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CPColin posted:Hi, everybody. Remember when everyone made fun of Texas for doing the exact same thing in 2012?
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e_angst posted:Remember when everyone made fun of Texas for doing the exact same thing in 2012?
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Nov 9, 2016 08:51
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So, you don't need a condom to make porn, weed is legal, plastic bags are illegal, and death row inmates are slaves. 
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Nov 9, 2016 08:56
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Dead Reckoning posted:death row inmates are slaves And are more likely to get executed due to the shorter appeals process. Hooray! Also, weed is not really legal, since you can be sure that Trump's DEA head will be cracking down even on medical marijuana dispensaries.
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Nov 9, 2016 08:59
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e_angst posted:Remember when everyone made fun of Texas for doing the exact same thing in 2012? Yep. Don't care.
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Nov 9, 2016 09:41
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With all the Hillary toxxers banned and a Trump victory boy howdy is SA going to be insufferable.
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Nov 9, 2016 09:47
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Artificer posted:With all the Hillary toxxers banned and a Trump victory boy howdy is SA going to be insufferable. It could go back to pre-Obama levels of libertarianism.
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Nov 9, 2016 10:25
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Forceholy posted:It could go back to pre-Obama levels of libertarianism. Artificer posted:SA going to be insufferable.
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Nov 9, 2016 10:43
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CPColin posted:Hi, everybody. "Californout" (or "Californiout", not sure if the i syllable is better) is a bit catchier, I think. Anyway, crud, this is disappointing. We did nearly everything right (regressive sin taxes have issues, the death penalty thing is hosed, and the dumb anti-CU thing looks like it's passing), and yet it didn't matter. A CalExit or whatever honestly seems attractive, because our state is vital to propping up this country and yet the country gave us Trump. Artificer posted:With all the Hillary toxxers banned and a Trump victory boy howdy is SA going to be insufferable. Hillary toxxers can get out of it by donating to RAINN, even the perma ones. We'll hopefully not lose too many.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:52
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Ugh, Issa won by just over 4000 votes.
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Nov 9, 2016 15:53
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Holy poo poo Orange County actually went blue. Also thanks again to the IE for voting Clinton as well.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:04
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Can we move our primary to earlier in the year, instead of waiting until loving June?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:15
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Instant Sunrise posted:Can we move our primary to earlier in the year, instead of waiting until loving June? It's cheaper to combine them on one day, and I doubt California is going to be flush enough to justify moving it back.
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Nov 9, 2016 16:21
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California exiting would gently caress the rest of the country over since we're a substantial and reliable block of Democratic votes. Now sweeten the pot and add in Oregon and Washington to make West America, then maybe...
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Nov 9, 2016 16:26
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Does anyone know when I'll be able to smoke that sweet sweet legal weed? Did they outline a timeline or something in the text of 64?
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Nov 9, 2016 16:57
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ComradeCosmobot posted:And are more likely to get executed due to the shorter appeals process. Hooray! I realize there are a lot of terrible feelings and hyperbole going around after the election, but a google search will tell you that Trump really doesn't care that much about recreational marijuana use and has suggested he might reschedule it to Schedule 2 or lower. (http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/11/09/heres-what-a-trump-presidency-means-for-marijuana.aspx) Even if you think that everything he says is a lie, It seems like he'll have so much other poo poo on his plate that going against his platform of deregulation and states rights to stop marijuana use would be very low on his list of priorities. Mechanical Fiend posted:Does anyone know when I'll be able to smoke that sweet sweet legal weed? Did they outline a timeline or something in the text of 64? It's legal right this very moment. The only thing that is going to take a while is getting a business license for selling recreational marijuana which will take until 2018. So if you want to be 100% legal you either have to grow it yourself or a friend with a medical marijuana card has to gift it to you. BattleHamster fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 16:59
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BattleHamster posted:I realize there are a lot of terrible feelings and hyperbole going around after the election, but a google search will tell you that Trump really doesn't care that much about recreational marijuana use and has suggested he might reschedule it to Schedule 2 or lower. It's more that the sort of person President Trump will appoint as head of the DEA and as attorney general is likely to also go after marijuana dealers, regardless of his own personal views on the topic. In fact, we already know how his attorney general feels about medical marijuana.
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With AG Giuliani (or equivalent) at the helm of the DoJ? About when this works:CPColin posted:Hi, everybody.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:06
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GrandpaPants posted:California exiting would gently caress the rest of the country over since we're a substantial and reliable block of Democratic votes. Now sweeten the pot and add in Oregon and Washington to make West America, then maybe... gently caress yes. Just make sure citizenship rules are set up so that I can get back to my home country. As someone born, raised, and has lived most of his life in California, but moved out of state two years ago for a job, that's my only concern.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:13
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Independent California would probably be pretty pro-immigration, at least. Steal workers, professionals and so on from the rest of the country as we go.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:17
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Roland Jones posted:Independent California would probably be pretty pro-immigration, at least. Steal workers, professionals and so on from the rest of the country as we go. I'm sure it would be; however, I wouldn't have to immigrate to my place of birth/lived almost my entire life.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:25
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Yeah something tells me succeeding from the union won't go as smoothly as you guys think.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:26
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e_angst posted:Remember when everyone made fun of Texas for doing the exact same thing in 2012? Of course, but this is different for so many reasons. The first being that Texas actually tried to do this to preserve the institution of slavery, and second because the recent Texas discussion was fueled by racism, the thought that Texas might actually have to help people have healthcare, and let gay people get married. I would argue that it was not made fun of because the idea of separation of a state from the rest of the states was absurd, or funny. Context matters a lot. And let's not forget the governor of Texas calling out the national guard to make sure that a US Army exercise near Fort Hood wasn't a secret invasion by the federal government. FCKGW posted:Yeah something tells me succeeding from the union won't go as smoothly as you guys think. gently caress no. Doing something like that would be a tremendous challenge for everyone in the state and the rest of the country. You're totally right; however, that does not mean that isn't what's best for the people of California, or something not worth doing. It still might be those other things. I don't think so (I've been preaching California secession since 1996 so I am predisposed to think this). It's just that these are totally different arguments. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 17:28
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FCKGW posted:Yeah something tells me succeeding from the union won't go as smoothly as you guys think. Oh, no, it almost definitely wouldn't happen. Legally, it's near-impossible even if we have an overwhelming referendum. It's nice to think about though.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:31
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FCKGW posted:Yeah something tells me succeeding from the union won't go as smoothly as you guys think. It could, especially if Scotland successfully secedes first to show people how modern secession is done. No one wants a war with California, and the Republicans probably want California to secede anyways since it gives them a very solid electoral map even when demographic shifts would otherwise catch up to them.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:32
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Roland Jones posted:Oh, no, it almost definitely wouldn't happen. Legally, it's near-impossible even if we have an overwhelming referendum. It's nice to think about though. Actually, the legality of secession has never been decided. You think, "but the civil war!" However, this didn't actually decide the issue on a legal basis. It decided that particular issue on a military basis. In fact, one of the reasons nobody in the Confederate government or military was ever tried for treason was the fear of what the courts might actually decide... It is also worth pointing out that each of the Confederate states had to re-apply for admission to the Union. That tells you something right there. In any case, this is 2016. Our attitudes in the West (just look at the UK) about self-determination and secession have changed dramatically. Even though I love to see this talked about, I too doubt it would happen; however, if there were really an overwhelming referendum and widespread support for this in California, I really doubt legality will matter much. In other words, nobody is going to invade anyone. This isn't 1860.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:40
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VikingofRock posted:It could, especially if Scotland successfully secedes first to show people how modern secession is done. No one wants a war with California, and the Republicans probably want California to secede anyways since it gives them a very solid electoral map even when demographic shifts would otherwise catch up to them. Only extremely stupid republicans would want to lose California's money, military bases, oil and natural gas production, food production, plus silicon valley and hollywood. So, uh, you may be right, actually. ZombieLenin posted:In other words, nobody is going to invade anyone. This isn't 1860. Agreed, but by the same token, secession talk in CA, which is already wildly unlikely, would probably die down as soon as any hint of a threat was made. There's not much will in the state to secede in the first place; there'd be even less once the difficulty were more clear (serious massive disruption of the economy on every level, decades of negotiation over the minutia, creation of a new national government, etc. etc.) and then if you pile on the talk (and there would be at least talk) of military action to prevent it? Yeah I don't think it's worth discussing much.
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Nov 9, 2016 17:49
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CA is socially pretty tightly interwoven with the rest of the country; secession would be breaking up a lot of families.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:14
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The Aardvark posted:Ugh, Issa won by just over 4000 votes.  On the least important ballot proposition, MAH WEED, I wonder if Trump will go back to having the Justice Department impose Federal drug laws on states with legal marijuana.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:31
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It's kind of amazing that the new leader of the party of states' rights and personal responsibility will more than likely hire an AG to crack down on marijuana use.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:33
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Alec Eiffel posted:It's kind of amazing that the new leader of the party of states' rights and personal responsibility will more than likely hire an AG to crack down on marijuana use. Uh, according to The_Donald, Trump is the only pro-legalization candidate! 
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Nov 9, 2016 18:35
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Alec Eiffel posted:It's kind of amazing that the new leader of the party of states' rights and personal responsibility will more than likely hire an AG to crack down on marijuana use.  if you think the party that has campaigned the hardest for continued social repression is actually about personal responsibility or states rights.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:39
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"States rights" is a code-word that actually means "ban abortion, entrench explicit Christianity in government and schools, oppress minorities, bust unions, ignore the EPA's regulations, finish off those endangered species, defund medical care and food stamps and all other support for the poor, and hand out free guns to everyone (who is white)." It definitely does not mean "stop taking more money from the blue states than they get in federal services, allow blue states to completely ban guns, let blue states create explicit refuges for illegal immigrants, let schools in blue states teach classes in spanish, or allow blue states to legalize and recognize gay marriage." So the red party is about "states rights" but only when they're the states rights that they approve of.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:55
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Trump actually has said he's ok with states legalizing MJ but lol if you think he will say no to the DEA going HAM now.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:56
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ZombieLenin posted:Actually, the legality of secession has never been decided. Yes it has.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:00
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And, no, I don't think another Civil War would be cool. Even in jest. Today's loving bad enough.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:02
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The keyword there is "unliaterally." CA secession would probably not be unilateral, if it happened at all. The constitutional basis for the rest of the country permitting California to secede is unclear, though.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:06
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So we're safe in our ivory tower liberal stronghold, right? The rest of the country is going to burn, but we'll be alright, right? e: Seriously, who went out to vote to ban plastic bags and speed up the death penalty?
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Nov 9, 2016 19:14
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Define "safe." Our state budget is totally reliant on tax incomes that plunge when the economy tanks.
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"Safe" as in we are not going to become second class citizens completely unprotected by the federal government. Everyone's economy is going to be hosed, but we can at least be shielded from the social consequences of the election. e: Also we should not secede from the U.S., Brexit was incredibly dumb and self-sabotaging.
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