to do so.

No, it's ignoring the fact that "he did that then" doesn't change what he did now. There's literally no excuse for his behavior here and calling it mere stupidity doesn't fit the information we have where he was well aware it was going to cause issues.It's tiresome that people are trying to give him the 'excuse' of merely being one of the stupidest people to ever hold a public office when the much simpler answer is malicious intent.

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

Ah those pious murderers

Northjayhawk
Mar 8, 2008

by exmarx

Tricky D posted:

The threat of nuclear deterrence doesn't really work if you think you can gamble on whether the doomsday machine will decide not to doomsday.

Don't worry, everything will be fine as long as we don't elect a deranged lunatic who is impulsive and quick to anger.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
murderous, rotten, no good,... pious?

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negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

rscott posted:

Why don't you take your own advice here

Why don't you put more effort into your shitposting?

Captain Oblivious posted:

It is not the responsibility of any single group. Culture is an aggregate. The definition of a nation is something that arises from how all of us, collectively, talk about it is, what it was, and what it can be. The following:

A) That we had, and have, lovely and xenophobic views towards both minorities and immigrants

B) That the New Colossus is emblematic of what secular humanists/the left in America have been trying to create

C) That our track record on civil rights and minorities is superior to that of many other nations

Can actually simultaneously be true.

Please explain to me how minorities are responsible for white culture and its racism?

I'd love to hear that.

TBeats posted:

ROARRRRRRRR HULK SMASH

You're so cool for playing on the "angry black man" stereotype that black posters have repeatedly asked this thread to stop doing but keep doing anyways, while other white people who know of this stand idly by. You're so cool.

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