Euphoriaphone posted:

Remember how Obama appointing a Republican to head the FBI came around to bite the Democrats in the rear end, and how hopeful you were that Clinton would avoid those hollow displays of bipartisanship? Well, you'll be glad disappointed to know in some of Podesta's leaked emails they're talking about a Texas Republian judge for their Supreme Court nomination.

You might argue just because some random Clinton supporter emailed Podesta about their pick for the SC nod, it doesn't mean that's who Clinton will nominate, but this if from one of the DNC's biggest backers.

Euphoriaphone posted:

Remember how Obama appointing a Republican to head the FBI came around to bite the Democrats in the rear end, and how hopeful you were that Clinton would avoid those hollow displays of bipartisanship? Well, you'll be glad disappointed to know in some of Podesta's leaked emails they're talking about a Texas Republian judge for their Supreme Court nomination.

You might argue just because some random Clinton supporter emailed Podesta about their pick for the SC nod, it doesn't mean that's who Clinton will nominate, but this if from one of the DNC's biggest backers.

Scent of Worf posted:

I think we're going to regret not getting Bernie into the WH instead

gfsincere posted:

I know this is gonna be hard for you, but it involves shutting the gently caress up and listening.

So try shutting the gently caress up for a hot second, you might learn some poo poo.

Or you can keep being an antagonistic fuckhead. Your choice really.

hexenmexen posted:

I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me.

gfsincere posted:

Women's suffrage in the US was bolstered and supported by the KKK which had over a million members at that time.

Ruggan posted:

It's just a little sad, you know? Like I'm trying to do my best to reach out, be understanding, express that I'm open to learning. I hope you believe that.

woke wedding drone posted:

Lead out in cuffs posted:

OK, so I'll have a go at an effortpost.

1. Do your own homework on -isms. Don't expect people who are one the receiving end of racism, sexism, etc to have to bear the burden of educating the people on the giving end.

2. Understand that you benefit from a system of privilege founded on prejudice, that your voice is already amplified, and your perspectives given greater weight than people further down the privilege scale than you. http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/whiteness

3. From 2, do your best to shut up and listen to what people further down the privilege scale from you have to say, without getting defensive. White fragility is real; work against it. http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-white-people-freak-out-when-theyre-called-out-about-race

4. Tone policing is also real, and is another way that privilege and prejudice are reinforced. Don't do that either. http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/

hexenmexen posted:

I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me my whole life. The principles of equality that exist in the US, outside of the slavery and jim crow, that white people also died to change, are bigger than just symbolys to be misinterpreted by reactionary assholes.

And you can't conduct your life in a way some people will be happy with. It's only their interpretation of history, that often doesn't reflect statistical facts that matters.

So if you say slavery was committed by a minority of whites and all societies engaged in it, they say you are uneducated and racist, even though that is factually correct.

If you say racism is not mainstream or that black culture has faults of its own to overcome, it's your fault for being descended from white people that it got way.

There are absolutely racist issues in the US but the way hardcore liberals approach it is counterproductive. They think welfare and laws that favour minorities over whites are the only resolution, and if you question that you are racist for seeing the inherit injustice of laws like that. And how most welfare is just a prolongation of keeping people subservient, and not about giving people skills or a mentality to get out of wherever, black or white.

idiotsavant posted:

Look up tone policing, go read MLK's Birmingham Jail letter, and then realize that literally every single time any form of this discussion comes up; that is a poc expresses an opinion or experience about racism in a way that isn't passive and deferential, they get your exact response over and over. To the point that frankly, it becomes a racist expression of white privilege.

As to your former question: no one is asking you to solve racism. Maybe instead of taking on the entire white man's burden you could shut up, listen, and consider someone else's experience for a minute or two. If you really, REALLY want to be special you could even engage in some self-reflection.

Mulva posted:

Not really, man's a loser. If he was good enough to do the job he would have been good enough to beat Hillary.

Mulva posted:

Not really, man's a loser. If he was good enough to do the job he would have been good enough to beat Hillary.

hexenmexen posted:

I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me my whole life. The principles of equality that exist in the US, outside of the slavery and jim crow, that white people also died to change, are bigger than just symbolys to be misinterpreted by reactionary assholes.

And you can't conduct your life in a way some people will be happy with. It's only their interpretation of history, that often doesn't reflect statistical facts that matters.

So if you say slavery was committed by a minority of whites and all societies engaged in it, they say you are uneducated and racist, even though that is factually correct.

If you say racism is not mainstream or that black culture has faults of its own to overcome, it's your fault for being descended from white people that it got way.

There are absolutely racist issues in the US but the way hardcore liberals approach it is counterproductive. They think welfare and laws that favour minorities over whites are the only resolution, and if you question that you are racist for seeing the inherit injustice of laws like that. And how most welfare is just a prolongation of keeping people subservient, and not about giving people skills or a mentality to get out of wherever, black or white.

Ghetto Prince posted:

poo poo like this is why I have no idea how to brace myself for a Trump presidency.

hexenmexen posted:

I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me my whole life. The principles of equality that exist in the US, outside of the slavery and jim crow, that white people also died to change, are bigger than just symbolys to be misinterpreted by reactionary assholes.

And you can't conduct your life in a way some people will be happy with. It's only their interpretation of history, that often doesn't reflect statistical facts that matters.

So if you say slavery was committed by a minority of whites and all societies engaged in it, they say you are uneducated and racist, even though that is factually correct.

If you say racism is not mainstream or that black culture has faults of its own to overcome, it's your fault for being descended from white people that it got way.

There are absolutely racist issues in the US but the way hardcore liberals approach it is counterproductive. They think welfare and laws that favour minorities over whites are the only resolution, and if you question that you are racist for seeing the inherit injustice of laws like that. And how most welfare is just a prolongation of keeping people subservient, and not about giving people skills or a mentality to get out of wherever, black or white.

Majorian posted:

I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't.

Majorian posted:

I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition like two decades of energetically reaching out to a wide range of core constituencies in your political party and showing some signs of genuinely giving a poo poo, even when you make some mistakes along the way, plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't.

karthun posted:

Sanders also conceded what, 10 states before their primaries?

Ruggan posted:

Okay, that's fair. I understand and can empathize with that perspective. At the same time it leaves me wondering, where do I fit in? How can I conduct my life in a way that is conducive to allowing everyone access to the same liberties that I have? And what can I do within reason that I'm not instantly perceived as part of the problem by association?

I want everyone to be treated equally, and I'm coming into this without all the wounds that many of the other participants in the discussion have. Why does not wanting to be caught in their lashing out make me a problem?


It's just a little sad, you know? Like I'm trying to do my best to reach out, be understanding, express that I'm open to learning. I hope you believe that.

Captain Oblivious posted:

Welfare is a nefarious plot to keep black people dependent on the government for vague and undefined reasons

Unfortunately for our whimsical illuminati overlords their elmer fudd like trap caught single white appalachian moms for the most part. Those wascally wabbits!

Nessus posted:

Christ almighty. The story should be that Bernie had such a good clear message that he did real well even if it wasn't enough to bring the party round him in the end. That's certainly the story Hillary took from it.

Nessus posted:

Christ almighty. The story should be that Bernie had such a good clear message that he did real well even if it wasn't enough to bring the party round him in the end. That's certainly the story Hillary took from it.

ParliamentOfDogs posted:

Hi, I don't know what "welfare" is, how it is administered, who it benefits or anything about it at all really

But let me tell you about how it is the true racism

Majorian posted:

And I think Bernie fans should be proud of it, and I have nothing but contempt for the holdout Bernouts, because holy poo poo, do they need to get their heads out of their asses and onboard with the not-Trump ticket. We're on the same page on this, don't worry.

Nessus posted:

If only Bernie had had three different things been different and wasn't burdened by his saintly nature, then America would be saved!

ParliamentOfDogs posted:

Hi, I don't know what "welfare" is, how it is administered, who it benefits or anything about it at all really

But let me tell you about how it is the true racism

Majorian posted:

Yeah, well, and one of those three different things would have had to have been a decently-run campaign. Those last couple months of Weaver loving everything up publicly were painful.

Majorian posted:

I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't.

Majorian posted:

I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't.

Squeegy posted:

Mittens is just like you and me, except awful

Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:

Obama disagrees.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Charisma crushes everything. Something neither Bernie nor Hilary have.

meristem posted:

Well, having good name recognition is part of being good at the job.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:

Obama disagrees.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Charisma crushes everything. Something neither Bernie nor Hilary have.