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Schizotek posted:There was no massive turn out for Trump you ponce. No one switched sides. There was no mass rejection of skeleton warriors or whatever is going on in your delusional diseased brain. He got less votes than previous republicans by a decent margin. Democrats just sat on their asses because they didn't get their precious weed wizard and are stupid/lazy as gently caress. The actions of populations are the result of those trying to influence those populations. Hillary Clinton could not convince 10 million people to get out of their houses as obama did in 2008, and it is not the fault of those 10 million.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Yeah Clinton didn't lose because her anti-racist messaging was offensive to white working-class people. She lost because working-class people are giving up on the Democratic Party. They also have a great message today. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/trump-victory-clinton-sanders-democratic-party/
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I work at a Korean auto plant. What happens if Trump actually rips up our trade agreements? / can he do that?
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Nov 9, 2016 20:18
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jwang posted:In that case we might as well go full hardcore Asian school system. Regurgitate all the facts at the tests which determine whether you pass or fail! Only rote memorization needed, anything else will be penalized! College men went majority trump
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Nov 9, 2016 20:19
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corn in the bible posted:Also: many people are upset because Clinton's loss means bad changes for them. That's fair and they are right to be upset but I don't think a platform of STATUS QUO has ever been particularly attractive to people not directly benefitting from preserving it.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:19
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Trabisnikof posted:He made a decision that even in ignorance furthers the racist power structures of America. Why shouldn't somebody who is himself in distress vote for his own stomach, if the other party has made little effort to convince him he wouldn't lose even more under them. Voting against one's self interest is a luxury that few can afford, as should be obvious to the people who have spent years railing against income inequality. Obviously Trump won't help them, but Clinton made him look good in comparison.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:20
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Bushiz posted:The actions of populations are the result of those trying to influence those populations. Hillary Clinton could not convince 10 million people to get out of their houses as obama did in 2008, and it is not the fault of those 10 million. Yes. The Democrats have been blaming the voters for their failures since 2000.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:20
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MrSargent posted:Wife's co-worker who is black was taking out the trash late last night. Someone drove by and yelled "Get out of here friend of the family, Trump 2016!" This is an awfully insensitive post to Republicans.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:21
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corn in the bible posted:College men went majority trump This is the one thing I don't understand, I would expect education to temper FYGM. I think the fact it doesn't in its current state means that it doesn't promote critical thinking skills.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:22
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Bhaal posted:I'm not sure if it's posted, this thread is moving a little quickly, but speaking of moving, this is an extremely good twitter thread that is worth your time: This is a good salve for the pain. This isn't over, people.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:23
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corn in the bible posted:If you actually believe that is why the democrats did not turn out... maybe you should have given them their weed wizard? Instead of getting nothing at all? Because the dumb fuckers didn't bother to vote in the primary election either. Hillary won the primaries popular vote by more than 3 million. But the stupid lazy potheads could do nothing but whine about how the election was stolen from them because they were too lazy to get off the couch to actually do anything, and then spent the entire general basically being republicans for all the good they did the election. Berniebros are garbage who hosed over every gay person and minority in the country with their selfishness and apathy.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:23
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greatn posted:I work at a Korean auto plant. What happens if Trump actually rips up our trade agreements? / can he do that? Congress is generally pro-Trade so for all the rhetoric about it NAFTA will stick around. TPP is probably hosed though unless it passes in the lame duck session (and Obama will do everything he can to make that happen because he doesn't have to provide cover for Clinton anymore)
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Nov 9, 2016 20:23
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Trump's voting base being ok with the outright misogyny is more surprising to me than the racism stuff. Like it's loving wild to me how many women still voted for Trump.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:24
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SoggyBobcat posted:I don't know, old white people seem pretty fired up about it. Reversing civil reforms is not preserving the status quo. If you think it is you don't understand anything about this
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Nov 9, 2016 20:24
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I'm just waiting for the media to start telling us that the nominee with the fewest votes out of any candidate in the past 3 elections has a mandate.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:25
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The Republicans are bad because they are all racist The Democrats are all bad because they are all shiftless bums Only I'm an airplane, and Hillary is infallible
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Nov 9, 2016 20:26
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Party Plane Jones posted:This one I don't see happening unless we get a Constitutional Amendment, which really would drive Democratic voting through the roof. No it won't, but it will definitely drive civil unrest through the roof, which I expect something on the level of Kent State if not eclipsing it in the next year.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:25
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pacerhimself posted:I'm just waiting for the media to start telling us that the nominee with the fewest votes out of any candidate in the past 3 elections has a mandate. He has a mandate that he can't possibly achieve so look forward to meltdowns when the wall is never built
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Nov 9, 2016 20:25
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Fojar38 posted:He has a mandate that he can't possibly achieve so look forward to meltdowns when the wall is never built
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Nov 9, 2016 20:26
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pacerhimself posted:I'm just waiting for the media to start telling us that the nominee with the fewest votes out of any candidate in the past 3 elections has a mandate. I'm praying they'll finally wake up and do their loving jobs for once.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:26
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Main Paineframe posted:"Evils of the uneducated"? I'm not saying "uneducated white males" because I'm trying to create some boogeyman or something, I'm saying it because the people I'm responding to are saying that uneducated white males are a uniquely important demographic whose feelings are worth more than the well-being of women, black people, Hispanic people of all kinds and origins, Muslims, Jews, LGBT people, more. But what some people are saying about needing to drop the racial identity politics, focus much much more on class, seems like it's effectively telling minorities 'sure, white-dominated society institutionally discriminates against you and throws obstacle after obstacle in the path to equality. and sure, you've turned out for us these past few years because we've promised to try and fix things. well, sorry, but it turns out that taking some baby steps in that direction really alienated white people, so we're gonna put your issues on the back burner for a bit while we focus on what matters to them. you're ok with that, right? I mean, it's not like you'll vote for the other side - they'll do nothing for you!'. Which seems: a) a real lovely thing to do. b) likely to swing the pendulum the other way, so that any gain in white vote prised from the new populist right is countered by depressed minority turnout.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:27
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steinrokkan posted:Voting against one's self interest is a luxury that few can afford, as should be obvious to the people who have spent years railing against income inequality. Not sure if you've noticed but millions and millions of people do this every election. It's most certainly obvious but the GOP is really, really good at convincing people to ignore that by convincing them that the lovely life they have is because of the government and they'll be the ones to fix it. Those voters don't want minorities or other people to get benefits and services (health care, education, etc) because they don't get them or feel stiffed by the system.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:28
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chumbler posted:I'm praying they'll finally wake up and do their loving jobs for once.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:28
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https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/796384207631159297 This is the moment of truth. We have to confront this reality.
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Apraxin posted:Which seems: From a pure math perspective if you steal more than half as many whites from republicans as you lose minorities that's still a net gain.
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Schizotek posted:Because the dumb fuckers didn't bother to vote in the primary election either. Hillary won the primaries popular vote by more than 3 million. But the stupid lazy potheads could do nothing but whine about how the election was stolen from them because they were too lazy to get off the couch to actually do anything, and then spent the entire general basically being republicans for all the good they did the election. Berniebros are garbage who hosed over every gay person and minority in the country with their selfishness and apathy. I'm not owned! I'm not owned!
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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mintskoal posted:Not sure if you've noticed but millions and millions of people do this every election. It's most certainly obvious but the GOP is really, really good at convincing people to ignore that by convincing them that the lovely life they have is because of the government and they'll be the ones to fix it. Those voters don't want minorities or other people to get benefits and services (health care, education, etc) because they don't get them or feel stiffed by the system. They vote for what they believe to be in their own interest, because the opposing party hasn't come up with an effective debunking yet, somehow.
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Frankly, I don't think assigning guilt on one person or group is at all helpful, because EVERYONE deserves some level of blame for this. Clinton and her campaign, Bernie, Obama, the D.N.C., Dem voters who didn't show up or decided this was the election for a protest vote. I hope there's a lot of introspection about personal failures right now. But really, I just hope Democrats can rally and regroup and present a united front against Trump and the Republicans, and not eat each other. 
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DeusExMachinima posted:I'm not owned! I'm not owned! I literally woke up as a corncob this morning
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SoggyBobcat posted:Frankly, I don't think assigning guilt on one person or group is at all helpful, because EVERYONE deserves some level of blame for this. Clinton and her campaign, Bernie, Obama, the D.N.C., Dem voters who didn't show up or decided this was the election for a protest vote. I hope there's a lot of introspection about personal failures right now. I agree, pointing fingers isn't helpful. Trump won this election, and nothing is going to change that, but that doesn't mean that it's over.
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corn in the bible posted:Also: many people are upset because Clinton's loss means bad changes for them. That's fair and they are right to be upset but I don't think a platform of STATUS QUO has ever been particularly attractive to people not directly benefitting from preserving it. This is going to be the Kyconnect thing all over again, where a bunch of voters made a dumb choice because they were indefinably angry and over the next few years they'll act shocked when the horrible consequences of their actions come due.
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I was kind of upset watching the news this morning but as the day goes on... I kind of want to see where this is headed. My currency is pegged to the USD anyway so we're all riding this toboggan together
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chumbler posted:I'm praying they'll finally wake up and do their loving jobs for once. I'd like to believe that the media will go hard on Trump's administration simply because the story is juicier, but lol who knows
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So - before we're done with trump, how many GOP voters will die of opioid abuse? Because there's a big fat zero chance of him doing anything about it that's not Lawn Order. It's going to get so much better as the jobs continue to not come back to the Midwest, because desperate depressed people with no hope never turn to substance abuse.
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Skippy Granola posted:I was kind of upset watching the news this morning but as the day goes on... Markets have actually been fine since the shock of the upset wore off. Prison and Drug stocks are way up obviously
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SoggyBobcat posted:Frankly, I don't think assigning guilt on one person or group is at all helpful, because EVERYONE deserves some level of blame for this. Clinton and her campaign, Bernie, Obama, the D.N.C., Dem voters who didn't show up or decided this was the election for a protest vote. I hope there's a lot of introspection about personal failures right now. I have a dream that both parties will crumble into dust and we can reform our entire political process from scratch with more than two functional parties, but much like MLK, it will never come to pass.
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Crowsbeak posted:They also have a great message today. I thought both of these articles are good. I think I need to tune up my hypothesis of the post mortem to more closely align with them. But we shall see in the coming months. If republicans become the labor party that would be hilarious.
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Some left-wing grassroots movements in the vein of the Tea Party for 2018 would be really good.
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Torpor posted:ITT a lot of people claiming to want to fight bigotry and prejudice complaining about "the whites". Trabisnikof posted:Because when someone says "oh well, I just don't consider how the candidate will impact minorities in my voting calculus" that's a decision that further supports racism. chumbler posted:If you are okay with voting in a racist and misogynist piece of poo poo, let alone all the million other reasons he should not be voted for, you are a racist and misogynist piece of poo poo. Main Paineframe posted:Voting for him in spite of that racism means that the person felt the racism was not a good enough reason to vote against him. Main Paineframe posted:What if this election was David Duke vs Hillary Clinton? Would they swallow your hatred and vote for an open racist, a literal goddamn publicly known KKK member and self-identified white nationalist, because they thought his economic rhetoric was better and that Hillary supporters were too "elitist" toward white people? If so, then I feel quite comfortable calling that person racist, because even if they weren't voting for Trump because of his racism, they at least felt like they could tolerate voting for a racist, and that their own white person issues were more important than equal rights for women and racial minorities. FourLeaf posted:https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/796384207631159297 This is the moment of truth. We have to confront this reality. e: steinrokkan posted:People are antagonized by the message "You are bigoted, because I say so, and I'm smarter than you. Also I'm not going to listen to what you are going to say in response, so don't even bother."
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corn in the bible posted:Reversing civil reforms is not preserving the status quo. If you think it is you don't understand anything about this
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