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elf help book posted:"imagine if there were PC ports of Wii U games" lol Well... yes? Wii U games, but with better framerates, resolution, and little upgrades to textures and stuff, as opposed to an actual generational leap. In other words, pretty much exactly what a PC port of a console game usually ends up being.
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BreakAtmo posted:Well... yes? Wii U games, but with better framerates, resolution, and little upgrades to textures and stuff, as opposed to an actual generational leap. In other words, pretty much exactly what a PC port of a console game usually ends up being. Where Nintendo is concerned, that's just idle wishing. If you want PC ports, you're better off getting an emulator. Because there is no other alternative.
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Rexroom posted:Where Nintendo is concerned, that's just idle wishing. If you want PC ports, you're better off getting an emulator. Because there is no other alternative. I'm not talking about actual literal PC ports. I'm talking about Switch graphics levels being like: BreakAtmo posted:Wii U games, but with better framerates, resolution, and little upgrades to textures and stuff Think of it as 'the difference between a game's Xbone and PS4 versions' or PS2 vs GameCube instead, if you want, although I think it might be a little more than that. 'Idle wishing' is the people I've seen who actually think the Switch will get direct ports of AAA current-gen-only games, when the RAM situation will probably make that sadly impossible in a lot of cases.
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wicka posted:why is it slow? From the Jetson TX1 dev board: 4 GB LPDDR4 | 25.6 GB/s Xbone: 8GB DDR3 68.3 GB/s PS4: 8GB GDDR5 176 GB/s They might have upgraded the memory controller but I dunno
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:From the Jetson TX1 dev board: 4 GB LPDDR4 | 25.6 GB/s we have no clue what chip it's using beyond "custom tegra"
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:From the Jetson TX1 dev board: 4 GB LPDDR4 | 25.6 GB/s LPDDR is optimized for low power (hence LP), you're not going to see much of a difference between the rumored specs and the end product. Nvidia's delta compression implementation is slightly better than AMD's and 720p target resolution means the memory bandwidth probably won't be a bottleneck. I have to agree with BreakAtmo, it looks like a portable WiiU+ and not a direct PS4/Xbo competitor.
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Oct 31, 2016 12:35
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wicka posted:we have no clue what chip it's using beyond "custom tegra" No clue is a bit much imo That developer board uses the Tegra X1, with 25.6 GB/s bandwidth Last we heard about the Tegra X2, it uses an LPDDR4 128-bit controller with bandwidth of ~ 50 GB/s I'd say we can be reasonably confident that the Switch will use one of these controller because come on
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Arzachel posted:LPDDR is optimized for low power (hence LP), you're not going to see much of a difference between the rumored specs and the end product. Nvidia's delta compression implementation is slightly better than AMD's and 720p target resolution means the memory bandwidth probably won't be a bottleneck. The PS4 and Xbone are much the same thing, the Switch is a very different creature. Thermal design is likely to affect performance more than theoretical bandwidth limits I think, they also need very good dev tools to enable dynamic graphics settings when docked Anyway, aside from the obvious limitations in its design and form factor there are some advantages they can use to speed things up, for instance they don't need to code things to support mechanical HDDs so they could use fast internal storage as virtual RAM if it gets a speedy m.2 bus or something like that But I agree that it'll never compare to the fidelitous ~=nextgen=~ consoles, at least when measured in tris/sec and resolution. When considering which games look better, I'm always more drawn to Nintendo's colorful artistic style than whichever grey corridor nightmare sim has the highest-res textures I also hope that lower cost of development for the Switch will make developers happy and offset some of the concerns about non-4K output or w/e
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What I'm saying is I will buy the Switch in any case so now I'm just focused on justifying that decision to myself and to the internet
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Oct 31, 2016 13:16
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i've read a bunch of leaks from devs suggesting that it's super easy to develop games for switch so i am cautiously optimistic
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Oct 31, 2016 13:24
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:When considering which games look better, I'm always more drawn to Nintendo's colorful artistic style than whichever grey corridor nightmare sim has the highest-res textures 
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Oct 31, 2016 13:30
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:When considering which games look better, I'm always more drawn to Nintendo's colorful artistic style than whichever grey corridor nightmare sim has the highest-res textures the ps3 has no freaking games and their all brown 
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Oct 31, 2016 13:36
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Yeah YCS circa 2007/8 was great
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Oct 31, 2016 13:41
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Happy Halloween, Switch thead!
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Oct 31, 2016 13:48
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oddium posted:the ps3 has no freaking games and their all brown Is that opinion not cool any more?  I wanted to be cool In any case I just began playing PM:TTYD a few days ago (through Dolphin though) and that game is beautiful
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Oct 31, 2016 13:55
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wicka posted:i've read a bunch of leaks from devs suggesting that it's super easy to develop games for switch so i am cautiously optimistic That would be awesome, I'd take some weird and quirky high-quality 3rd party exclusives over AAA ports any day
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Oct 31, 2016 13:57
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Is that opinion not cool any more? The PS3 now has great games like Hatsune Miku Project Diva F and Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 Remix.
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elf help book posted:The PS3 now has great games like Hatsune Miku Project Diva F and Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 Remix.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:That would be awesome, I'd take some weird and quirky high-quality 3rd party exclusives over AAA ports any day it would also be nice if they could at least get EA to port their sports games over, i think that'd sway a good few people
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Oct 31, 2016 14:09
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I broke my PS3 trying to downgrade it Good.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:22
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wicka posted:it would also be nice if they could at least get EA to port their sports games over, i think that'd sway a good few people I hope Nintendo makes a new baseball game.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:22
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I want a nintendo gridiron football game, though it's fairly unlikely. Of the Mario sports variety, not realistic.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:32
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I feel like, despite the lower power, there will be plenty of third party ports. The PS4 Pro and Scorpio aren't supposed to have exclusives, everything has to be scalable and run (to a certain QA standard) on base PS4s/Ones. Given that scalability is a big thing in UE4 and that the competition are mandating it, I feel like popping out one more scaled down port is more likely than with the Wii where you pretty much had to build a seperate thing almost from the ground up.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:42
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I broke my PS3 trying to downgrade it Just buy a PS2, dude.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:53
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in my opinion, basketball is the most fun video game sport. but it's boring to watch otherwise. gridiron, is the opposite
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Oct 31, 2016 15:03
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Are you wanting some kind of old timey football game where the field is still a grid?
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Oct 31, 2016 15:06
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Make a sports game but with Smash characters Nintendo I want to dunk with Lucina
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Oct 31, 2016 15:06
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Will the Switch get Pro Cycling Manager 2017?
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Oct 31, 2016 15:08
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They really should look at negotiating with third parties to use their characters again, there's a reason Soul Calibur II sold the most copies on the GameCube.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Just buy a PS2, dude. It was a phat backwards-compatible ps3 
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TheKingofSprings posted:They really should look at negotiating with third parties to use their characters again, there's a reason Soul Calibur II sold the most copies on the GameCube. Oh poo poo, a Tour de France team with Marco Pantani and Animal Crossing Villager!
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Cojawfee posted:Are you wanting some kind of old timey football game where the field is still a grid? oh sorry here in the states we call yoshi's cookie "gridiron"
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oddium posted:in my opinion, basketball is the most fun video game sport. but it's boring to watch otherwise. gridiron, is the opposite soccer gets my vote. snowboarding also if that counts. oh and volleyball. tennis too
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Oct 31, 2016 15:27
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Sega Soccer Slam 2, make it happen Nintendo
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Cojawfee posted:Are you wanting some kind of old timey football game where the field is still a grid? I wonder if there's a market for like an old-timey sports game. Useless leather football helmets, announcer keeps dropping unintelligible slang from the 40s, lots of vintage product placement in the stadium ads and stuff.
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TheKingofSprings posted:They really should look at negotiating with third parties to use their characters again, there's a reason Soul Calibur II sold the most copies on the GameCube. Sometimes it'd work but then other times it really...wouldn't gel well together.
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no, it was fine.
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Viewtiful Jew posted:Sometimes it'd work but then other times it really...wouldn't gel well together. What's the problem?
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The 3rd party support i want on switch is the support 3ds gets currently of exclusives. I could care less about western aaa games on switch because i can get them for the same price on a platform with more power that i already own. I'm hoping that they can continue to make development of smaller exclusives cost effective for altus, capcom, etc on switch
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wicka posted:we have no clue what chip it's using beyond "custom tegra" Still looking at 50 GB/s at most
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