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Considering how she was talking to Sam earlier in the issue, I'm sure the last page is going to be undercut next issue with her saying "I was only experimenting with hum-on rituals." Still weird, but I think the point of this series is going to be teen comedy hijinx mixed with overly serious villains acting as social commentary.
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Maybe after the first storyline wraps up I'll finally get my wish of Champions being "New Warriors 2.0". But this opening arc definitely isn't scratching that itch.
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I think I was hoping for something a bit more lighthearted in Champions. You've got an upbeat cast with a strong library of interaction, and healthy amounts of characterization. I think I was more hoping for along the lines of what we see in Ms. Marvel - IE, Canadian, Croc-Wearing Ninja villains, rather than Afterschool Special Bad Guys, and a "You know guys, I learnt something fighting these sex traffickers!" spiel without a hint of self-awareness. Could also just be I'm not the target audience for this comic! Who knows what the kids like now days? Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Nov 6, 2016 |
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Making teen hero teams have the most hosed up and emotionally-scarring adventures imaginable is a longstanding superhero comic tradition, for some reason.
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emotionally scarring adventures are like comic book 101
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Manatee Cannon posted:emotionally scarring adventures are like comic book 101 Indeed. Let's put Storm in a shipping container again or kill Jean Grey/Mary Jane/Lois Lane. That'll sell books and develope characters.
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Lurdiak posted:Making teen hero teams have the most hosed up and emotionally-scarring adventures imaginable is a longstanding superhero comic tradition, for some reason. See the latter half of Johns run on Teen Titans pre and post death of Connor.
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Clawtopsy posted:I think I was hoping for something a bit more lighthearted in Champions. You've got an upbeat cast with a strong library of interaction, and healthy amounts of characterization. I think I was more hoping for along the lines of what we see in Ms. Marvel - IE, Canadian, Croc-Wearing Ninja villains, rather than Afterschool Special Bad Guys, and a "You know guys, I learnt something fighting these sex traffickers!" spiel without a hint of self-awareness. Probably not this bland crap.
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Jiro posted:See the latter half of Johns run on Teen Titans pre and post death of Connor. The entirety of Teen Titans' existence is Exhibit A.
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Metalshark posted:http://www.cbr.com/perlman-explains-how-marvels-gamora-became-a-guardian-of-the-galaxy/ - this sounds like a terrific hook for Gamora's series, and I'm always a big fan of Checchetto's art. Looking forward to this! Thank you for linking to this, I think I'd overlooked this book because it was initially announced so long ago but Perlman's interview plus the preview of Checchetto's art have definitely made this a book I'm going check out when it's released.
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I just finished Vision today. Great ending. What a beautiful and utterly  experience.I'd say I'm excited to see more of Viv, but I flipped through Champions and ... yikes, is all I have to say about that.
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I make bad decisions, so I asked my LCS to add Gamora, Hawkeye, Thanos, Venom, and Doctor Aphra to my pull list. Not sure I'll buy anything else physical.
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Other than Champions, Avengers is the only one I'm going to add to my pull list. I'll probably grab a few of the issue 1s for some stuff, but I doubt i'll be adding much new stuff. Depends heavily on what the other new X-men books are.
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Zdarsky's Starlord is going to be awesome. You heard it here first
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I'm not sure I like Zdarsky's writing enough to go for it just yet. Are there any previews or is that not for a while?
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Roth posted:I'm not sure I like Zdarsky's writing enough to go for it just yet. Are there any previews or is that not for a while? I definitely like Zdarsky's too-self-aware-for-its-own-good style (that's self aware about that too). I'm interested.
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Yeah, the self-awareness is what I'm really tired of in modern Marvel comics, since I feel like it's been done to death already.
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Did they explain somewhere why Hercules is wielding a big laser gun? I doesn't seem like his style at all. Actually, on the cover of Avengers #1, he's got a mace.
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In Abbnett's Hercules run, he became more like a Space Marine. Basically, modern weaponry as well. And no fun allowed.
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I just found out about infamous Iron Man. As I recall, I predicted this face turn roughly when Unthinkable wrapped up and again after Future Foundation. I don't think I've read anything by this writer but he seems to have some chops.
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eatenmyeyes posted:I just found out about infamous Iron Man. As I recall, I predicted this face turn roughly when Unthinkable wrapped up and again after Future Foundation. I don't think I've read anything by this writer but he seems to have some chops. Also have you seriously never heard of Brian Michael Bendis?
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/11/07-2/kodansha-joins-forces-with-marvel-for-manga-award Marvel is teaming up with manga publisher Kodansha to creat the Magazine "Marvel" Manga Award, a challenge that tasks manga artists both amateur and professional to create original stories with the characters from Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy. The winner will receive a 3 million yen ($28.7k) prize and the top entrants will be featured in an issue of Kodansha's Weekly Shonen Magazine in May.
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Edge & Christian posted:Also have you seriously never heard of Brian Michael Bendis?
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Clawtopsy posted:I think I was more hoping for along the lines of what we see in Ms. Marvel - IE, Canadian, Croc-Wearing Ninja villains, rather than Afterschool Special Bad Guys, and a "You know guys, I learnt something fighting these sex traffickers!" spiel without a hint of self-awareness. I want to see more stuff like Kamala having to deal with an army of clone Kamalas. To me that's kind of the whole point of having 'teen' heroes - their problems should still be recognisably adolescent most of the time, just exaggerated to match their powers and world.
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eatenmyeyes posted:I've heard the name, but I don't I immediately associate him with any particular title. I looked at his bibliography and remember reading a bit of Ultimate FF. AKA Goldfish looks like something I'd enjoy. But that's assuming a lot of familiarity with the comics industry I probably shouldn't have assumed. He certainly doesn't have the mainstream name of a Robert Kirkman or whatever. AKA Goldfish/Jinx were really cool at the time, though the art is shaky and I have no idea if the writing holds up. Though if you like it, he's got lots of crime/noir inflected stuff going through his Marvel work over the past fifteen years too.
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I admittedly know nothing about writers or artists. But, one of my favorite things about getting back into monthly comics around Secret Wars last year was finding this thread and reading all the creative talk. It was great getting to put names to moments I remember enjoying or not liking.
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When I was young and into comics for basically the first five years or maybe more, I never knew of any of the creators involved. I just followed the stories and characters I liked. The one exception was Jim Starlin because I liked the Marvel Cosmic stuff so much and just noticed that his name was on a ton of the stuff I loved. Honestly I didn't really know much about who did what until I started reading Wizard Magazine. My first comic shop was more of sports memorabilia and trading card shop that also had comics and my friends that also liked comics were just as clueless as me when it came to creators on things.
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I'm showing how much younger I am than most everybody else, but Geoff Johns was the first name I started repeatedly noticing on the comics I was buying.
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X-O posted:When I was young and into comics for basically the first five years or maybe more, I never knew of any of the creators involved. I just followed the stories and characters I liked. The one exception was Jim Starlin because I liked the Marvel Cosmic stuff so much and just noticed that his name was on a ton of the stuff I loved. Honestly I didn't really know much about who did what until I started reading Wizard Magazine. My first comic shop was more of sports memorabilia and trading card shop that also had comics and my friends that also liked comics were just as clueless as me when it came to creators on things. I started noticing artists long before writers (though Starlin is both so I'm not sure which half of his duties caught your attention more). I'd pick up an issue with such-and-such doing the pencils and be more excited about reading it and then eventually I would notice their style without seeing their name. Of course, having cover artists be different than interior artists always sucked. It felt like it was always the interior artist being a let-down from the cover artist and never the opposite. Never a good surprise.
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Lobok posted:I started noticing artists long before writers (though Starlin is both so I'm not sure which half of his duties caught your attention more). Writing for sure. At the time Ron Lim was doing a lot of the art on that stuff like Infinity Gauntlet and Silver Surfer. I was really young when that stuff came out so I didn't know his name at the time, but because I read those books over and over again for years when I finally got to be like 13 or 14 I took notice of who it was writing the books I liked most. Even then though it was a few more years before I started looking more at writers than anything. Art never really moved me one way or the other even in the art-driven '90s that I grew up in.
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X-O posted:Writing for sure. At the time Ron Lim was doing a lot of the art on that stuff like Infinity Gauntlet and Silver Surfer. I was really young when that stuff came out so I didn't know his name at the time, but because I read those books over and over again for years when I finally got to be like 13 or 14 I took notice of who it was writing the books I liked most. Even then though it was a few more years before I started looking more at writers than anything. Art never really moved me one way or the other even in the art-driven '90s that I grew up in. Ron Lim was actually one of the first comics artist I actually Noticed (tm); I really liked the kind of square-jawed heroism he managed to infuse his characters with, and of course his Thanos looked amazing. But for me it was the writing that caught my attention. I could handle good writing with bad art, but bad writing meant I'd drop a book in a heartbeat even if it looked beautiful.
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Dan Jurgens was probably the first creator who's name really stuck with me. But Jerry Ordway and Roger Stern were right behind him and by the end of my first year of collecting I could name the writer, penciller and inker of all the Superman books. Those were good times.
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I think the first name I remember noticing on comics was Stan Lee but I guess that's cheating.
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Roth posted:I'm showing how much younger I am than most everybody else, but Geoff Johns was the first name I started repeatedly noticing on the comics I was buying. Mine was Peter David, in the period where he was suddenly one of the go-to guys for Spider-Man.
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For me it was Claremont's FF issues that really stuck in my head which is odd because I got into FF at #350, but I liked it enough to start going back and grabbing older issues. Later when I got into X-Men with #1 I noticed Jim Lee as well because I loved the art style. The only other name that I really remember sticking out was Fabian Nicieza, mostly because X-Force #19 was one of my top 5 issues as a kid.
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I don't remember who the first writer I started recognising was but the first artist was definitely Alan Davis, though. The first issue of Avengers I read was a Kurt Busiek issue where the Avengers fight the population of a small town in Greece that have all been turned into Hulks; Alan Davis drew that one and immediately became my favourite. After him it was George Pérez, because they then reprinted JLA/Avengers and the third issue was delayed for ages because Pérez had hurt his hand, so I heard about it that way. Actually, here's fun: the main way to read most of the Marvel comics in the UK (unless you were buying them online or going to Forbidden Planet or wherever) was to buy the "Collector's Edition" magazines published by Panini, which were 76 pages and collected three reprinted issues. The Avengers comics (Avengers United) reprinted JLA/Avengers immediately before they did the Kang Dynasty storyline, but had to skip the third issue when Pérez did himself an injury. Instead, they put the comic out with a reprint of a classic Avengers story replacing JLA/Avengers #3. Can you guess what issue they substituted in?
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Edge & Christian posted:I was just surprised that you'd been following along enough with Fantastic Four to know the major beats of two writers a decade apart, but hadn't heard of Bendis. I'm familiar with those story arcs because they feature Doom. He's one of the few super heroes I find consistently engaging. Absent somebody's recommendation, I tend to pass over most super hero books. In the past two years, aside from a few one-shots and mini-series, the only non-Doom Marvel/DC I can recall reading are the run of She-Hulk written by an attorney, Fraction's Hawkeye, and Batman Odyssey.
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