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FuzzySlippers posted:For the people decrying Hillary for being so violent and militaristic, who is the US president you wished she acted more like? How about John Kerry?
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GarudaPrime posted:I can't really figure out why the Clinton campaign decided to go so hard on linking Trump with Russia all of a sudden. It just seems so ridiculous that Trump is a puppet of Putin, that it feels like wasted opposition.
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boner confessor posted:i agree that elected officials should completely ignore the wishes of their constituents, this is a good idea in a democracy You sir, are an idiot.
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mcmagic posted:You sir, are an idiot. at least i understand how our current governmental system, representative democracy, works, idiot though i may be
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flashman posted:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/ Hm. Gross.
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Ogmius815 posted:Wait we're talking about OBL right? gently caress that guy. I'm glad he's dead and I'm glad Obama and Hillary killed him. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Cite the gloating tia Seriously how are there peoples of D&D not aware of this particular bit of tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y Pictured: Hillary Clinton, laughing, gloating about the death of a man who was sodomized with a bayonet before he was shot several times as he shouted for his life.
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mcmagic posted:How about John Kerry? mcmagic posted:You sir, are an idiot. 
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boner confessor posted:at least i understand how our current governmental system, representative democracy, works, idiot though i may be Why don't we just have people vote on if we should go to war or not and with whom, sounds like a great idea.
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A 'friend' on facebook said this today I would  , but his tears are going to be delicious.
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GarudaPrime posted:I can't really figure out why the Clinton campaign decided to go so hard on linking Trump with Russia for the final stretch. It just seems so ridiculous that Trump is a puppet of Putin, that it feels like wasted opposition. She just launched a new attack ad today about how irresponsible Trump is and how he can't be trusted with nukes.
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mcmagic posted:I think she will be much worse on the Israeli-Palestinian issue than Obama has been. Eh, possibly, but I think the Likud government is showing itself to be so pugnacious and odious that Clinton won't be able to reverse the distancing that's happened between Obama and Bibi.
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FuzzySlippers posted:For the people decrying Hillary for being so violent and militaristic, who is the US president you wished she acted more like?
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Rastor posted:Pictured: Hillary Clinton, laughing, gloating about the death of a man who was sodomized with a bayonet before he was shot several times as he shouted for his life. yeah, well, they sodomized ambassador stevens, so i guess it's even steven 
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mcmagic posted:You sir, are an idiot. your whole argument is made with the benefit of hindsight. perhaps you should lay more blame on the people who provided misleading facts that lead to the war, or you can ignore everything and expect Killery to be omnipotent. you also conveniently ignore the fact that the large majority of people in New York supported the war which she was a senator of.
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FuzzySlippers posted:For the people decrying Hillary for being so violent and militaristic, who is the US president you wished she acted more like? Why is that the question? I'd like her to be her own President. The whole point of criticizing Clinton is that I'd very much like her to be the person I can point towards in the coming decades and say "the next president should be more like her". I think I can do that with respect to domestic policy, I'd like to be able to do it as well with respect to foreign policy.
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FuzzySlippers posted:For the people decrying Hillary for being so violent and militaristic, who is the US president you wished she acted more like? There's a strong case that she's more hawkish than Obama, who himself has been typically centrist-Democrat hawkish. So "Obama" would work. That's a pretty regressive standard though, in general.
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Majorian posted:Eh, possibly, but I think the Likud government is showing itself to be so pugnacious and odious that Clinton won't be able to reverse the distancing that's happened between Obama and Bibi. Why not? She definitely will be able to and I'm sure that is exactly what she's planning.
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Rastor posted:Seriously how are there peoples of D&D not aware of this particular bit of tape Plucky lil Muammar Ghaddafi
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Cingulate posted:Obama? As I said before, best case is that her forign policy will be Obama 2.0, worst case her forign policy will be Bill 2.0. She will absolutely not be Reagan/H.W./W 2.0.
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Agrajag posted:your whole argument is made with the benefit of hindsight. perhaps you should lay more blame on the people who provided misleading facts that lead to the war, or you can ignore everything and expect Killery to be omnipotent. Yes, because NO ONE was against the war the the time. NO ONE. Get lost.
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There's lots of reasons to dislike HRC but as a progressive I literally see no reason to linger on it right now. The primaries are over. I'll build her up to be whatever the hell she needs to be to win the presidency and both houses of congress, after which I will lay into her with whatever righteous fury I have left. Until that time (never), she has my complete support. This is what the former never-Trump people are experiencing right now, albeit on a much more pronounced level. Rodenthar Drothman posted:A 'friend' on facebook said this today Agreed. I don't have too many Trumpkins on FB right now but I'm keeping what little there are for the post-election 'fruede.
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botany posted:Why is that the question? I'd like her to be her own President. The whole point of criticizing Clinton is that I'd very much like her to be the person I can point towards in the coming decades and say "the next president should be more like her". I think I can do that with respect to domestic policy, I'd like to be able to do it as well with respect to foreign policy.
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Fojar38 posted:Plucky lil Muammar Ghaddafi  I'm not crying for a ruthless dictator who killed and tortured countless people.
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boner confessor posted:yeah, well, they sodomized ambassador stevens, so i guess it's even steven Agrajag posted:your whole argument is made with the benefit of hindsight
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highme posted:Sucka Nigga? I don't know if it was a response per se, Q-Tip is featured on Mr. Nigga. They're both based on the sample from Red Clay by Freddie Hubbard. The lyrics are a direct response
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mcmagic posted:Yes, because NO ONE was against the war the the time. NO ONE. Get lost. are you loving brain dead? do you not even realize the mindset back then, especially in New York? I love you beautiful idiots coming in all holier than thou while ignoring the fact that Bush's administration provided false info that led to the war. Killery's vote didn't happen in a loving vacuum. Agrajag fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Didn't Gaddafi literally threaten to go block by block murdering dissidents? Yeah I'm really sorry that guy is dead.
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A Winner is Jew posted:As I said before, best case is that her forign policy will be Obama 2.0, worst case her forign policy will be Bill 2.0. Shillary posted:
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FuzzySlippers posted:For the people decrying Hillary for being so violent and militaristic, who is the US president you wished she acted more like? Truman 
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seiferguy posted:Saturday, I went to the Royal BC Museum in Victoria BC, which has a fantastic First Nations' exhibit. It was equally depressing when they talk about how screwed they were by Europeans. Their seasonal exhibit is about the native languages, of which several are close to becoming extinct because there isn't enough people speaking them anymore I wanted to chime in that this museum is a jewel, such a beautiful facility and location IMO. Also that exhibit is so tremendously huge, and if you like pacific northwest First Nations information, the UBC Museum of Anthropology in Vancouver is a must see also. 
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Cingulate posted:Everyone who was paying attention knew in 2003 that 1. the pretenses for invasion were bullshit, 2. it would be a long, terrible, and bloody conflict and the survivors would not simply decide to become basically Kansas but a bit warmer.  This is so loving wrong. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-the-times-and-iraq.html?_r=0 quote:But we have found a number of instances of coverage that was not as rigorous as it should have been. In some cases, information that was controversial then, and seems questionable now, was insufficiently qualified or allowed to stand unchallenged. Looking back, we wish we had been more aggressive in re-examining the claims as new evidence emerged -- or failed to emerge.
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Cingulate posted:Obama? *casually orders drone strikes town of mostly civilians to hit one dude who we think is there who may have ties to terrorism* Yeah Obama's not exactly so great foreign policy wise either my dude.
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Agrajag posted:your whole argument is made with the benefit of hindsight. perhaps you should lay more blame on the people who provided misleading facts that lead to the war, or you can ignore everything and expect Killery to be omnipotent. I don't particularly care about the Iraq vote; she was just one member of a larger bloc/constituents wanted it. But let's not pretend that W administration propaganda was the only source of information that anybody had about the war. There was a lot of serious, vocal, fact-based opposition to the war, and I think any analytical thinker should have been able to judge they were correct even without the benefit of hindsight. The first Bush term was a really hosed up time, but it's not as if the administration had Stalin-esque control over the information available to the public. People still had a responsibility to judge the administration's evidence critically, and many people failed to. Clinton either bought into Bush's bullshit or went along with it for political expediency. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Cingulate posted:I know, but a better person would. Nah.
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Agrajag posted:are you loving brain dead? do you not even realize the mindset back then, especially in New York? Reminder that Bush absolutely told the nation that there was a connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. To be honest we should have known that was a lie, but it seemed possible.
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Agrajag posted:are you loving brain dead? do you not even realize the mindset back then, especially in New York? I was at a protest, in new york, during the lead up, with a few hundred thousand other people, lots of them new yorkers and we were right. She was wrong.
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HRC didn’t say “the manner in which Gaddafi died was cool and good”.
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A Winner is Jew posted:This is true. Other than a wet dream exactly what are you basing this on?
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Serious question: what would a progressive foreign policy look like and what are (reasonable) steps to getting there? Where can I read about this?
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