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Veskit posted:Why do you make stuff up I got beaten about Oldham county, but it's not Louisville it's the county beside it where rich people live. Arus posted:As someone who actually went to public school in Louisville, I say they definitely deserve the praise they received. The quality of education in the state has certainly dropped with the funding cuts over the years which began around the time I hit 10th grade, not because of integration efforts, and to be fair, a lot of families in Kentucky can not afford to send their children to private school. I find reasonably often the quality of my high school education was much better than that of several of my US peers. Again, this is a personal opinion, but I don't feel his praise is at all misplaced. Schools in KY go up and down in quality a lot and I remember even today my step-siblings and parents bitch about busing in Lousiville, but then again I went to Sacred Heart Model and St of X so what do I know.
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Veskit posted:I do, gently caress them. I think the thing is that while that guy was an rear end in a top hat, you're always going to have rear end in a top hat parents who think their special snowflakes deserve only the very best. The failure here was in the court that ruled in his favour - it was their job to say "no, gently caress you and gently caress your kid, this system exists for the greater good", but instead they decided that giving thousands of black kids a chance at a good education just wasn't worth it if one white kid had to settle for second best.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I think the thing is that while that guy was an rear end in a top hat, you're always going to have rear end in a top hat parents who think their special snowflakes deserve only the very best. The failure here was in the court that ruled in his favour - it was their job to say "no, gently caress you and gently caress your kid, this system exists for the greater good", but instead they decided that giving thousands of black kids a chance at a good education just wasn't worth it if one white kid had to settle for second best. That doesn't mean you should excuse the parent because they were "doing the best they could for their kid" and there's a court system that is supposed to protect them. The parent was an rear end in a top hat. That's the point.
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Veskit posted:No offense to you Hawkgirl, clearly, but white people in this thread have been the worst for the past month it's really loving infuriating hence why my typing has been deplorably bad. Why do you have to lump white people together like that, that's racist. 
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IRQ posted:Why do you have to lump white people together like that, that's racist. I pull the bullshit defense black people can't be racist because they aren't in a position of power boooya
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Veskit posted:I pull the bullshit defense black people can't be racist because they aren't in a position of power boooya I white and too deathly afraid of appearing racist to argue that that's bullshit so I think you've won this exchange. Bravo.
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IRQ posted:I white and too deathly afraid of appearing racist to argue that that's bullshit so I think you've won this exchange. Bravo. Omitting or misconjugating the verb "to be," as you've done here by saying "I white and too deathly afraid..." instead of "I am [too] white and deathly afraid...," gives the appearance of mocking the stereotypical speech patterns of African Americans. Hence, your attempt at avoiding the appearance of racism has resulted in you appearing to be racist.
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Haha IRQ now you're a racist and you didn't even want to be This is a true white guilt miracle
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:If you think that's a gut punch wait until you see black kids coming to the same conclusion for the opposite reasons I need some puppy mill videos to lift my mood a bit. 
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I think the thing is that while that guy was an rear end in a top hat, you're always going to have rear end in a top hat parents who think their special snowflakes deserve only the very best. The failure here was in the court that ruled in his favour - it was their job to say "no, gently caress you and gently caress your kid, this system exists for the greater good", but instead they decided that giving thousands of black kids a chance at a good education just wasn't worth it if one white kid had to settle for second best. That argument is one of the most garbage defense of a bunch of entitled shitholes who are directly responsible for the state of the country. That's the problem with America, most people don't want to sacrifice poo poo.
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I think sacrifice certainly depends on the person, but I'd imagine parents aren't keen with the sacrifice being their child, and I don't think that's a race thing. I don't really have a horse for the whole school discussion, I went to a podunk public school that was a bit of everything, and there was a fair share of violence. Really sucked getting hit by mace because the on site police at the school would disperse crowds firing pepper spray in a massive circle and I got hit walking to class Servaetes fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Hawkgirl posted:It's not even just selfish to act this way, it is downright not in their best interest. It's shortsighted as gently caress to go "but my child needs the best opportunities to succeed" when what's really best for your loving kid is for everyone to have a legit loving chance to grow up with good opportunities so that the society your kid lives in is not quite as hosed up and terrible. You gotta teach your kids the valuable life skill of "gently caress you got mine" as early as possible.
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Jamesman posted:I need some puppy mill videos to lift my mood a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXHODqMi2VY My personal favorite are the people who claim she's a Mentalist, and not an educator. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Nov 2, 2016 |
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Hawkgirl posted:It's not even just selfish to act this way, it is downright not in their best interest. It's shortsighted as gently caress to go "but my child needs the best opportunities to succeed" when what's really best for your loving kid is for everyone to have a legit loving chance to grow up with good opportunities so that the society your kid lives in is not quite as hosed up and terrible. Gerrymandering opportunity, if you will
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coyo7e posted:I don't think you understand just how much of our society is entirely based on competitive/masculine/tribalist/whatever systems of merit. I mean I'm not saying there's any defense for it being so - simply that right now it is like that, and that if you want your kid to grow up with the best opportunities, someone else needs to be taken out of the competition. When society has structured itself where all matters have turned into a zero-sum game, a "me vs. the world" mentality is not a surprising result.
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tarlibone posted:Omitting or misconjugating the verb "to be," as you've done here by saying "I white and too deathly afraid..." instead of "I am [too] white and deathly afraid...," gives the appearance of mocking the stereotypical speech patterns of African Americans. Hence, your attempt at avoiding the appearance of racism has resulted in you appearing to be racist. Well, you're right, I guess I need to find a tailor that does klan hoods. What a tragic turn of events this is. But I guess at least this gets me closer to being a wizard, even if it's the goofy hats racist kind. Veskit posted:Haha IRQ now you're a racist and you didn't even want to be I blame society, society and that poo poo mac keyboard I have at work. I am sorry that I have to irrationally hate you now veskit, I thought we were internet buds but alas, my typing skills have outed me.
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Veskit posted:I pull the bullshit defense black people can't be racist because they aren't in a position of power boooya And I don't mean this in a "see blacks can be racist too!!!!!!!!!!!" way, but just personal interest and curiosity.
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What did the word billshit mean in the context of what I was saying
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Also not saying I do but I totally get hating Jews as a black person because that was white privilege amplified times 6 million
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Veskit posted:Also not saying I do but I totally get hating Jews as a black person because that was white privilege amplified times 6 million
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Ausmund posted:So what's it mean when Nazis, who were white, hated jews, who were white. What does that mean for white privilege? Jews got reparations
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It means that even in the absence of black people or those of dissimilar skin tones, we'll always find *someone* to hate and/or consider lesser beings.
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Hitler also gassed quite a bit of non white people so the point is fairly academic
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Veskit posted:Also not saying I do but I totally get hating Jews as a black person because that was white privilege amplified times 6 million Maybe it's because I'm not American and living in the right culture to get this, or maybe I'm just dense but I have no idea what you're on about. What was white privilege times 6 million about Jews? Veskit posted:Hitler also gassed quite a bit of non white people so the point is fairly academic I don't think it does. Just because Hitler hated other people too doesn't mean he didn't hate the Jews. Especially when they were his main focal point despite the existence of Jehovah's Witness, disabled people, Gypsies, ethnic minorities of various kinds and more.
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Luvcow posted:anyone can be racist Debatable depending on your definition just saying
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Veskit posted:Debatable depending on your definition just saying 
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tsob posted:Maybe it's because I'm not American and living in the right culture to get this, or maybe I'm just dense but I have no idea what you're on about. What was white privilege times 6 million about Jews? Don't worry, I can't parse that insanity either. I guess he feels there was something privileged about being a victim of the Holocaust? And that black people can/should be envious of that??
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Luvcow posted:anyone can be racist I hate everyone equally
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Azhais posted:I hate everyone equally That's very admirable of you.
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Veskit posted:Debatable depending on your definition just saying How? What definition would make someone literally incapable of racism? I'm honestly curious to see you make that debate and detail what definition you're suggesting.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It means that even in the absence of black people or those of dissimilar skin tones, we'll always find *someone* to hate and/or consider lesser beings. This. It is, unfortunately, basic human psychology. People form themselves into groups based on *something* then stratify. There's benefit to mixing kids up in school, because race then ceases to be an automatic 'different' factor. I was watching some show one day, I forget what, but there was a murder at a convention being held for midgets. Little people. Whatever the term-du-jour is. One of the little persons who was helping the detective mentioned that there was a pecking order between different types of dwarfism. That's human psychology in a nutshell. Put any four people in a room, and at best, you'll get two pairs eyeing each other warily. More likely, you'll get three people picking on the fourth.
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tsob posted:How? What definition would make someone literally incapable of racism? I'm honestly curious to see you make that debate and detail what definition you're suggesting. I assumed they meant that some people define racism as only coming from people in a position of power. The idea of race itself has no scientific bearing or meaning so different people have different definitions but I would add, and I just assumed we all agree, that among the people who actively study and debate it the definition of racism has nothing to do with power and everything to do with thinking that people of any given race or ethnic grouping are inferior or superior to others. Which means anyone can be racist.
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tsob posted:How? What definition would make someone literally incapable of racism? I'm honestly curious to see you make that debate and detail what definition you're suggesting. There's a lot of extremely sketchy garbage being posted on this page but I will bite on this one. Racism is not the same thing as prejudice. Racism deals with systemic power structures. When you say that "anyone can be racist" you are denying that these systemic power structures exist. That's why it is literally impossible to be "racist" against white people in America. You can be prejudiced, however. That's a totally different concept.
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tsob posted:Maybe it's because I'm not American and living in the right culture to get this, or maybe I'm just dense but I have no idea what you're on about. What was white privilege times 6 million about Jews? I don't know, either, but one thing that always strikes me is that when you try to mention the millions of other civilians who were executed (as opposed to being collateral damage) in WW2, by the Russians, the Japanese, whatever, let alone other genocides, ethnic cleansings, religious cleansings, The Holocaust is somehow different. The video at http://www.fallen.io/ww2/ is illustrative.
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Bass Bottles posted:There's a lot of extremely sketchy garbage being posted on this page but I will bite on this one. rac·ism noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
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Luvcow posted:rac·ism Why do you prefer that definition over mine, which btw I did not come up with myself? Do you not believe in the systematic power structures? You seem pretty passionate about defining racism to allow white people to be victims, and I'm not sure where it's coming from. I guess you could just have a weird pedantic streak and massive emotional investment in the legitimacy of dictionary dot com but it feels like something else is going on here.
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Bass Bottles posted:Why do you prefer that definition over mine, which btw I did not come up with myself? Do you not believe in the systematic power structures? You seem pretty passionate about defining racism to allow white people to be victims, and I'm not sure where it's coming from. I posted the easily found definition from a quick google search, which is also the way it was defined when i studied and debated it in college and wrote papers on. You?
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raditts posted:Don't worry, I can't parse that insanity either. I guess he feels there was something privileged about being a victim of the Holocaust? And that black people can/should be envious of that?? http://rollingout.com/2015/10/07/obama-administration-earmarks-12-million-reparations-holocaust-survivors/ in a nutshell
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