PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

well ain't this some poo poo http://theaimn.com/bob-days-tangled-web/

Terrorgraph posted:

Rockfishing deaths: Government to enforce life jackets after record number of deaths EXCLUSIVE, Lia Harris, The Sunday Telegraph November 6, 2016 12:00am

IT’S the dangerous and deadly pastime that has claimed the lives of 17 people on a small strip of Sydney’s coast in the past decade. Now, after consistent warnings have failed to have any significant effect, the government is moving to force rock fishermen to wear life jackets under a new year-long trial at the city’s eastern beaches. The new rules, to be enforced from next month, will require anyone fishing from rocks at beaches within the Randwick Local Government Area to be wearing approved life jackets. The trial, announced by Emergency Services Minister David Elliott, will affect some of Sydney’s most dangerous beaches for rock fisherman, including Little Bay and Cape banks.

In the past decade, 17 anglers have died after being swept off rocks from Clovelly to La Perouse, making the coastline the nation’s most dangerous. None of the drowned fishermen were wearing life jackets. Rock fisherman Zheng Wang drowned after being swept into the ocean while rock fishing at Little Bay, in Malabar, in 2012, just four months after another angler Myassar Ayoub was killed while fishing on the rocks at Cape Banks, in La Perouse. The new trial will include a 12-month grace period when officers from Randwick Council, the NSW Government and Police will warn fisherman of the new rules before a $100 fine is enforced from December next year. The government will review the trial next year and consider expanding it to other coastal council areas across the state.

It comes after a NSW Coroner last year recommended the move following an inquest into the deaths of nine anglers — the third group inquest on rock fishing deaths in NSW in four years. The 2015 inquest also heard each rock fishing rescue by emergency services cost between $450,000 and $600,000. Rock fisherman Greg Stanworth said he always wore a life jacket to “safe-guard” his own life. “I think (the trial) is a good thing because I do notice some people who go fishing without them,” Mr Stanworth said. “It’s a very important thing because you do get rough waves and if you can’t get out, you’re dead. It’s a very precarious situation. “I think people also need to be educated more.”

Minister Elliott said the legislation, to be introduced to Parliament this week, would allow for other areas across the state to be included following the trial. “Rock fishing is one of Australia’s deadliest pastimes and of the 10 people who died in NSW in 2015/16, not one was wearing a life jacket,” he said. The move was the result of a working group formed earlier this year, which found Randwick to be the most high risk area for drownings. A new campaign targeting “culturally and linguistically diverse communities” will also be launched in conjunction with the legislation and improved warning signs will be installed. The Transport NSW Old4New van will visit popular rock fishing areas, including Coogee Beach, over the summer months offering discounted life jackets.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

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Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has attacked Insiders host Barrie Cassidy, challenging him over comments about Labor's record on treatment of asylum seekers and refugees.

Days after Mr Rudd ripped into Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over the government's proposed lifetime ban on resettled asylum seekers entering Australia on business or tourist visas, the former Hawke government adviser and respected commentator accused Mr Rudd of hypocrisy, because Labor had reinstated harsh offshore processing in the lead up to the 2013 election.

Mr Rudd said he had been moved to make his first significant comments on domestic Australian politics in three years, using an opinion piece for Fairfax Media to argue Mr Turnbull was doing everything he could to appease the "mad right" of the Coalition party room and that his "latest legislative folly should be opposed".

In an angry tweet on Sunday, Mr Rudd labelled Mr Cassidy a "dedicated Shortista, Gillardista" and challenged him to point out any factual errors in the 1200 word opinion piece.

Cartoon posted:

I'll just leave this here

Gorilla Salad posted:

Goddamn, spot the lawyer bullshit.


It's like Mao writing a piece on how terrible Hitler and Stalin were for their death camps.

Then having someone call him out on it given how many of his own people he killed and then having a hissy fit, calling them 'filthy human rights scum' and to 'find a single factual error in his original piece'.

gay picnic defence posted:

Educating people about picking the right weather conditions to go rock fishing would be better imo

If you need a PFD the conditions are not safe and you shouldn't be out there in the first place

NPR Journalizard posted:

Never been rock fishing, huh?

Freak waves can happen on the calmest of oceans, and black rock is slippery even on sunny days.

Always wear a PFD if you are on rocks.

gay picnic defence posted:

All the time actually

For ocean facing ledges if the forecast doesn't show an offshore wind, under 1m of swell and a run out tide I find somewhere else to fish or stay at home. Once there I sit and watch the waves for 15 minutes or so to get a feel for the conditions. I've got neoprene boots with metal stops which hold really well even on slimy rocks

Bay ledges are more forgiving but it pays to know the spot, make sure the place you're fishing doesn't get swamped by big waves and think about how you're actually going to land a fish without joining it for a swim

DancingShade posted:

Just cut to the chase and extend construction site regulations across the entire country at all times as a template for people's safety.

In my dysutopian future nobody is allowed outside their place of residence unless they are wearing one piece high visibility overalls, a choice of mining or motorbike helmet, rubber solved safety boots and non-conductive gloves.
Oh and a [deployed] floatation device.

Yes this will mean you need a permit to go absolutely anywhere. Papers please citizen.

DancingShade posted:

Just cut to the chase and extend construction site regulations across the entire country at all times as a template for people's safety.

In my dysutopian future nobody is allowed outside their place of residence unless they are wearing one piece high visibility overalls, a choice of mining or motorbike helmet, rubber solved safety boots and non-conductive gloves.
Oh and a [deployed] floatation device.

Yes this will mean you need a permit to go absolutely anywhere. Papers please citizen.

NPR Journalizard posted:

My apologies, too used to people not knowing what the gently caress they are talking about.

Now, would you like to distill that knowledge down so that it's easy to impart on the however many different ethnic/racial/social groups that I see regularly rock fishing and then enforce it? And where exactly would you be teaching these fishers? At every single fishing spot round Australia? Or just the main ones?

Or would you rather just say "wear a loving PFD you idiot, it will save your life"

gay picnic defence posted:

Warning signs at dangerous ledges, programs targeting the most at risk groups (seems to mostly be Asians who get killed rock fishing), maybe having a test covering safety (and etiquette!) as part of the process of getting a fishing licence, or promoting PFD use without making them mandatory. In this day and age it's probably easy enough to make a phone app that takes in the weather forecast data and tells you if it's safe to fish a particular spot, as well as prompting people to look for danger signs

I'm not against people wearing PFDs if they think it's necessary, I'd just hate to be forced to wear one every time I hit up a ledge because I know I take enough precautions that it really isn't necessary (plus some of these places are a long walk in and the less gear we have to carry the better)

Doctor Spaceman posted:

https://twitter.com/RossCameron4/status/795205667174772736

Sparticle posted:

Send rock fishers to Nauru. It's the only way we can prevent deaths at sea.

Cartoon posted:

Also I suspect that a white judge's determination of what an indigenous community considers reasonable is likely to be a loving disaster in one way or another.

Synthbuttrange posted:

We should be able to talk about migration without cries of racism

by Amanda Vanstone

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Remember, there's been a law against murder for a very long time and it isn't effective.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Yeah I was wondering that, do they get a member of the affected community to act as an expert witness? Or do they just read it as 'a reasonable person' and not bother with checking whether that conflicts with the experiences of a minority?

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Yeah I was wondering that, do they get a member of the affected community to act as an expert witness? Or do they just read it as 'a reasonable person' and not bother with checking whether that conflicts with the experiences of a minority?

https://theaustralianatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/prior-v-queensland-university-of-technology-ors-no-2-2016-fcca-2853.pdf posted:

To determine whether those words are reasonably likely to exceed the proscription of s.18C(1)(a), it is necessary to consider the perspective of the hypothetical person in the applicant’s position or the group of which the applicant claims is reasonably likely to be offended by those words.

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The importance of the adoption of an appropriate perspective from which to consider the impugned act was emphasised by Barker J in Clarke v Nationwide News (above) at [51] – [52]:

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[51] The “reasonable victim” perspective: When applying the objective test it is, however, necessary to regard the perspective of the hypothetical person or group – sometimes referred to as the “reasonable victim” – who might possibly be offended by an act of the type complained of.

[52] The adoption of such a perspective is important because, if the Court were not to do so there would be a real risk that the standards of some other, different person or group would be adopted without any sensitivity to cultural differences between groups in the community. This point is well made in human rights literature…

iajanus posted:

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Remember, there's been a law against murder for a very long time and it isn't effective.

jesus christ

starkebn posted:

LNP just wants to talk about changing 18c to keep Leyjonhelm on side now that Bob Day is gone. What does Hinch think about it?