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Randumb Thots posted:Going back to film scores, my buddy and I were music majors in college and we went to see that awful Troy movie with Brad Pitt. One of the themes was taken note-for-note from a major theme in Shostakovich's fifth symphony. We both recognized it right away and laughed our asses off the rest of the movie at how shameless it was. Everyone else there with us was not so amused. When he wasn't cannibalizing his own work, Horner was basically just ripping off Shostakovich and Prokofiev without any sense of shame. His Clear and Present Danger score is absolutely brazen.
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I've loved Time's Arrow since I first saw it as a kid.  Cool time travel episode IMO.
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Nov 7, 2016 05:41
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You can love something while acknowledging that it is largely crap. How could you like Star Trek of all things and not learn that.
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Do not be tempted to vote for Anton Karidian on Tuesday. Romulan Wikileaks just dropped a bunch of emails and they mention something about a place called "Tarsus IV'.
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I'm running through TNG again and it made me think of the movies and how they almost blew the presentation of the Enterprise-E. First Contact: The E swoops in and saves an entire fleet against the Borg helping them destroy the cube. Then the E destroys a Sphere all on its own and in my opinion it led to a good ST movie. I understand some complaints, but I liked First Contact. I also loved the fact that they made the E a startlingly effective ship against the Borg because it played to the long term plot of Starfleet putting much more resources into weapons and defense in the aftermath of 359. Insurrection: The E goes to the briar patch and almost gets destroyed by 2 ships of a rinky dink race no one has ever heard of and eventually Riker has to suck in gas from the warp nacelles and fart it out back to set it on fire to disable them. Also, the manual steering column? Ugh. Still love the E though. D > E/C > A > Original
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Nov 7, 2016 17:52
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Hello, lesser Star Trek Thread!
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Nov 7, 2016 20:06
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Wait Star Trek is humanist so people don't believe in souls? Has he even watched this show? Timby posted:Heck, Nick Meyer didn't have the money to license his preferred recording of The Planets, so he hired Cliff Eidelman to basically rip it off for Star Trek VI. Hey, it worked for John Williams.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:09
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I'm on the 3rd season of TNG now and I don't remember the show being as touching and sentimental when I was a kid. The episode where Data creates and loses his child is pretty 
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Duckbag posted:Wait Star Trek is humanist so people don't believe in souls? It's not like religion is a hugely outdated concept in the Federation, because(ignoring Kirk's one god line as early installment weirdness) Picard talks about the idea of an afterlife in equal terms at the end of Where Silence Has Lease.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:31
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TOS mentions a god a couple times because if they went on TV in the 60s and said "There is no god," there would be NBC affiliates burning across the nation.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:49
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Given that an entire movie hinged on Vulcans having souls I really have no problem with answering the ~transporter problem~ with "yeah souls are real in Star Trek and they follow the transporter beam, no big deal"
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Nov 7, 2016 20:50
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Given that an entire movie hinged on Vulcans having souls I really have no problem with answering the ~transporter problem~ with "yeah souls are real in Star Trek and they follow the transporter beam, no big deal" And you can clone souls, going by Thomas Riker.
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Nov 7, 2016 20:53
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WickedHate posted:And you can clone souls, going by Thomas Riker. Thomas Riker had no soul only godless science so he became evil QED
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Timby posted:It's usually that they have no idea how to stick the landing. The only Part IIs that are even remotely close to good are, like, Redemption, some of Best of Both Worlds, All Good Things... and Chain of Command. All Good Things isn't a two-parter, it's just a double-length episode, which is probably a huge part of why it works better than most of the two-parters.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:02
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WickedHate posted:And you can clone souls, going by Thomas Riker. It's been a while since I watched that episode but I like my idea that there's a parallel universe where Riker mysteriously and tragically vanished during transport. TOS established (and DS9 confirmed) that certain conditions can cause interdimensional fuckery.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:04
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Alternatively, it's just like the two Kirks from TOS and his soul got split into Romantic Riker and Pervy Riker.Chromatic posted:I'm on the 3rd season of TNG now and I don't remember the show being as touching and sentimental when I was a kid. The episode where Data creates and loses his child is pretty Yeah, TNG Season 3 marks a revolution in Trek writing. It's pretty much the first time the whole ensemble started having consistent personal lives and distinct viewpoints. You can practically see the light bulb above Michael Piller's head light up when he realizes that drama can come from characters as well as space monsters.
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Cojawfee posted:TOS mentions a god a couple times because if they went on TV in the 60s and said "There is no god," there would be NBC affiliates burning across the nation. Hell, he tried to get a ride on the Enterprise once. Kirk wouldn't shut the gently caress up as to "why does god need a starship?" because walking around in space takes its toll after a few millennia!
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Nov 7, 2016 21:19
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Timby posted:When he wasn't cannibalizing his own work, Horner was basically just ripping off Shostakovich and Prokofiev without any sense of shame. His Clear and Present Danger score is absolutely brazen. Misread Horner as Homer and I thought you were making a concise point about the oral poetic tradition and how appropriate it is that Troy would feature recycled elements from older movies just as the Iliad featured recycled elements from older epics.
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Nov 7, 2016 21:57
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:All Good Things isn't a two-parter, it's just a double-length episode, which is probably a huge part of why it works better than most of the two-parters. What, you're not a fan of the Michael "time for a summer vacation, we'll figure out how to break the cliffhanger when we get back" Piller method?
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Nov 7, 2016 21:59
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I thought that was a "I don't work here anymore, good luck" thing.
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The Magicks of Megas-Tu establishes the clear and apparent origin of all Earth religions, save perhaps Buddhism. It was space jerks. Satan is a good guy but he needed Kirk to help him beat the rap. Which he accomplished. Because it's Star Trek. As for the Transporter Beam Thing, I'm gonna be the comic book guy: There is an episode of TNG where we get to have a direct in-camera view of the beaming process, and there is no loss of continuity, although apparently Barclay's screaming neurosis/transporter bug infection (spoilers) extended the period where you're in a shimmering nothingscape. However, considering that Barclay continued having sensory impressions, which were able to form memories and so on, during his transporter experience, he did not get killed and duplicated. QEB.
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Nov 7, 2016 22:56
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Cojawfee posted:I thought that was a "I don't work here anymore, good luck" thing. I thought that was an Enterprise Season 3 finale thing? Here's some Nazi Aliens gl, I'm out.
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Nov 7, 2016 23:20
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So obviously this is a great commerical, except for the awkwardly edited shots of them laughing.
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Nov 8, 2016 02:11
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Me and Pikestaff are now watching Enterprise. We're in season 2. Jesus Christ.
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WickedHate posted:So obviously this is a great commerical, except for the awkwardly edited shots of them laughing. It's great because it's like they were testing out some sort of live test of a new technology when in reality it's a scripted recording.
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Chromatic posted:I'm on the 3rd season of TNG now and I don't remember the show being as touching and sentimental when I was a kid. The episode where Data creates and loses his child is pretty It's also perfect retread of The Child but without the space rape, as well as an appropriate follow-up to Measure of a Man.
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Nov 8, 2016 06:46
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Chain of Command may be the rarest of two-parters, where the second half is much better than the first.
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I've been trying to find a Sci fi show I could get through while doing other work. Voyager us the only trek I haven't seen more then the first episode of. Is it worth working through or should I just be content watching this thread make fun of it?
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After The War posted:It's also perfect retread of The Child but without the space rape, as well as an appropriate follow-up to Measure of a Man. Agreed on both counts. But I wish they'd taken this opportunity to bring back Bruce Maddox; I would much rather have seen him deliver the line at the end about Data performing surgery. Kingtheninja posted:I've been trying to find a Sci fi show I could get through while doing other work. Voyager us the only trek I haven't seen more then the first episode of. Is it worth working through or should I just be content watching this thread make fun of it? Voyager has some good eps in it. It also has a lot of eps that are bad in a very unpleasant manner and totally not worth watching. If you want a highlight of good ones, here's what I'd recommend to get you started: S1 Caretaker Phage Eye of the Needle Emanations Prime Factors State of Flux Heroes and Demons Learning Curve S2 Projections Non Sequitur Cold Fire Maneuvers Prototype Meld Dreadnought Death Wish Lifesigns Deadlock Basics pt. I S3 Basics pt. II Flashback The Swarm False Profits Future's End pt. I Future's End pt. II The Q and the Grey Macrocosm Fair Trade Unity Darkling Before and After Distant Origin Worst Case Scenario Scorpion pt. I Give that a try. They're not all great, but some of them are and the rest are decent-to-good.
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Apollodorus posted:Misread Horner as Homer and I thought you were making a concise point about the oral poetic tradition and how appropriate it is that Troy would feature recycled elements from older movies just as the Iliad featured recycled elements from older epics. Glad it wasn't just me
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Kingtheninja posted:I've been trying to find a Sci fi show I could get through while doing other work. Voyager us the only trek I haven't seen more then the first episode of. Is it worth working through or should I just be content watching this thread make fun of it? We make fun of Voyager because it deserves it, but there are some good episodes and most can be considered "Ehh, I'll watch it if it's on" tier. I say go for it.
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Voyager honestly grew on me as I watched it. It's far from the best Trek series but some of the episodes were pretty fun.
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Maybe with global warming and politics the way it's going Star Trek is going to turn out to have accurately predicted the time frame of WWIII, just the way it predicted iPads.
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On the plus side, maybe this will be incentive for Discovery to be even preachier than usual, since a majority of Americans apparently need to have those messages drilled into their skulls as bluntly as possible.
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Where's that screencap of Bashir asking Sisko what went wrong in the 21st century and Sisko is just sitting there like edit:    
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Nov 9, 2016 10:17
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So when do the Sanctuary Districts open?
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We're one step closer to the post-atomic horror!
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Post-atomic horror for you maybe, I'm signing up for some sweet car upholstery armor and oxy nasal spray
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