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Ruggan posted:Call a spade a spade is a racist term? I thought it was just a phrase about card games. That's how I was introduced to it. In a game where spades ruled them all. It dates back to ancient Greece and its offensiveness is another example of American exceptionalism, apparently.
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Mendrian posted:This kind of thing comes up in HR for big companies all the time. I mean I understand what you're saying and think you're making a reasonable argument. I was objecting to someone saying "intent doesn't matter" as a matter of semantics. The real thing they were trying to say is "intent doesn't change how I feel about this" though, because in some form or another intent does and should matter.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I don't think I've ever heard this. Do people still use it that way? according to my cousin in south carolina, definitely
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gfsincere posted:Nope, this country has spent entirely too loving long being concerned with the well being of unabashed racists to the detriment of everyone else. gently caress em all. I can actually agree with this. Are you by any chance familiar with Good Musliim Bad Muslim? http://www.goodmuslimbadmuslim.com/ poo poo pissed me off recently: they were talking about Clinton's remarks during the debates on how "muslim communities" must continue to be on the "front lines" on reporting / preventing domestic terror, and the two were reacting pretty freaked out about the implication that...? (I didn't get it at the time). I know Clinton was referring to the fact that the FBI reports that a large fraction of plots are foiled with the assistance of information provided by Muslim individuals and at first it felt like they were intentionally misinterpreting Clinton's point that we all need to *dramatic positive Nixon voice* all come together to stop the spread of terror abroad and at home. I finally got it, though -- it's hosed up to specifically single out Muslim communities as those who need to have their ear to the ground because they're presumably proximal to terror. In the light of the recent foiled Kansas Nov. 9th bombing, Talibundy, and the voter intimidation we're seeing across the loving country right now, it's probably clear to everyone here that loving whites are probably (1) more armed (2) possibly just as radical if not (3) way more loving scary right now in this goddamn country. FOod for thought.
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theflyingorc posted:You can recognize all those things and still find the situation lamentable and upsetting I don't think light lesbian foreplay in front of some frat guys before taking a shot to the face is super terrible, but yeah it's not great. Nothing will happen to them
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Scent of Worf posted:This guy is really loving mad holy heck!! Also those two stupid white girls are don't actually matter in any real way you are just having a contest in self-righteousness.
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Ruggan posted:I mean I understand what you're saying and think you're making a reasonable argument. I was objecting to someone saying "intent doesn't matter" as a matter of semantics. The real thing they were trying to say is "intent doesn't change how I feel about this" though, because in some form or another intent does and should matter. Well I think virtually anyone could counter that with, 'intent could certainly make it worse'. Like at the very least, I imagine you'd be even less tolerant of someone who is a lifestyle racist than someone who is not, but I am white, so I don't generally try to pretend I understand how minorities feel.
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Squeegy posted:It dates back to ancient Greece and its offensiveness is another example of American exceptionalism, apparently. There's a lot of false urban legends about words having racist origins There's also a lot of true ones
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Mendrian posted:Well I think virtually anyone could counter that with, 'intent could certainly make it worse'. Like at the very least, I imagine you'd be even angrier at someone who is a lifestyle racist than someone who is not, but I am white, so I don't generally try to pretend I understand how minorities feel. Yeah. True. Anyway I'm okay stopping the conversation on intent since it's getting stale and nobody probably wants to read another one of my goddamn stupid posts on the topic.
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Ruggan posted:I mean I understand what you're saying and think you're making a reasonable argument. I was objecting to someone saying "intent doesn't matter" as a matter of semantics. The real thing they were trying to say is "intent doesn't change how I feel about this" though, because in some form or another intent does and should matter. And in the real world no one gives a poo poo about your intent in many environments, the workplace being one of them. But I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to tell Security about your intent as they are tossing you and your poo poo out the door because you thought it would be funny to come to work in blackface and had no intention of being offensive, and never once question why you think offensive racist poo poo is funny. Pro tip: its funny because you know you'll never ever be on the receiving end of it.
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gamey posted:.!. It took a second for me to realize what I was seeing 
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Just use another suit. Clubs are fine. Call a club a club.
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My favorite part of this article about Justine Sacco:quote:But despite her near invisibility on social media, she was still ridiculed and demonized across the Internet. Biddle (guy who wrote about her tweet initially -Ed.) wrote a Valleywag post after she returned to the work force: “Sacco, who apparently spent the last month hiding in Ethiopia after infuriating our species with an idiotic AIDS joke, is now a ‘marketing and promotion’ director at Hot or Not.” And then the company he worked for went bankrupt
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Maxwell Lord posted:Just use another suit. Clubs are fine. Call a club a club. Or a cigar a cigar.
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I went back to the heart of Pennsyltucky to visit my family for the holidays a few years back and got invited to an old friend's Christmas party. It turns out it was KWANZAAFEST 2011 and it was all white dudes in the basement of this gigantic mcmansion in the middle of nowhere. Rasta wigs weren't uncommon. There was a bunch of nerds rapping about star trek and the winner of the "rap off" got a 40 oz and a super soaker. Like, I don't know, maybe instead of leaving quietly and speeding the gently caress back to civilization I could have tried to find a better answer. Maybe I could have tried grabbing the mic and asking pointed questions. Maybe barricading the doors and setting the place on fire was the correct solution. I just think it's important that we leave all of our options on the table.
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This election season is lighting a fire under our collective asses to get out in the cold and shine some loving light in a dark world. This thread is now back on track.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I went back to the heart of Pennsyltucky to visit my family for the holidays a few years back and got invited to an old friend's Christmas party. It turns out it was KWANZAAFEST 2011 and it was all white dudes in the basement of this gigantic mcmansion in the middle of nowhere. Rasta wigs weren't uncommon. There was a bunch of nerds rapping about star trek and the winner of the "rap off" got a 40 oz and a super soaker. i think a live enacting of saw, complete with ironic life lessons would have been not entirely unwarranted
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gfsincere posted:Nope, this country has spent entirely too loving long being concerned with the well being of unabashed racists to the detriment of everyone else. gently caress em all. Potato Salad posted:I can actually agree with this. Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. I'm just saying I can't really stand by your arguments because they seem to come from a hateful place. I don't think that's a good or healthy perspective to hold or agree with or stand by. I'm sure you're going to jump on this and explain why I'm wrong but I'd honestly like to hear it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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gfsincere posted:And in the real world no one gives a poo poo about your intent in many environments, the workplace being one of them. You have obliquely dropped that  you are an important manager in real lifego ahead tell us your story with some racist gently caress LIke actually do it, telling personal stories gets threads back on track and gets conversations going in good ways.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I went back to the heart of Pennsyltucky to visit my family for the holidays a few years back and got invited to an old friend's Christmas party. It turns out it was KWANZAAFEST 2011 and it was all white dudes in the basement of this gigantic mcmansion in the middle of nowhere. Rasta wigs weren't uncommon. There was a bunch of nerds rapping about star trek and the winner of the "rap off" got a 40 oz and a super soaker. Nothing is worse than white people rapping ironically
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Mercrom posted:It's true. It's better than the alternative which is to stop caring and give up on discussion about progressive causes because they are turning into uncritical circlejerks. "I care about progress. But also, I don't care about tone policing and how it can affect minorities in discussions." Which one is it? Either you're a idiot liar or you're a racist Bernout that believes race issues are a "distraction" from the "real issues".
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Handwringing about intent is just a way for white people to sooth their own anxiety about being seen as racist.
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boner confessor posted:there are so many coded euphemisms for black people that practically every american english idiom has some racist undertone Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.
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Ruggan posted:Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. i don't think it takes hate to not be concerned about the potential backlash two people might face for engaging in racist actions given the internet is as it is, i'd be surprised if they faced any appreciable backlash at all honestly, i mean, on principle i wouldn't condone someone screwing up their lives but i'm not going to lose any sleep either if people that do terrible things have a terrible time
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Ruggan posted:I don't think that's a good or healthy perspective to hold or agree with or stand by. I'm sure you're going to jump on this and explain why I'm wrong but I'd honestly like to hear it. Sure, I'll begin with " I don't have a perspective" and "I don't have an argument" this thread is a hilarious garbage fire, I'm watching people willfully misunderstand each other, nobody is backing off and putting effort into making sure they're being understood, and I'm not inclined in a high velocity thread to get involved in any way deeper than a couple shitposts. read between lines if you want meaning
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Ruggan posted:Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. Hot take: I hate racists.
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Ruggan posted:Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. How in the gently caress is saying "I don't want employees that will dehumanize other employees and be racist to them" hateful? How is "I want people who do hateful and racist poo poo to be crushed under the weight of being publicly shamed for their blatant disrespect towards the humanity of others" hateful? Better yet, why are my posts hateful but their mocking of another race that's been stripped of drat near everything not hateful? You have a WHOLE lot of implicit racial bias to unpack and to be quite frank I don't have the time or the disposition to do it.
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Potato Salad posted:Sure, I'll begin with " I don't have a perspective" and "I don't have an argument" It's mostly a garbage fire on the weekends, not sure why
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I just watched that documentary about Mittens, and jesus christ, I never thought I would look back with fondness at that rear end in a top hat, but after Trump...
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Ruggan posted:Idk, it's such heated language. It's charged with hate. I am trying to understand your point of view and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be projecting hate that you feel has been directed towards you. I don't hate you and I don't believe you should be disrespected or mistreated for whatever you are in real life. wait are you talking about my thoughts on the Good Muslim, Bad Muslim podcast or this thread? If this thread: it has a lot of people who just want to be right about everything. It used to be very libertarian for that reason a long time ago ,and I think the same issue hangs around today. Spite is certainly a characterizing word among other things. If my thoughts about the podcast or me or something:  whatchu talking about? I don't even think I'm involved in this discussion, wasn't this between gifsincere and .....some guy? about the indian girl costume picture?
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Tom Guycot posted:I just watched that documentary about Mittens, and jesus christ, I never thought I would look back with fondness at that rear end in a top hat, but after Trump... My favorite part of that documentary is when he goes back to the green room after the second debate. His family and staff are giving him meaningless platitudes and he looks like he just spent a week on Iwo Jima in 1945.
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Tom Guycot posted:I just watched that documentary about Mittens, and jesus christ, I never thought I would look back with fondness at that rear end in a top hat, but after Trump...  Mittens is just like you and me, except awful
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1stGear posted:My favorite part of that documentary is when he goes back to the green room after the second debate. His family and staff are giving him meaningless platitudes and he looks like he just spent a week on Iwo Jima in 1945. I liked the part where he lost and everyone was sad.
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