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Mraagvpeine posted:What if by "Devil" he means the previous Ghost Rider? Depends on how much they want to borrow from the books. The thing which set Robbie apart from the other Ghost Riders is that he didn't actually have any dealings with Mephisto or any part of Zarathos bound to him. Instead, he was bound to the ghost of an estranged family member who also happened to be a homicidal maniac. Given that the Darkhold storyline has already given us ghosts -- of a sort -- I expect they will borrow more from column B than column A.
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EricFate posted:Depends on how much they want to borrow from the books. The thing which set Robbie apart from the other Ghost Riders is that he didn't actually have any dealings with Mephisto or any part of Zarathos bound to him. Instead, he was bound to the ghost of an estranged family member who also happened to be a homicidal maniac. But wasn't said family member the same uncle that was locked up and, at least seemingly, is much less homicidal in AoS?
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hangedman1984 posted:But wasn't said family member the same uncle that was locked up and, at least seemingly, is much less homicidal in AoS? If there's one thing this show has taught me, it's that there's always one slot on the team available for secretly homicidal psychopaths.
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Can someone remind me how the terrigen crystals got into the ocean in the first place? I think it was Shield's/Daisy's fault, but can't quite focus the memory.
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Gorilla Salad posted:Can someone remind me how the terrigen crystals got into the ocean in the first place? I think it was Shield's/Daisy's fault, but can't quite focus the memory. Jiaying tried to infect everyone using the shield helicarrier it wound up in the ocean.
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I think she brought down planes that were going to spread it through the air and the planes sunk into the ocean.
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Daisy's Mom had a case of terrigen crystals infused with diviner metal she was going to use to kill humans/evolve inhumans, but the case crashed in to the ocean when the RealSHIELD boat was hijacked. The terrigen then leaked from the diviner crystals, contaminating the ecosystem and removing the deadly diviner side effect for non-inhumans. Fish carrying terrigen gases were then processed for fish oil capsules, exposing imbibers to the potentials.
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Balon posted:Fish carrying terrigen gases were then processed for fish oil capsules, exposing imbibers to the potentials. What's funny is in my experience the kinds of people who actually take fish oil pills.. well.. let's just say we should have a lot of super powered senior citizens buzzing around.
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Oct 31, 2016 20:26
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People were getting it from eating fish too, not just the fish oil in particular.
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Javid posted:People were getting it from eating fish too, not just the fish oil in particular. They had at least one episode where they'd show a terrigen husk next to a bottle of fish oil pills and hydra was hoarding the pills if I remember correctly. But I'm sure eating the fish would do it too.
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hangedman1984 posted:But wasn't said family member the same uncle that was locked up and, at least seemingly, is much less homicidal in AoS?
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BrianWilly posted:Imo it's functionally impossible at this point that Uncle Eli isn't the one who ordered the hit on Robbie and Gabe in the first place. Dunno if this had, or will have, anything to do with Robbie's vengeance spirit, but I'm thinking they'll keep the homicidal part of that character.  That didn't occur to me but I bet you're right
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Oct 31, 2016 21:17
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Why would he?
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OB_Juan posted:Why would he? There's no way Eli isn't up to eyeballs with the events around the book. Maybe it was a sacrifice he had to make to get power. Human sacrifice of family members by way of drive by.
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flosofl posted:There's no way Eli isn't up to eyeballs with the events around the book. How did they tie anything about the book to the Fifth Street Locos?
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cjg posted:How did they tie anything about the book to the Fifth Street Locos? I don't think they have? But again, Eli is probably the dude that ordered the hit. So maybe that's all the connection there is.
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I might be misremembering, but wasn't Eli the guy who directed Robbie to all the people he had murdered up to this point? He mentioned that in episode two or something. That combined with the fact that the Loco in prison last week was like "We don't know the VERY MYSTERIOUS BACKSTORY-PERTINENT PERSON who put the hit on you guys, but it wasn't personal," just makes it seem real obvious that, yeah, it's probably Eli. I mean it's not like there are a ton of other suspects.
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BrianWilly posted:I might be misremembering, but wasn't Eli the guy who directed Robbie to all the people he had murdered up to this point? He mentioned that in episode two or something. I do not remember this at all, so I'm gonna have to ask for a direct quote on this one, preferably with a timestamp.
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hangedman1984 posted:But wasn't said family member the same uncle that was locked up and, at least seemingly, is much less homicidal in AoS? I don't remember. Internet says 'Eli Morrow' is the uncle from the books -- and that is indeed who José Zúñiga is billed as playing, so ... maybe?
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BrianWilly posted:I might be misremembering, but wasn't Eli the guy who directed Robbie to all the people he had murdered up to this point? He mentioned that in episode two or something. And the fact that everyone who could name the person who put the hit on them died immediately. And the fact that Eli's pretty cagey around even Robbie. And Robbie's increasing uncertainty about his powers as his world widens beyond "gently caress up dudes who hurt people in the neighborhood" means a hard choice and maybe an internal battle when it's Eli. I mean, we got the setup for it being A Significant Reveal. The most likely suspects are Eli and the Big Bad yet to come, and if it's the Big Bad, why did it bother hiring a small street gang from nearby?
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flosofl posted:But again, Eli is probably the dude that ordered the hit. So maybe that's all the connection there is. Just....because? We'll see, I suppose, but at this point in time, it seems a lot of you are just making poo poo up.
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cjg posted:Just....because? Of course, we are. That's half the fun, and with this show you have a pretty good likelihood of hitting the mark every now and then. But I honestly think Eli is involved with the book deeper than has been revealed.
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flosofl posted:Of course, we are. That's half the fun, and with this show you have a pretty good likelihood of hitting the mark every now and then. But I honestly think Eli is involved with the book deeper than has been revealed. Well, the fact that he is super cagey about the book and beat the poo poo out of the guy who had them use the book and refused to help SHIELD is definitely an "alarms sounding" situation. However, I think the person who ordered the hit on them is going to be someone new and an excuse to bring another C-level (or maybe even B-level!) villain onto the show.
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Ward ordered the hit.
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OB_Juan posted:Why would he? Maybe it had nothing to do with the book and he was just sick of having to provide for these two brats that he never signed up to raise
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cjg posted:Just....because? If you watch enough TV, or read enough books, eventually you start to sense patterns emerging. On the other hand, sometimes Goons look for things that aren't there because they're convinced there has to be a twist. You can see some persistent theories in the Westworld thread, for instance. I mean, we'll see, right?
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I mean there's also the fact that the character is literally evil in the comics, so. Well. He's probably evil here too. Marvel TV isn't like DC TV; if they're villains in the source, they're probably gonna be villains here too.
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pee out my butt posted:Ward ordered the hit. Now I really want to book to inadvertently cause a Ghost Ward to be summoned.
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It's possible that Eli ordered the hit for some kind of sacrifice thing, but I doubt it. The conversation between Robbie that the Loco seemed to me like the hit was ordered because random street violence, then Robbie got his powers and murdered every other 5th street loco, except the one he couldn't get to in prison. Obviously the prison guy didn't know it was Robbie, that's why he was like "then my whole gang got massacred idunno".
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shove me like you do posted:Now I really want to book to inadvertently cause a Ghost Ward to be summoned. Well, we don't have any evidence that the spirit of vengeance inside Robbie isn't Grant Ward.
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pee out my butt posted:Well, we don't have any evidence that the spirit of vengeance inside Robbie isn't Grant Ward. It hasn't been creepy at Daisy.
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It's the dog's spirit, which makes more sense as something that hates evildoers. Or the spirit of May's principle of not sleeping with co-workers.
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homullus posted:And the fact that everyone who could name the person who put the hit on them died immediately. Because Robbie murdered them. At least, that's the implication I got from the prison scene. Robbie asks the boss for answers, the boss says he doesn't have them because somebody has been murdering all the other Fifth Street Locos, and Robbie gives a look like "oh, poo poo, whoops." He doesn't look surprised at all. He looks surprised when he finds out there was a hit put on them, but his look when he finds out all the people with answers are dead is more like  .
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The MSJ posted:Or the spirit of May's principle of not And I think Gabe ordered the hit. If anyone's secretly evil, it's that kid.
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pee out my butt posted:Ward ordered the hit. He's not even alive, he just ordered a random hit on a guy years ago and what's left of HYDRA finally got around to it recently
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Spergatory posted:Because Robbie murdered them. At least, that's the implication I got from the prison scene. Robbie asks the boss for answers, the boss says he doesn't have them because somebody has been murdering all the other Fifth Street Locos, and Robbie gives a look like "oh, poo poo, whoops." He doesn't look surprised at all. He looks surprised when he finds out there was a hit put on them, but his look when he finds out all the people with answers are dead is more like Let's be fair, the Ghost Rider murdered them. Robbie didn't just get powers, he got possessed by something. Chokes McGee posted:He's not even alive, he just ordered a random hit on a guy years ago and what's left of HYDRA finally got around to it recently Do we actually know when it happened? I'm a little sketchy on the timeline. Hopefully, that will be cleared up tonight.
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Spergatory posted:Because Robbie murdered them. At least, that's the implication I got from the prison scene. Robbie asks the boss for answers, the boss says he doesn't have them because somebody has been murdering all the other Fifth Street Locos, and Robbie gives a look like "oh, poo poo, whoops." He doesn't look surprised at all. He looks surprised when he finds out there was a hit put on them, but his look when he finds out all the people with answers are dead is more like I understand why they are dead. The plot is not hard. If you consume a certain amount of media with an eye toward narrative, though, you see patterns emerge. The "we don't know who put the hit on those boys" is Chekov's Gun. Since every firsthand witness is dead, only the person who ordered the hit can reveal it, and will absolutely do so. It could be an unknown mid-boss (but again, if it's some powerful unknown character, why order a hit via a small-town gang? In a world with inhumans on top of regular crime, they don't need a "cover", that character could just murder them), but this show has spent many seasons throwing serious plot punches in place of middling crap like that. Again, the very scene where Robbie finds out it was somebody else who ordered the hit is one with his fight for control. It's going to be replayed when good old Eli gets outed. We've also already seen Eli protest that he's paid the price for what he's done.
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I propose a different compelling narrative to counter your compelling narrative: one of the Darkhold scientists ordered the hit to put pressure on Eli. Good reason to beat someone into a coma, eh?
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This stage of the season--the "let's throw poo poo on the wall and see what sticks" speculation from the thread--is always the best. No sarcasm.
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Heads up peeps: SHIELD is taking a three week (at least!) break off after tonight's episode. Election, loving David Blaine Special, and Dancing With The Stars finale, respectively. That's also nearly the entire November Sweeps period, barring tonight's episode, and a potential episode at the end of November. The likelihood of an even a short season renewal (to round the show out to 100 episodes) is incredibly unlikely. Edit: That last part is my speculation -- from what I understand, reaching 88 episodes (i.e. the end of this season) is enough to reach minimum syndication requirements, though I understand that they'll get considerably more money for selling 100 episodes rather than 88, which makes a final shortened season renewal a possibility -- provided that they don't throw the 18 Agent Carter episodes in to the mix. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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