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Realpost, though unrelated to Bill Leak - why is the re(?)instation of the ABCC a bad thing? I assume there was one before - was it floated as an impartial governance/watchdog body but was infact blatantly partisan? Isn't sector oversight important? When the question came up on the pre-election vote compass it sounded like a good idea to me; then I saw which parties agreed with it and felt a bit dirty. Please excuse my crippling naivete/ignorance
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It had the kind of coercive powers you'd expect from a secret police agency, and existed mostly to harass unions. If the government was interested in improving conditions they'd allocate more resources to organisations that already provide oversight in the construction industry. open24hours fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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Nov 4, 2016 01:12
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buildmorefarms posted:Realpost, though unrelated to Bill Leak - why is the re(?)instation of the ABCC a bad thing? I assume there was one before - was it floated as an impartial governance/watchdog body but was infact blatantly partisan? Organisations to investigate corruption are generally a good thing. However consider that it is an authority with secret police level powers targetted solely at unions and the agenda becomes clear. Also last time round IIRC the statistics actually showed workplaces getting more unsafe while it was active.
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Nov 4, 2016 01:16
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buildmorefarms posted:Realpost, though unrelated to Bill Leak - why is the re(?)instation of the ABCC a bad thing? I assume there was one before - was it floated as an impartial governance/watchdog body but was infact blatantly partisan? There was a spike in workplace injury and fatality last time it was around because it exists solely to restrict unions from carrying out their jobs
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Nov 4, 2016 01:22
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Yeah, the ABCC's coercive powers were crazy powerful and they could exercise it without oversight. They could compel people to attend hearings, removed the right to silence and could gag people from even saying whether they had been questioned. It also all but removed the right to entry as uninion officials had to have a permit and give 24 hours notice to enter a workplace.
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Nov 4, 2016 01:29
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Please don't tell me that fat yellow blob in the recent Leak cartoons is meant to be Penny Wong. It's so loving ugly.
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Nov 4, 2016 02:11
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I think it's meant to be Tim Soutphommasane.
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Nov 4, 2016 02:13
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Most of his pre-head injury work was before my time, but has Bill always shaded his cartoons with that loving black crayon poo poo? His portraits might as well be by a completely different artist, whoever painted them had a grasp of colour and how to draw people. Meanwhile, the only way to know that the woman in his recent cartoons is Gillian Triggs is to know about his ongoing beef with the HRC, and if he was trying to make her look outraged rather than like someone walked in on her on the toilet then he's failed miserably. I have no idea why the Australian keeps him around, surely there are plenty of racists in this country that can at least draw a convincing caricature.
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Nov 4, 2016 02:52
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Ten Becquerels posted:I have no idea why the Australian keeps him around, surely there are plenty of racists in this country that can at least draw a convincing caricature.
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Nov 4, 2016 02:55
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queensland in 'does the right thing' shock, finally stops putting 17 year olds in adult prison
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Nov 4, 2016 03:00
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Nov 4, 2016 03:18
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Ah! So they found the people who hosed up the census then.
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Nov 4, 2016 03:20
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open24hours posted:It had the kind of coercive powers you'd expect from a secret police agency, and existed mostly to harass unions. Doesn't the fact that the initial royal commission in 2001 found 26 breaches of criminal law, and now the current royal commission has resulted in people being charged with blackmail and the CFMEU having to pay a $9 million settlement to a company they black banned suggest that there are issues with union power in this country. Consider that the ABCC was supported by Master Builders Australia, it was only the unions that wanted to get rid of it.
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Nov 4, 2016 03:22
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Corruption in unions should be addressed. I'm not convinced the reintroduction of the ABCC is the best, or even a good, way to go about it.
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Nov 4, 2016 03:28
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open24hours posted:Corruption in unions should be addressed. I'm not convinced the reintroduction of the ABCC is the best, or even a good, way to go about it. It's almost like there should be some kind of Federal Independent Commission Against Corruption, an ICAC if you will.
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Nov 4, 2016 03:38
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open24hours posted:Corruption in unions should be addressed. I'm not convinced the reintroduction of the ABCC is the best, or even a good, way to go about it. The Liberals have already done their Royal Commission schtick on the Unions during their first term.
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Nov 4, 2016 03:40
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Doctor Spaceman posted:To sack him would be to admit error though, wouldn't it? True, although at some point people are going to get bored of the poo poo-flinging monkey business and all the opinion pieces on how the poo poo is actually manna from heaven. I hope. (probably not)
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Nov 4, 2016 04:08
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Why would they even want to sack him? He's doing an excellent job of keeping the tyranny of 18c in the news.
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Nov 4, 2016 04:10
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Salted_Pork posted:Doesn't the fact that the initial royal commission in 2001 found 26 breaches of criminal law, and now the current royal commission has resulted in people being charged with blackmail and the CFMEU having to pay a $9 million settlement to a company they black banned suggest that there are issues with union power in this country. Consider that the ABCC was supported by Master Builders Australia, it was only the unions that wanted to get rid of it. You'll find a lot of workers weren't keen on it either. Those same commissions also suggested there's issues on the employer side too? Why weren't the ABCC's own findings into sham contracting and wage issues addressed by the legislators?
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Nov 4, 2016 04:22
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quote:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/04/malcolm-turnbull-gives-his-two-cents-worth-on-future-of-five-cent-coin I hope they shrink the 50c coin too.
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Nov 4, 2016 04:24
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Nibbles! posted:You'll find a lot of workers weren't keen on it either. Those same commissions also suggested there's issues on the employer side too? Why weren't the ABCC's own findings into sham contracting and wage issues addressed by the legislators? I think, "Fair Work Amendment (Protecting Australian Workers) Bill 2016" addresses some of the recommendations from the ABCC about sham contracting. A lot of workers wouldn't be keen on the ABCC because the CFMEU has 400,000 members that like money and job security.
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Nov 4, 2016 04:51
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Cartoon posted:Ah! So they found the people who hosed up the census then. "Round up the usual suspects" and managerial darwinism wins again. open24hours posted:I hope they shrink the 50c coin too. Small change is only for poors. The ABCC thing isn't even about its stated purpose. It's about getting to have it at all. Then it'll be about juicy headlines to blot out any other debate. Then it'll be about Stern Measures and finally On Construction Site Matters. Then it'll get buried in time for the next electoahahahah no I can't keep the farce going.
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Nov 4, 2016 05:10
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Salted_Pork posted:Consider that the ABCC was supported by Master Builders Australia, it was only the unions that wanted to get rid of it. an employer peak body being anti-union? are you sure? that sounds very farfetched 🤔
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Nov 4, 2016 05:15
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Welp another nail in the coffin of manufacturing in Australia (or maybe another shovel of dirt on top of the half-buried coffin is more apt) with GSK announcing that over the next 4 years they will close their Sydney factory where Panadol has been made for 60 years.
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Nov 4, 2016 05:58
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aejix posted:Welp another nail in the coffin of manufacturing in Australia (or maybe another shovel of dirt on top of the half-buried coffin is more apt) with GSK announcing that over the next 4 years they will close their Sydney factory where Panadol has been made for 60 years. I heard they were going to close their Boronia, Victoria factory, but after doing a quick bit of offshoring and found the results to be a bit poo poo, they kept the place open.
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Nov 4, 2016 06:01
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joooooooobs and groooooooowth *rattles chains*
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You Am I posted:I heard they were going to close their Boronia, Victoria factory, but after doing a quick bit of offshoring and found the results to be a bit poo poo, they kept the place open. I believe Boronia is a pharma factory (I.e. more patented products, bigger margins etc) as opposed to ermington which only does products that have generic competitors. As soon as the cost of offshoring the lot to SE Asia outweighed the loss of sales from no longer having "made in Australia" on the Panadol box they were going to pull the plug. Would not want to be in the shoes of the factory workers in there because gooooood loving luck finding more work in Australia. Boronia will go too once the facility starts falling apart and they need major plant/machinery refurbs or replacements. Who knows when that would be though
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G-Spot Run posted:joooooooobs and groooooooowth *rattles chains* 
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Nov 4, 2016 06:18
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I wonder how Turnbull will win the next election if there's a small army of disgruntled manufacturing workers causing poo poo and flipping tables?
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Nov 4, 2016 06:19
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They will blame layba waste and relaxed immigration and win in a landslide
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Nov 4, 2016 06:21
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Union blaming would be a solid angle for them too.
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aejix posted:Welp another nail in the coffin of manufacturing in Australia (or maybe another shovel of dirt on top of the half-buried coffin is more apt) with GSK announcing that over the next 4 years they will close their Sydney factory where Panadol has been made for 60 years. Why is it so drat expensive to manufacture in Australia, is it purely because we insist on paying our workers a living wage, or is there more to it?
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Zenithe posted:Union blaming would be a solid angle for them too. Union blaming is a fairy standard LNP angle to take.
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by the end of this term there won't be anyone working in manufacturing, problem solved
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Nov 4, 2016 06:32
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Because the sun is setting on the British Empire and they can make their drugs elsewhere and pay 10c an hour. Protectionism and Nationalisation is probably the only saviour of manufacturing in Australia. It won't happen though. They'll sell off Auspost to Telstra and give Qantas to Woolworths.
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Nov 4, 2016 06:33
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Salted_Pork posted:Why is it so drat expensive to manufacture in Australia, is it purely because we insist on paying our workers a living wage, or is there more to it? pesky things like safety and paying taxes you can run a business at a profit but the profit isn't big enough and some of it goes to poor people so gently caress that
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Nov 4, 2016 06:34
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~It's Wy-att's Big adventuuuuure~
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Nov 4, 2016 06:36
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That beard would have done Wyatt so much good while in parliament
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thatbastardken posted:pesky things like safety and paying taxes This. While possible here you can make moolah by having it done elsewhere and since that is ultimately the point of business that's exactly what happens. Common good doesn't enter into the equation because accounting doesn't have a code for that on the transaction sheet. Also when your main objective is literally just theft and misuse of taxpayer money through graft, corruption, bribes, kickbacks and nepotism (hi Brandis) then you really don't give a poo poo about who gets hurt or the long term damages. So long as you do ok personally anyway. DancingShade fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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