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Data Graham posted:Heh, Plague Dogs is the only reason I know about Geordies. To my shame. For further anthropological study, see notable UK reality show Geordie Shore. Truly then you shall experience Bij.
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Memory-Alpha (and subsequent Googling) suggest that Geordi La Forge is named after George La Forge, a fan with a disability who regularly attended Trek events until his death in 1975. Not sure where the other stuff comes from.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Yeah this is about as much of a joke as it is. It's a slant reference to Scottie because it's also a name associated with place, in this case Northern England rather than Scotland. But rather than make him an actual Geordie, they made him a blind black guy. "Geordi LaForge" has nothing to do with engineering or Scotty, because he was originally intended to be the Blind Helmsman. It was only later in the show that they moved him to Engineering.
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Nov 3, 2016 14:48
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Astroman posted:"Geordi LaForge" has nothing to do with engineering or Scotty, because he was originally intended to be the Blind Helmsman. It was only later in the show that they moved him to Engineering. Doesn't mean his name wasn't a play on Scotty's though. It's not like I wasn't expecting a bunch of people to explain why I was wrong though, so feel free to disregard if it makes you happier
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QuantaStarFire posted:Memory-Alpha (and subsequent Googling) suggest that Geordi La Forge is named after George La Forge, a fan with a disability who regularly attended Trek events until his death in 1975. Not sure where the other stuff comes from. This is correct. Also, a character named in his honor appeared in one of the early Bantam Trek novels, I think one written by David Gerrold (writer of 'The Trouble With Tribbles' ) ,who met George LaForge several times during the early convention circuit. He also named our Geordi in his honor during the show breaking process of TNG. Sorry folks, it's not an engineering/Scots tribute, just the writers paying homage to a fan.
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Nov 3, 2016 15:40
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I don't see that one would preclude the other though?
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I don't see that one would preclude the other though? Because like I said, Geordi was never intended to be an engineer. He was in the all important Sulu character position. They wanted to concentrate on the bridge crew so they specifically did NOT have a Chief Engineer main character. The engineer was just supposed to be a minor supporting character in the background because in Roddenberry's Brave New World technology is an afterthought, not a story driver. They had like 3 chief engineers in the first season. In the Series Bible written by Roddenberry in 1987 he wasn't even the helmsman--he was an "away mission regular" who was a teacher in the ship's school. He was touted as the "blind helsman" by the first Starlog profile if the show in Feb of 1988.
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Geordi is an interesting character in that he's cool as a side character but every episode focused on him makes him less likeable.
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Astroman posted:Because like I said, Geordi was never intended to be an engineer. He was in the all important Sulu character position. They wanted to concentrate on the bridge crew so they specifically did NOT have a Chief Engineer main character. The engineer was just supposed to be a minor supporting character in the background because in Roddenberry's Brave New World technology is an afterthought, not a story driver. They had like 3 chief engineers in the first season. In the Series Bible written by Roddenberry in 1987 he wasn't even the helmsman--he was an "away mission regular" who was a teacher in the ship's school. He was touted as the "blind helsman" by the first Starlog profile if the show in Feb of 1988. BUT MY PET FAN THEORY
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Pwnstar posted:Geordi is an interesting character in that he's cool as a side character but every episode focused on him makes him less likeable.
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LaForge is indeed pretty on the nose for an engineer. It's cool he was named for a real person though. Trek names in general are interesting because they vary from strongly suggestive (ie Deanna Troi = Diana Troy) to really arbitrary. Like, "Montgomery Scott" is about as subtle as a kick in the head, but why do Kirk, McCoy, and Kyle also have Scottish names? Why does Spock have the same name as a famous child psychologist? What was Roddenberry's deal with all those "k" sounds anyway? Of course, it beats calling the captain "April." It seems like they got a lot lazier with the names later on though. Like, Janeway went from Quebecois to Irish-American, but kept the same Italian-English last name. I mean, it has a nice enough ring to it and certainly Americans have names from all over, but it doesn't tell us much about the character and really just feels sorta generic. Meanwhile, "Tom Paris" sounds like he wandered straight out of a bad spy novel and most of the alien names are just random jumbles of (English) syllables. Also, Chakotay may be a real name somewhere idk, but whole thing where he doesn't have a last name is pretty weird. Even the "Indian" tribes that didn't use two names originally mostly do now and Chakotay never seemed like he was one of those guys that's self-consciously old fashioned. Maybe that planet he was from had some return to tradition thing going on, but that's probably giving the writers too much credit. Meanwhile, the Enterprise names are so boring I can't even keep them straight. I'm awaiting the first Discovery casting announcement with bated breath in part because I think the relative quality of the character names will give us a really good clue if the show is on the right track or not.
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I wanna know how you give someone the name "Crusher" and still retain the ability to look at yourself in the mirror.
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Duckbag posted:I'm awaiting the first Discovery casting announcement with bated breath in part because I think the relative quality of the character names will give us a really good clue if the show is on the right track or not. Chief Engineer Manuél O. Verride.
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Data Graham posted:I wanna know how you give someone the name "Crusher" and still retain the ability to look at yourself in the mirror.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Chief Engineer Manuél O. Verride. I like bringing in Star Wars names into Star Trek. He can enjoy hanging out with Savage Opress.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Chief Engineer Manuél O. Verride. He'd never work.
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Duckbag posted:Trek names in general are interesting because they vary from strongly suggestive (ie Deanna Troi = Diana Troy) to really arbitrary. Like, "Montgomery Scott" is about as subtle as a kick in the head, but why do Kirk, McCoy, and Kyle also have Scottish names? Why does Spock have the same name as a famous child psychologist? What was Roddenberry's deal with all those "k" sounds anyway? Of course, it beats calling the captain "April." As for the Spock names, https://tadleckman.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/the-1966-star-trek-vulcan-proper-names-memos/
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Bob Justman was a genius and the lack of Spunks, Spanks, and Sporks in Star Trek is a tragedy. The Scottish thing is mostly funny because, aside from beloved main character Chief Engineer Argyle, I'm not sure they've had another Scottish name since.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Chief Engineer Manuél O. Verride. That's a great joke if you told it piecemeal over time. Introduce him as Manny Verride. Later on you reveal to the audience that Manny is short for Manuel. A few seasons on, you give him the middle name Oscar, and then let tumblr go crazy.
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Pronounced "ver-ree-day".
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Duckbag posted:The Scottish thing is mostly funny because, aside from beloved main character Chief Engineer Argyle, I'm not sure they've had another Scottish name since. Read the thread title and DINNAE LIGHT THA' CANDLE.
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MorgaineDax posted:Read the thread title and DINNAE LIGHT THA' CANDLE. That episode earned its notoriety but at least it featured a case of reverse weeabooism for a change, i.e. an alien that was gaga for human culture instead of the other way around.
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The_Doctor posted:That's a great joke if you told it piecemeal over time. Introduce him as Manny Verride. Later on you reveal to the audience that Manny is short for Manuel. A few seasons on, you give him the middle name Oscar, and then let tumblr go crazy. It would be Ortega, excuse me. Why do you hate the Black Stars of Zeon?
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Kirk was of course originally going to be PIke. Crusher is one of those Roddenberry "see how clever I am" things--a DOCTOR named CRUSHER, get it?! Like the blind helmsman. He liked to hit people over the head sometimes.
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Been reading The 50 Year Mission, and got to the part about 'The Letter' that Roddenberry wrote to Shatner and Nimoy (and Kelley to a lesser extent) when they were having their big feud about who was the real star of the show. I'd heard of it - I think David Gerrold mentioned it in one of his books - but never read any extracts before, because it had been kept confidential until now. Holy poo poo. Roddenberry didn't hold back, did he? 
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DoctorWhat posted:Pronounced "ver-ree-day". That would be the proper pronunciation in Spanish, yes.
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Pwnstar posted:Geordi is an interesting character in that he's cool as a side character but every episode focused on him makes him less likeable. 
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Duckbag posted:Trek names in general are interesting because they vary from strongly suggestive (ie Deanna Troi = Diana Troy) to really arbitrary. Like, "Montgomery Scott" is about as subtle as a kick in the head, but why do Kirk, McCoy, and Kyle also have Scottish names? Why does Spock have the same name as a famous child psychologist? What was Roddenberry's deal with all those "k" sounds anyway? Of course, it beats calling the captain "April." I was watching the old German show Raumpatrouille last night and weirdly enough the maverick captain on that show also has a Scottish name full of k sounds, Cliff Allister McLane. Stop consonants like that have a kind of dramatic clashing effect which suits bold space rangers pretty well I guess.
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Astroman posted:Kirk was of course originally going to be PIke. umm... maybe my head needs to be hit occasionally as I really don't get this doctor called Crusher thing?
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lordlimpet posted:umm... maybe my head needs to be hit occasionally as I really don't get this doctor called Crusher thing?  Because Picard has a crush on her, duh
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Tunicate posted:
I thought it may have been as much but then thought, this is too obvious. My friend is watching most of Star Trek for the first time, dipping in here and there between looking after his daughter. My friend and I have recommended a random smattering of films and episodes from assorted series but were wondering if watching things in order wasn't particularly available what you'd recommend. I've avoided DS9 because I feel that it requires a bit more engagement than a snatched moment and we've limited ourselves to TOS and TNG. He really enjoyed WoK, Darmok, Taste of Armageddon and even enjoyed the first half of Encounter at Farpoint. Was wondering if you guys recommended anything in particular for this haphazard style of viewing?
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lordlimpet posted:I thought it may have been as much but then thought, this is too obvious. Measure of a Man, Doomsday Machine EDIT: If you mean DS9, though, Duet and the Visitor of course will always be recommended. I always thought that The Jem'Hadar, One Little Ship, To the Death, and the one with the "Sanctuary Districts" were good self-contained episodes "outsiders" could enjoy. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Nov 4, 2016 |
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So the DS9 section I'm on has everyone just going to down with their Rick Berman stories. He wasn't a horrible person to be around, and everyone always keeps sayign "we didn't HATE him or anything", but he was weird and could be incredibly frustrating. Like he drove all the writers loving insane. They were always writing and revising and quite often by a time a script got to Berman it was out of date or they had cut a bunch of scenes. He'd still do incredibly detailed borderline patronizing notes on EVERYTHING. He also would start every single meeting every single time for the entire run of the show by explaining his notation system as if it was the first time anyone had ever seen it. They'd beg him not to, but he just couldn't not explain it every time. Then they'd try to tell him "oh rick don't worry about that scene, it's been cut" and he'd say "no, I want to give you my notes" and he'd waste everyone's time reading his detailed notes (which included spelling and grammar and punctuation) for a scene that had been cut, because he worked hard on his notes and everyone needed to hear them. He also very clearly didn't get the show or like the show and was constantly fighting them over it not being star trek enough. They had to sneak in continuity and minor characters having recurring or bigger roles because if they made it too obvious he'd nix it. He also hated the fans and deemed any call-backs to previous series (let alone episodes of the same show) or general trek lore as "fan service" and would always try to cut it out of scripts. He wasn't all bad, he got them more money when they really needed it and they could often convince him of things or make compromises. For instance they wanted to have way more dominion war episodes, he wanted to have none because war doesnt belong in star trek genes vision!!! So they compromised on a set number. He never thought they were making bad TV and always respected everyone, he just hated that they were not making "proper trek" and saw himself as the guardian that needed to reign in all this terrible stuff like space war and humans with flaws and episodes that reference other episodes and don't hit the reset button at the end. I wonder how much better DS9 could have been without him holding them back.
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Baronjutter posted:I wonder how much better DS9 could have been without him holding them back. I think he was right to an extent. It was probably for the better there be at least one Gene's Vision guy on staff to at least keep it rooted in Star Trekisms, for better and for worse, or else it really could have been any sci-fi show.
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WickedHate posted:I think he was right to an extent. It was probably for the better there be at least one Gene's Vision guy on staff to at least keep it rooted in Star Trekisms, for better and for worse, or else it really could have been any sci-fi show. Also DS9 without an oppositional berman constantly saying no and seemingly missing the point is maybe BSG, which makes DS9's ending look stellar. So maybe he had some sort of positive role.
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Having limits to operate in can make the creative process leaner in many ways. Gotta kill more darlings and keep what's really important.
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MorgaineDax posted:Read the thread title and DINNAE LIGHT THA' CANDLE. I watched this again recently and was reminded that all of that was possible because an alien visited Earth, stumbled across Scotland, decided it was the most perfect thing this side of the galaxy, searched for and found a barren planet, and terraformed (Scotlaformed?) it to make what he thought was the perfect planet. Yeah totally makes sense.
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CharlieWhiskey posted:I watched this again recently and was reminded that all of that was possible because an alien visited Earth, stumbled across Scotland, decided it was the most perfect thing this side of the galaxy, searched for and found a barren planet, and terraformed (Scotlaformed?) it to make what he thought was the perfect planet. Yeah totally makes sense. To be fair humans do that too, why else do you think everyone wants a nice grassy lawn out front?
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